What is a Neocon?

JLM

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I often hear the term 'neocon' thrown around. What exactly does it mean? What does it imply? How often is it misused to polarize or offend?

Anyone want to throw their 2 cents into this before I have a chance to google it?

To anyone with one iota of intelligence, it means absolutely nothing, nada, zilch, nil, s.f.a.!
 

Cliffy

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Uh huh...

And so these "black block" guys we have in Vancouver who call themselves anarchists AND try to further their views by violence and vandalism, you can identify with these people?
Number one, they are not anarchists, they are hooligans. Anarchy is a political system. Look up the original anarchist manifesto written around 1840. Number two, those black block guys are police provocateurs. They were exposed in Quebec, Toronto G8s and they will be exposed again for their "work" in Vancouver. It has been standard practice to use agent provocateurs since the Vietnam war protests.
 

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Number one, they are not anarchists, they are hooligans. Anarchy is a political system. Look up the original anarchist manifesto written around 1840. Number two, those black block guys are police provocateurs. They were exposed in Quebec, Toronto G8s and they will be exposed again for their "work" in Vancouver. It has been standard practice to use agent provocateurs since the Vietnam war protests.

Although I'm aware of that bone headed move by the police in Quebec, I highly doubt these guys here in Vancouver are police. In fact, you can hear them yell rhetoric regularly at rallies organized under their "Anti Poverty Committee" banner. I can't see police regularly going to events and NOT starting chaos when that's supposedly what they wish to do. Further, even with their faces covered you can tell these guys are pretty young, and a lot of them have very long hair. The type of hair that it would take years to grow, would the police really put that kind of dedication, growing their hair for years, just to masquerade as an anarchist? I'm afraid that the police aren't making the left look bad, its your own share of radicals.

Also, don't you realize that if we had true anarchy that you would be snuffed out in a heart beat? Your too much of a pacifist Cliffy, do you even own a gun? You won't survive without a gun...
 

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left or right?

I wish government would leave me the eff alone when it comes to all the regular day to day BS that we have to tolerate. things like wether or not I'm wearing a bicycle helmet - although I agree it is a good idea - I also agree that this is exactly the kind of regulations that stack up on each other until we eventualy don't feel like we live in a free country.

Otherwise, I tend to favor fiscal conservatism that acknowledge the need for socialist programs.
 

Cliffy

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Although I'm aware of that bone headed move by the police in Quebec, I highly doubt these guys here in Vancouver are police. In fact, you can hear them yell rhetoric regularly at rallies organized under their "Anti Poverty Committee" banner. I can't see police regularly going to events and NOT starting chaos when that's supposedly what they wish to do. Further, even with their faces covered you can tell these guys are pretty young, and a lot of them have very long hair. The type of hair that it would take years to grow, would the police really put that kind of dedication, growing their hair for years, just to masquerade as an anarchist? I'm afraid that the police aren't making the left look bad, its your own share of radicals.

Also, don't you realize that if we had true anarchy that you would be snuffed out in a heart beat? Your too much of a pacifist Cliffy, do you even own a gun? You won't survive without a gun...
Anarchy is a political system where the community is the highest form of government and the federal level would only be responsible for foreign trade. It is a complete reverse of the present centralized power system we have now, that is why it has been demonized by the power elite as a system of chaos. Anarchy is not chaos but the powers that be are propagating this myth because they fear losing their control of the sheeple. If people really knew what anarchy is they would flock to it because the main tenet of anarchy revolves around personal responsibility and freedom. It has nothing to do with violence and chaos. Those loudly proclaiming to be anarchist and smashing stuff are just idiots and hooligans (and probably police provocateurs trying to discredit real anarchists - they have obviously convinced you.)
 

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I often hear the term 'neocon' thrown around. What exactly does it mean? What does it imply? How often is it misused to polarize or offend?

Anyone want to throw their 2 cents into this before I have a chance to google it?
It's about those who can't move forward unless they hate. (ironically they don't know they are loving creating fear).

They have no f-cking clue how people dominated by love can be self-motivated.

It's like Neadertals trying to figure out Cro Magnon.
 

In Between Man

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It's about those who can't move forward unless they hate. (ironically they don't know they are loving creating fear).

They have no f-cking clue how people dominated by love can be self-motivated.

It's like Neadertals trying to figure out Cro Magnon.

