Casey Anthony trial

[bluebyrd35]

I see statements like the above often, always presented in the rhetorical. What is the answer?

It seems to me that, statistically speaking, the answer is a very, very small number, and getting smaller by the day since DNAevidence was introduced in the mid-90s. How many people have been unjustly convicted since the use of DNA in trials? How many guilty have walked free?

lis

Well, there are many persons languishing in jail that cannot get anyone to hear them. How many cases do not have DNA done because the scene was not treated properly at the time, or the prisoner cannot get anyone to listen??

Here are statements that aren't rhetorical. Former death row Illinois inmates (9) in number were found NOT GUILTY in the 10 years since the death penality was reinstituted. Together those freed spent 52 years on death row and another 36 in county jails. During that same period the state executed 7. It took the intervention of people completely outside of the justice system to win back the freedom of 8 of the 9.

To say the Justice System failed miserably is rather an understatement wouldn't you say? More than half of those sitting death row were NOT GUILTY. One wonders if the 7 executed could not interest anyone on the outside to go to bat for them, or if there was no DNA or they had rotten representation. I imagine very few of the guilty walked free unless they had a "dream team" The question is how many innocents have been unjustly convicted?? Remember there is sometimes no DNA, or the scene was contaminated, or they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Rather astounding that at least 9 out of 16 were found innocent & released. 37% only received some form of compensation. It is said it is not the mistakes that are made in the justice system that makes it reasonably but the zeal with which it corrects those mistakes.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I have trouble understanding such bloodthirstiness. No wonder we have such a screwed up world.

Me too. That blood thirst is equivelent to the lynch mob mentality. IF the mob in the US had a chance......she would have been strung up and burned like a witch of yore..........while torch carrying audience would be cheering like the barbarians they are.

Nancy Grace would be leading the pack. She is an example of the kind of talking head that influences the highly influenced into a frenzy and you get what we are seeing. Forget anything civilized................like the legal system that was devised that way to make sure that not guilty are not found guilty and wrongfully imprisoned.

For once the system worked as it should. Sure the jurors felt upset about having to render that verdict.....but they did NOT allow their personal emotions to influence the evidence (or lack of) . IF anything......... the US should be proud that their system works.

Mind you ....... Casey is already negotiating megabuck deals. so the american way is alive and well.

NO ONE .....to my knowledge or observation has said anything about her having FUTURE CHILDREN. And what might happen in that event. Again............all they care about is immediate REVENGE...........not justice. The lack of forethought and further potential issues just escapes these vigilantes.

sorry, but that makes the society very very sick.

In the UNITED STATES , Your guilty til proven innocent!
It amazing that anyone is ever found innocent in our court system!
Everything is stacked against you here!
Also the news appears to be against most all people! Most of our news is for the democrats Always!



there is a LOT of truth in that. Just look at how this most recent case went and how the media had her convicted, how the public had her convicted.......

This does not only apply to hi profile cases. IF it were remotely legal.........the US would bring back lynching justice quicker than you can say guilty. Mind you many gun toting idiots take justice into their own hands as it is.

Those that deny any of the above live in the fabricated world of myth about the US.

 

[karrie]

She never proved herself innocent, they simply were unable to prove her guilty, so the blathering on about how you're guilty until proven otherwise is obviously dead wrong.

 

[ironsides]

Good reply Karrie.


lThe Casey Anthony trial is over and those who continue to bash the U.S. legal system have no idea what they are talking about. Have fun.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Good reply Karrie.


lThe Casey Anthony trial is over and those who continue to bash the U.S. legal system have no idea what they are talking about. Have fun.

"She never proved herself innocent,'


It is NOT up to her to prove herself innocent. She is innocent until proven guilty. Iron: if you can say that with a straight face.....it is hilarious. She was convicted by the public and the media long before the jury did their job. The system itself is pretty good. and THIS TIME IT WORKED VERY WELL. But the ATTITUDE of the population can definately be " guilty until proven innocent"

You going to tell us that the mob reaction has true justice in mind or vengence/ and revenge. ??

 

[EagleSmack]

This does not only apply to hi profile cases. IF it were remotely legal.........the US would bring back lynching justice quicker than you can say guilty. Mind you many gun toting idiots take justice into their own hands as it is.

Those that deny any of the above live in the fabricated world of myth about the US.

This is about the Casey Anthony Trial... stay on topic.

How's that?

 

[YukonJack]

Ocean Breeze a habitual and incorrigible Yankee-hater like you would complain just as loudly if the jury verdict had been GUILTY.

 

[Ariadne]

lis

Well, there are many persons languishing in jail that cannot get anyone to hear them. How many cases do not have DNA done because the scene was not treated properly at the time, or the prisoner cannot get anyone to listen??

Here are statements that aren't rhetorical. Former death row Illinois inmates (9) in number were found NOT GUILTY in the 10 years since the death penality was reinstituted. Together those freed spent 52 years on death row and another 36 in county jails. During that same period the state executed 7. It took the intervention of people completely outside of the justice system to win back the freedom of 8 of the 9.

To say the Justice System failed miserably is rather an understatement wouldn't you say? More than half of those sitting death row were NOT GUILTY. One wonders if the 7 executed could not interest anyone on the outside to go to bat for them, or if there was no DNA or they had rotten representation. I imagine very few of the guilty walked free unless they had a "dream team" The question is how many innocents have been unjustly convicted?? Remember there is sometimes no DNA, or the scene was contaminated, or they were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Rather astounding that at least 9 out of 16 were found innocent & released. 37% only received some form of compensation. It is said it is not the mistakes that are made in the justice system that makes it reasonably but the zeal with which it corrects those mistakes.

The primary reason for false conviction is eye witness testimony.

If there was a high number of false convictions post Guy Paul Morin (the big eye opener for investigators and prosecutors regarding tunnel vision) and post-1995 use of DNA, then I would be very surprised. If the convictions were eye witness based and pre-DNA, then I'm not surprised. Post DNA and pre-DNA are entirely different situations, but pre-DNA false convictions are held up as a reason to doubt legal arguments today, and I think they shouldn't be. I'm very interested in national statistics regarding false convictions after DNA was introduced to legal arguments. Long ago cases have no real bearing on today's cases due to the leaps in forensic analysis.

"She never proved herself innocent,'


It is NOT up to her to prove herself innocent. She is innocent until proven guilty. Iron: if you can say that with a straight face.....it is hilarious. She was convicted by the public and the media long before the jury did their job. The system itself is pretty good. and THIS TIME IT WORKED VERY WELL. But the ATTITUDE of the population can definately be " guilty until proven innocent"

You going to tell us that the mob reaction has true justice in mind or vengence/ and revenge. ??

The one juror we've heard from said that they do not believe that she is innocent. What she said is that they couldn't figure out how she died, so they couldn't determine a punishment. As Kreskin pointed out, no one knows how Laci Peterson died, but that did not interfere with the jury's ability to evaluate the circumstantial evidence and conclude that her husband is guilty. I think the jury in the Antony case was confused about the instructions. I think the woman also said something about all the evidence being circumstantial ... which tells us that this jury has watched too much CSI and doesn't understand the ligitimacy of circumstantial evidence.

 

[Nuggler]

Did they do away with the "faint hope" clause? It used to be if you were a very good boy in jail, there was a slim chance you could get out after 15 years. I kind of thought it was a good clause for cases that are an exception to the rule (like maybe the guy who killed a politician after being lied to one too many times) :lol:

Not sure, JLM; ain't gonna check, cause i don't care. That is to say, the faint hope clause only gives useless bureaucrats somewhere to spend their time, and mess with the minds of victim's families. It should be abolished.

Think it was put in place so a "life man walking" would not totally believe that he'd hit the wall, and there was no hope, so he could kill guards and inmates alike with no further penalty.


Woops............ Actually, come to think of it, kinda like it now. Give the dirty murdering, raping, bastards some hope, then pull the rug...............gotta love it, eh. Give them all the faint hope they gave their victims.

Wat ya think???:evil1:

 

[YukonJack]

Not sure, JLM; ain't gonna check, cause i don't care. That is to say, the faint hope clause only gives useless bureaucrats somewhere to spend their time, and mess with the minds of victim's families. It should be abolished.

Think it was put in place so a "life man walking" would not totally believe that he'd hit the wall, and there was no hope, so he could kill guards and inmates alike with no further penalty.


Woops............ Actually, come to think of it, kinda like it now. Give the dirty murdering, raping, bastards some hope, then pull the rug...............gotta love it, eh. Give them all the faint hope they gave their victims.

Wat ya think???:evil1:

What do I think? I think that you are a complete, total and uninformed idiot.

And sadistic, as well.

 

[cranky]

you should take out the word idiot so it isn't a personal attack.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

"She never proved herself innocent,'

It is NOT up to her to prove herself innocent. She is innocent until proven guilty. Iron: if you can say that with a straight face.....it is hilarious. She was convicted by the public and the media long before the jury did their job. The system itself is pretty good. and THIS TIME IT WORKED VERY WELL. But the ATTITUDE of the population can definately be " guilty until proven innocent"

You going to tell us that the mob reaction has true justice in mind or vengence/ and revenge. ??

They (the public) are not the justice system and that is why jury's are sequestered. The public did not try Casey Anthony, the justice system did and the onus was upon them to prove her guilty and they were unable to do just that. So whatever the Nancy Graces say, or the Jones' say is irelevant. Casey Anthony received a fair and impartial trial with the presumption of innocence.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

What is interesting here too..........is the notable lack of "opinion", "commentary" etc etc..... about any future children she might have.

THAT should be a concern given all that has transpired re: her wreckless parenting skills. , potential neglect due to a lifestyle preference.

They (the public) are not the justice system and that is why jury's are sequestered. The public did not try Casey Anthony, the justice system did and the onus was upon them to prove her guilty and they were unable to do just that. So whatever the Nancy Graces say, or the Jones' say is irelevant. Casey Anthony received a fair and impartial trial with the presumption of innocence.

all true. It does make one wonder why the wall to wall coverage of the case if there was not some intent to influence......as opposed to inform the public.

either way, interesting dynamic of the culture itself. Now she is speaking of herself as a celeb. Yet , she is not saying how relieved she is to be found not guilty for a crime she did not commit. and thanking the justice system. for helping her regain her freedom.

She is probably sociopathic .....at the least......and it makes one wonder just what goes on in her mind and motives.

 

[Ariadne]

I seem to recall that the faint hope clause is gone.

What is interesting here too..........is the notable lack of "opinion", "commentary" etc etc..... about any future children she might have.

THAT should be a concern given all that has transpired re: her wreckless parenting skills. , potential neglect due to a lifestyle preference.




all true. It does make one wonder why the wall to wall coverage of the case if there was not some intent to influence......as opposed to inform the public.

either way, interesting dynamic of the culture itself. Now she is speaking of herself as a celeb. Yet , she is not saying how relieved she is to be found not guilty for a crime she did not commit. and thanking the justice system. for helping her regain her freedom.

She is probably sociopathic .....at the least......and it makes one wonder just what goes on in her mind and motives.

She is talking about having more children, but I don't think she should be the primary custodian of any child for the remainder of her life ... any child raised by her will be as messed up as she is.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

I seem to recall that the faint hope clause is gone.



She is talking about having more children, but I don't think she should be the primary custodian of any child for the remainder of her life ... any child raised by her will be as messed up as she is.

and that does not cover the hi RISK (life and death........due to either accident or homicide) factor. It is this that I am thinking about.

about messed up..........from what I have seen of Caylee on the tv , the adorable little girl seemed very well adjusted and showing development on par with her age. That was probably due to the caring her grandparents gave her. They seemed to be the constant in her life.

Hope some agency is paying attention to her talk of having more kids. At least the Octomom was not charged with any homicide of any of her brood.

 

[YukonJack]

If Casey Anthony had aborted her unborn baby, she would be a heroine.

 

[Mowich]

Watched Primetime Nightline last night as they had an interview with one of the jurors, the prosecutor and the defense attorney. I found what Jose Baez had to say very interesting. He unequivocally stated that Caylee accidentally drowned in the family pool. However, he was unable to say where the body was during the 31 days before it was found. He also stated that during that time period when Casey was seen to be out partying and having a grand old time, it was simply her way of dealing with grief. And, he absolutely believes that George did indeed molest Casey, in spite of the fact that not one shred of evidence pointed to any such thing.
I thought the juror - #3 I think she was - was very well spoken and clearly understood the task before her and made her decision based on the law and the law only.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

If Casey Anthony had aborted her unborn baby, she would be a heroine.

Don't think so. First , it would have had to be a public event. for the media to sensationalze it. Second.......the religeous fanatics would have condemned her for murdering her unborn child. We should know by now what happens to abortion clinics in the US.

Just heard that there is concern for her safety when she is released in the next few days. Gee, that was a no brainer.....and has been mentioned here some time ago. That should make her feel even more like a celeb. Suspect that risky behavior and the thrill of it is not new to her anyhow.

Watched Primetime Nightline last night as they had an interview with one of the jurors, the prosecutor and the defense attorney. I found what Jose Baez had to say very interesting. He unequivocally stated that Caylee accidentally drowned in the family pool. However, he was unable to say where the body was during the 31 days before it was found. He also stated that during that time period when Casey was seen to be out partying and having a grand old time, it was simply her way of dealing with grief. And, he absolutely believes that George did indeed molest Casey, in spite of the fact that not one shred of evidence pointed to any such thing.
I thought the juror - #3 I think she was - was very well spoken and clearly understood the task before her and made her decision based on the law and the law only.

It is too bad that Baez brought up the points about the incest (which just does NOT ring true) Partying is only a method of dealing with grief is one is a sociopath and has little if any empathy. ( Scot Peterson had about the same lack of appropriate emotion and affect during the search for his wife and baby) Csey's tears are based on narcississism. , little else. She is as jaded as Scott Peterson and probably appreciates her freedom from parenthood, responsibility more than she will admit.

The question is: ;why didn't she give the baby up for adoption??? Possible answer: she would have.......except that her mom made that decision for her. Her mom certainly had a vested interest in that little girl. And in her way seemed very protective of her.

........agree, the Juror seemed very realistic about the situation. and handled the job very responsibly.

 

[Ariadne]

and that does not cover the hi RISK (life and death........due to either accident or homicide) factor. It is this that I am thinking about.

about messed up..........from what I have seen of Caylee on the tv , the adorable little girl seemed very well adjusted and showing development on par with her age. That was probably due to the caring her grandparents gave her. They seemed to be the constant in her life.

Hope some agency is paying attention to her talk of having more kids. At least the Octomom was not charged with any homicide of any of her brood.

There are several photos of her with injuries around her eyes and she has dark circles under her eyes more often than not. She was provided for by her grandmother, not her mother.

With her mother, she was hanging around with guys that smoked pot and drank lots, and a couple of guys testified that they slept with Casey and her daughter in the same bed ... that should not have been happening. As the prosecution said, it was just a matter of a very short time until Caylee was going to be telling her grandparents that there was no nanny, no job, no play mates ... nothing but imaginery friends in her mom's head.

 

[Ocean Breeze]

Watched Primetime Nightline last night as they had an interview with one of the jurors, the prosecutor and the defense attorney. I found what Jose Baez had to say very interesting. He unequivocally stated that Caylee accidentally drowned in the family pool. However, he was unable to say where the body was during the 31 days before it was found. He also stated that during that time period when Casey was seen to be out partying and having a grand old time, it was simply her way of dealing with grief. And, he absolutely believes that George did indeed molest Casey, in spite of the fact that not one shred of evidence pointed to any such thing.
I thought the juror - #3 I think she was - was very well spoken and clearly understood the task before her and made her decision based on the law and the law only.

PS......... personally, I do think Baez was right when he said that Cayless was not missing. Casey knew where she was all along. That is probably why she did not "report her MISSING". the missing info is HOW SHE ENDED UP where she did.....WHO bagged her body and who dumped it there??? WHEN did the tragic incident happen??

Sociopaths don't have the ability for remorse. and that comes through clearly with Casey. But even that does not prove that she committed PRE-MEDITATED murder.

There are several photos of her with injuries around her eyes and she has dark circles under her eyes more often than not. She was provided for by her grandmother, not her mother.

With her mother, she was hanging around with guys that smoked pot and drank lots, and a couple of guys testified that they slept with Casey and her daughter in the same bed ... that should not have been happening. As the prosecution said, it was just a matter of a very short time until Caylee was going to be telling her grandparents that there was no nanny, no job, no play mates ... nothing but imaginery friends in her mom's head.

couple of things. Agree. the main caregivers and "parents" were the grandparents. I think they really adored that little girl.

about her starting to talk..... and revealing information about Casey's promiscuous lifestyle .......don't know how much weight that carries. Not even sure how much Casey cares. It's not like her friends and family did not know what she was doing.

IF there was child abuse , one has to wonder why it was not reported. Not saying there wasn't. Just being in that environment would have been abuse.

Seems that it is safe to conclude that there has been a lot of covering up by a lot of people AND enabling of Casey's destructive behavior.

What has not been clearly defined is the trigger . What triggered the crisis that snowballed out of control ?? The ony thing that comes to mind is Cindy wanting to take care of Cayless on a full time basis. Did Cindy threaten to report Casey to the authorities in an effort to gain full custody of the child???