Police Brutality - Time to get pissed
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The problem is that you are assuming that this kid is the only innocent victim in town.
Like it or not, there are priorities when it comes to crimes in progress, so unless you're willing to assess a value to individuals and make that distinction, then you're simply barking up the wrong tree.
Because
So theft is no longer a crime? When did it become okay to tell kids to **** off when when they are in distress?
It's as much as a crime as sexual assault, battery and murder.
Does that include if the distress is that this kid sh*t his pants?
So show me the evidence that the police were responding to another crime in progress.
I made no assumptions about the kid being the only innocent victim in town.
Spare me the evidentary requirement on my part, OK?
If you believe, I mean truly believe, that the cops had no other interests at the time, then there is no amount of 'proof' that anyone can supply to satiate your demands.
If you believe, I mean truly believe, that the cops had no other interests at the time, then there is no amount of 'proof' that anyone can supply to satiate your demands.
If you believe, I mean truly believe, that the cops had more pressing matters on their hands, they were en route to a violent crime in progress, then you should be able to provide such proof. Not that I'd ever ask you to or anything, because it would be terrible for you to have to back up anything that you assert as true.
Remember the line in the article where the Police refused to comment about anything in direct relation to the incident? I wonder why?
Obviously, it's because they didn't want to disrupt the investigations into the multiple violent crimes in progress at that moment.
I'm sure that once the investigations are wrapped up, they'll be able to explain.
They've had two years. It must have been a a pressing call on Mars but it only takes ten months to get there. That means they should have filled us in 4 months ago if they came back yet.
He is a wise man. I remember the case of the arm chaired bureaucrat that got caught on video racing down the street with a cyclist hanging off the car door. He kept his mouth shut and the media, especially social media crucified him. Yet when the facts came out a few months later, it was obvious that he was inocent. The camera can lie just like an eye witness can lie.
And cops will come only when they feel like it????
Oops wrong thread......Just goes to show what selective reasoning will do:lol:;-)
I've had my own experience with this topic. I like to think I'm not a criminal,
or whatever excuses are tossed out to justify criminal behaviour by law
enforcement upon the public. I have to say that, in the small handful of
dealings that I have had with the police...I've a sour taste in my mouth.
A few years ago, I ended up with a group of crackheads camped out
between my garage door and a travel trailer parked on my garage pad.
I discovered them when taking out my garbage one night. I asked them
to move along off my property to continue their group meeting elsewhere.
This didn't go over like rational people would respond to (crack does that),
and things escalated.
I called the police. Eventually, we (my Son & Dog & I) persuaded the crack
-heads to move along....over the coarse of about 10-15 minutes. I called the
police back and let them know not to bother responding, as we'd dealt with
the matter ourselves. It was a hot summer night, and being the 20th (Baby
Bonus = the night of one day millionaires), I knew they'd be busy with other
things....
After that, I did some yard-work (mowed lawns, etc...), and installed two ceiling
fans in the house. So 2&1/2hrs later I was sitting down on the deck in the back
yard having a drink (juice, not booze) with the other people from my household,
cooling off before turning in for the night.
My dogs started barking at my front gate. I looked around my house from the
back yard and could see that people where in my front yard in the dark. I had to
come about 40 feet along the side of the house to get to the front gate before I
was able to see that the two people I could see in the front yard that where
dressed in black had red stripes down the side of their pants. Until that point I'd
assumed it was the crackheads returning to vandalize things for being moved
along a couple of hours back.
I did have a piece of aluminium fencing in my hand (I was working on the fence
earlier, part of the yard-work thing) as I came along the side of my home, inside
my own fenced yard, thinking it was the crackheads returning and not the police
arriving 2&1/2hrs after cancelling my call to them.
These officiers didn't turn on a flashlight, or identify themselves in the dark, etc...
but nobody else dresses in black with a red stripe up the side of their pants. With
the dogs still riled from the crackheads earlier, and more strangers in my (their) yard
uninvited, they where barking at the police through the closed gate at the side of my
home.
In hindsight, I realize these where two rookie officers (high number badge numbers)
teamed up together, on a 20th Baby-Bonus night, where they'd be exposed to real
law enforcement situations that night, and some of those being potentially dangerous.
I stated that I was coming out to talk to them, dropped the piece of fencing, and
backed out through the gate to keep the excited dogs inside. I had my back to the
two officers, facing the gate, and it had just clicked closed, when one of the officers
(the female one) grabbed me from behind and tried to throw me down onto my own
sidewalk. I happened to have not let go of the gate I had just closed through, so nothing
actually happened. I will say that I was pretty confused though at that point. This officer
tried to yank me off the gate to throw me down 3-4 times over the next couple of seconds
as I stood there holding my gate (chain link) with both hands, still very confused.
Both officers where now yelling for me to get on the ground. It was pretty freaky. So I let
go of the gate, walked over to my lawn (I out-weighed the officer by about 75lbs, so she
was just sort'a towed along, as she still hadn't let go of me & was still trying to throw me
down onto my sidewalk) and laid down, face down, on the lawn, while trying to explain
that the crackheads left almost 3hrs ago at that point.
At this point, I received a few shots from above, & I believe a boot from the other officer
still standing. The one that mounted my back once I'd laid down (face down) was now
attempting to apply a hammer lock or something. I'm still trying to explain that they're
either at the wrong address, or responding to a cancelled call from hours back.
I was told that I'd resisted arrest (arrest?) and was going to jail that night. At this point, I'd
had enough, and told one officer to "get off my back," and both to "get the Hell off my property."
This only escalated their behaviour. I asked several more times, and then just got up and
stood up. I happened to still have the female officer on my back (piggy-back style) with her
knees on my hips now that I was standing and facing the second officer. She was attempting
some kind'a hold with my head & neck now. It was annoying. I ignored her and told the second
officer to "get off my property." He backed up into the vacant lot on the other side of my
sidewalk. The female officer then slid off my back (I think she lost traction with her knees),
but refused to leave, and again stated that I was going to jail that night.
By this point, both my tenants, and my kids, and my neighbours where all out watching. To
keep my son out of this......situation, I told him to "go into the house and call my lawyer" (who
happens to also be my bro-in-law, who also happens to live six blocks away from my place).
The second officer (the little red-headed guy) now seemed to be trying to pick a fight with one
of my tenants. It was surreal. Then he threatened to shoot my dogs, through my fence, if they
wouldn't stop barking. He claimed he'd drag them out, dead, onto the lawn, claim that they
had attacked, and it would be our word against the police.
I pointed out the many-many neighbours watching, and at this point my sister pulled up in her
SUV. The police (without asking) assumed that was my lawyer arriving. They toned things
down somewhat, and eventually moved off my property to the city sidewalk. They still wouldn't
actually leave, and seemed to be trying to instigate something further. No luck on their part.
The female cop kept on trying to egg things along, daring me to file a complaint. I kid you not.
My sister requested their cards, and at that point, they left, but yelling back taunts as they got
into their squad car.
To this day, I've no idea what I was (or wasn't) under arrest for that I was resisting. I never left
my yard, and only my sister being mistaken for my lawyer (which is her husband, who wasn't
in town at that time) kept me from ending up in cells where who knows how this would have
ended. I committed no crime, and am grateful that the City of Regina Police didn't have
Tasers at that point (I've no idea if they do now or not).
Something like this could happen to anyone here on this Forum, at any time, and after the
fact......who would believe you?
That night I was a sober, Caucasian male, who lives in a blue collar home with a clean and
maintained yard, and thus the reason I believe this all happened that night, with these two
officers responding to a cancelled call from about three hours previous. Here's my best
guess:
In hindsight, I believe two rookie officers thought they found a safe target to tie up several
hours of their time on a hot baby-bonus 20th of the month, which would keep them safely off
the streets until the wee hours heading towards the end of their shift. It's only years later that
I wonder who their next target was, and that I might have prevented someone else's hardship
had I not gotten pissed off and told them to "get off my back and get the Hell off my property."
I'm sure things would have played out very differently without as many witnesses as there was,
and it was bad enough even after pointing out the many neighbours and family and friends
who where watching this go down....in my own front yard.
Ron, I believe that someone posted a comment in this thread that all we have to do to avoid police brutality is to not break the law. Such simple advice, isn't it? I think in your case, all you needed to do was to ask them to help you get a stolen bike back, and they would have left...
I guess I missed that one, although it does reduce your chances, but as I've said a hundred times there is an exception to every rule. :smile:
How much conversation did I have before she jumped me? Nothing, beyond me
realizing the silent people in the dark in my front yard where police, and I stating
that I would come out to talk to them (the dogs where barking & I wouldn't have
been able to hear anything clearly).
Their first words where, after the gate clicked closed, and my back was still to them,
"Get on the ground!" as the one was trying to throw me onto my sidewalk. That did
come across as more hostile than friendly. Anyway....
The punchline to this story is, this could happen to anyone, and if it happened to you,
would anyone who wasn't present believe your side of the story?
That seems like a strange string of events, all of which you are not to blame. Those officers screwed up big time and by the time they realized what they were doing, they tried to cover it up through intimidation instead of recognizing the mistake and stopping right away.
It seems odd that they werent more forth coming at the beginning and asked for your name or some other thing that would have made it obvious that you were the owner.
It seems odd that they werent more forth coming at the beginning and asked for your name or some other thing that would have made it obvious that you were the owner.