Ah of course. Let's accuse my adversaries of lower intelligence so that it automatically puts me and my "intellectual prowess" on a higher plane. "Your down here, and I'm up here". Sorry, but that old trick doesn't work, some of us know better...
 

Cliffy

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Ah of course. Let's accuse my adversaries of lower intelligence so that it automatically puts me and my "intellectual prowess" on a higher plane. "Your down here, and I'm up here". Sorry, but that old trick doesn't work, some of us know better...
That is just the kind of mentality that duality breeds - Us and Them. Belonging to a particular religious or political view, left or right, Muslim or Christian. As soon as you decide to join anything, you become one of them and look down on all the others. But by joining the crowd you lose a piece of your self identity. You become a little less than what the Creator made you.
 

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That is just the kind of mentality that duality breeds - Us and Them. Belonging to a particular religious or political view, left or right, Muslim or Christian. As soon as you decide to join anything, you become one of them and look down on all the others. But by joining the crowd you lose a piece of your self identity. You become a little less than what the Creator made you.

And your left remember? Left or right, us and them... Hello! Your not the sole, pure source of objectivity that your trying to claim to be.

Your acknowledgment of a Creator is admirable, but how did the Creator intend us to be? For you to claim that its possible to become "a little less" that what it "made us", you must therefore know how we're "suppose to be".
 

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I read a recent discussion about whether people could be half Muslim and half Christian, like people can be half Chinese and half Black.
 

In Between Man

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I read a recent discussion about whether people could be half Muslim and half Christian, like people can be half Chinese and half Black.

The only way that would be possible is if you considered both Islam and Christianity relatively true, not either one absolutely true. They can't both be absolutely true, because they contradict each other, and two contradicting ideas can't both be absolutely true at same time.

In reality, if you're half-Christian, half-Muslim, your truly neither. You're a "new ager", as in part of the new age religion. Not one path, but multiple paths. The poster child for this is BHO.
 

cranky

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The only way that would be possible is if you considered both Islam and Christianity relatively true, not either one absolutely true. They can't both be absolutely true, because they contradict each other, and two contradicting ideas can't both be absolutely true at same time.

In reality, if you're half-Christian, half-Muslim, your truly neither. You're a "new ager", as in part of the new age religion. Not one path, but multiple paths. The poster child for this is BHO.

Does that mean that you can't be absolutely correct? close but no cigar? ;-)
 

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If your willing to accept the Neocon label from your adversaries, don't you also have to let them decide if you're at the same time "moderate"? I'd call myself moderate too, but if I examine my positions on all the major hot topics, there is no way I could escape the label "far-right" from everyone. Basically the only way I think the left would be willing to label you moderate, would be if you were an economic conservative, but liberal on social issues.

I doubt the far left would consider anyone remotely right of layton as a moderate. I am definitely an economic conservative in that I don't believe in government running deficits or piling up debt. I don't think people should borrow willy nilly either but it is their money ,not mine. All in favor of free enterprise but not rampant capitalism. As far as social policy goes I am liberal up to the point where it costs us all money. Don't care if gays marry or where they work. Skin color is irrelevant. You want to have a church, fine. Just don't try to force your religious ideas on me. Where I draw the line is when socialists decide they want taxpayers to finance a program that I have no need or desire for, especially when all it does is create jobs for bureaucrats to tell us what we can or cannot do.
Does that make me a moderate? YJ calls me a liberal like it is a dirty word whereas SJP accused me of being a Harper acolyte.
 

JLM

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I doubt the far left would consider anyone remotely right of layton as a moderate. I am definitely an economic conservative in that I don't believe in government running deficits or piling up debt. I don't think people should borrow willy nilly either but it is their money ,not mine. All in favor of free enterprise but not rampant capitalism. As far as social policy goes I am liberal up to the point where it costs us all money. Don't care if gays marry or where they work. Skin color is irrelevant. You want to have a church, fine. Just don't try to force your religious ideas on me. Where I draw the line is when socialists decide they want taxpayers to finance a program that I have no need or desire for, especially when all it does is create jobs for bureaucrats to tell us what we can or cannot do.
Does that make me a moderate? YJ calls me a liberal like it is a dirty word whereas SJP accused me of being a Harper acolyte.

You got it right..............all aspects. :smile: