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EagleSmack

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What you keep coming across is DU in a metallic solid form not DU after the pyrphoric reaction has turned it into a breathable vapour or "metal fume".

I'm pretty sure that DU in solid form does not travel a few centimeters in the air. I am pretty sure they were talking about the particles being so dense that upon combustion they only travel a few centimeters.

A penny in your pocket is perfectly fine but would you lock yourself in the bathroom with a blow torch and burn it? Do you think you would get sick or die from breathing those fumes? Yes or no?

Of course not. But that does not prove a thing about DU.

What makes radon gas dangerous?

Radon gas is from the decay of uranium. It kills 21,000 Americans yearly and is the second leading cause of lung cancer after smoking.

Is it Depleted Uranium? You're reaching.

Even I know that different materials are radioactive and some are more dangerous than others.

What makes you think gases (vapour) from DU after a phyrophoric chain reaction won't do the same when inhaled?

Because the particles are dense and only travel a few centimeters in the air.
 

petros

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I'm pretty sure that DU in solid form does not travel a few centimeters in the air. I am pretty sure they were talking about the particles being so dense that upon combustion they only travel a few centimeters.
Because the particles are dense and only travel a few centimeters in the air.
I really really really wish what you believed were true. I really do but supporting this is killing your comrades.
 

EagleSmack

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I really really really wish what you believed were true. I really do but supporting this is killing your comrades.

We've gone over this before... the facts do not support you. All my comrades are still alive and kicking and their kids are fine. Veterans from these recent wars are all over and they are fine as are their kids. They aren't any more likely to get cancer than any other person and the facts prove that. Sorry Petros, they just aren't dying like they should to support your argument. I'm not saying you want them dead mind you.
 

petros

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If you can find me ONE...just ONE report that inhaled radioactive materials ( or any other heavy metal in vapour form for that matter) are safe I'll start a thread kissing your ass.

Here is a good place to start.....

Exposure Pathways | Radiation Protection | US EPA

Better yet...I'll post it for all to see so all you doubters can learn what the **** you are doing to your own troops.

Exposure Pathways
Health Effects

Each of the different routes, or pathways, by which people can be exposed to radiation result in exposure to different parts of the body. Health physicists must analyze the potential for and effects of exposure via each of the three basic pathways, inhalation, ingestion, and direct exposure, when calculating exposures or estimating the effects of exposures.
Inhalation

Exposure by the inhalation pathway occurs when people breathe radioactive materials into the lungs. The chief concerns are radioactively contaminated dust, smoke, or gaseous radionuclides such as radon.


What happens to inhaled radioactive materials?


Radioactive particles can lodge in the lungs and remain for a long time. As long as it remains and continues to decay, the exposure continues. For radionuclides that decay slowly, the exposure continues over a very long time. Inhalation is of most concern for radionuclides that are alpha or beta particle emitters. Alpha and beta particles can transfer large amounts of energy to surrounding tissue, damaging DNA or other cellular material. This damage can eventually lead to cancer or other diseases and mutations.
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How does EPA protect people from inhalation exposure?


EPA first determines the risk for inhalation from various sources of radionuclides and then determines protective emission limits. In estimating the risk and effects of exposure for a given situation, EPA's health physicists consider several factors:
  • potential for soil to be disturbed and suspended into the air
  • potential for radon generation
  • presence of other volatile radionuclides (e.g., tritium, carbon-14)
  • industrial processes, such as incineration, that could release radionuclides to the air or generate residues, such as ash
  • potential for mishandling radioactive material
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Ingestion

Exposure by the ingestion pathway occurs when someone swallows radioactive materials. Alpha and beta emitting radionuclides are of most concern for ingested radioactive materials. They release large amounts of energy directly to tissue, causing DNA and other cell damage.
What happens to ingested radioactive materials?


Ingested radionuclides can expose the entire digestive system. Some radionuclides can also be absorbed and expose the kidneys and other organs, as well as the bones. Radionuclides that are eliminated by the body fairly quickly are of limited concern. These radionuclides have a short biological half-life.
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How does EPA protect people from ingestion exposure?


EPA first considers the potential for radionuclides from various sources to enter water, the food chain, or get into peoples' mouths in day to day activities. We also look at the percentage of peoples' diet--food and drink--that comes from radioactive sources. Factors that can lead to ingestion include the following:
  • radioactively contaminated drinking water, for example, polluted ground water
  • working closely with radioactively contaminated soil, for example farming
  • locally grown food plants that take up certain soil radioactivity
  • use of radioactively contaminated water to irrigate crops
  • local livestock operations, when radionuclides that accumulate in animal tissue are present
  • consumption of fish with radioactivity from local bodies of water
  • people bathing, swimming, or otherwise using radioactive water sources
EPA then takes appropriate measures to reduce the potential for exposure through ingestion of radioactivity. The measures often include setting limits on emissions from a source, radioactive contaminant levels in water resources, consumption of radioactivity from locally grown food.
Top of page
Direct (External) Exposure


The third pathway of concern is direct or external exposure from radioactive material. The concern about exposure to different kinds of radiation varies:
  • Limited concern about alpha particles. They cannot penetrate the outer layer of skin, but if you have any open wounds you may be at risk.
  • Greater concern about beta particles. They can burn the skin in some cases, or damage eyes.
  • Greatest concern is about gamma radiation. Different radionuclides emit gamma rays of different strength, but gamma rays can travel long distances and penetrate entirely through the body.
Gamma rays can be slowed by dense material (shielding), such as lead, and can be stopped if the material is thick enough. Examples of shielding are containers; protective clothing, such as a lead apron; and soil covering buried radioactive materials.
How does EPA protect people from direct exposure?


We rely on the fundamental radiation protection principles of time, distance, and shielding to protect people who work directly with radioactive materials. In assessing potential direct exposure, we ask three basic questions:
  • How long is the person exposed (time)?
  • How close is the person to the source of exposure (distance)?
  • Is there something between the person and the source of exposure that can absorb some of the radiation (shielding)?
The amount of exposure also depends on how the source is arranged. For example, whether the source is concentrated in one place, or more evenly distributed.
 

ironsides

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All I know or care about is that when a DU round is fired at a enemy vehicle, the vehicle stops dead in its tracks. As for vapors if any, they are blown out the barrel of the gun. Tankers are protected. Nobody I know has ever gotten sick or died of DU related cancer. No one is arguing that breathing in radioactive air from any source in not harmful, there is just no proof that DU is to blame or emits any significant amount of anything toxic.
 

EagleSmack

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If you can find me ONE...just ONE report that inhaled radioactive materials ( or any other heavy metal in vapour form for that matter) are safe I'll start a thread kissing your ass.

Here is a good place to start.....

Exposure Pathways | Radiation Protection | US EPA

Better yet...I'll post it for all to see so all you doubters can learn what the **** you are doing to your own troops.

Exposure Pathways
Health Effects

Each of the different routes, or pathways, by which people can be exposed to radiation result in exposure to different parts of the body. Health physicists must analyze the potential for and effects of exposure via each of the three basic pathways, inhalation, ingestion, and direct exposure, when calculating exposures or estimating the effects of exposures.
Inhalation

Exposure by the inhalation pathway occurs when people breathe radioactive materials into the lungs. The chief concerns are radioactively contaminated dust, smoke, or gaseous radionuclides such as radon.


What happens to inhaled radioactive materials?



Radioactive particles can lodge in the lungs and remain for a long time. As long as it remains and continues to decay, the exposure continues. For radionuclides that decay slowly, the exposure continues over a very long time. Inhalation is of most concern for radionuclides that are alpha or beta particle emitters. Alpha and beta particles can transfer large amounts of energy to surrounding tissue, damaging DNA or other cellular material. This damage can eventually lead to cancer or other diseases and mutations.
Top of page
How does EPA protect people from inhalation exposure?



EPA first determines the risk for inhalation from various sources of radionuclides and then determines protective emission limits. In estimating the risk and effects of exposure for a given situation, EPA's health physicists consider several factors:
  • potential for soil to be disturbed and suspended into the air
  • potential for radon generation
  • presence of other volatile radionuclides (e.g., tritium, carbon-14)
  • industrial processes, such as incineration, that could release radionuclides to the air or generate residues, such as ash
  • potential for mishandling radioactive material
Top of page
Ingestion

Exposure by the ingestion pathway occurs when someone swallows radioactive materials. Alpha and beta emitting radionuclides are of most concern for ingested radioactive materials. They release large amounts of energy directly to tissue, causing DNA and other cell damage.
What happens to ingested radioactive materials?



Ingested radionuclides can expose the entire digestive system. Some radionuclides can also be absorbed and expose the kidneys and other organs, as well as the bones. Radionuclides that are eliminated by the body fairly quickly are of limited concern. These radionuclides have a short biological half-life.
Top of page
How does EPA protect people from ingestion exposure?



EPA first considers the potential for radionuclides from various sources to enter water, the food chain, or get into peoples' mouths in day to day activities. We also look at the percentage of peoples' diet--food and drink--that comes from radioactive sources. Factors that can lead to ingestion include the following:
  • radioactively contaminated drinking water, for example, polluted ground water
  • working closely with radioactively contaminated soil, for example farming
  • locally grown food plants that take up certain soil radioactivity
  • use of radioactively contaminated water to irrigate crops
  • local livestock operations, when radionuclides that accumulate in animal tissue are present
  • consumption of fish with radioactivity from local bodies of water
  • people bathing, swimming, or otherwise using radioactive water sources
EPA then takes appropriate measures to reduce the potential for exposure through ingestion of radioactivity. The measures often include setting limits on emissions from a source, radioactive contaminant levels in water resources, consumption of radioactivity from locally grown food.
Top of page
Direct (External) Exposure



The third pathway of concern is direct or external exposure from radioactive material. The concern about exposure to different kinds of radiation varies:
  • Limited concern about alpha particles. They cannot penetrate the outer layer of skin, but if you have any open wounds you may be at risk.
  • Greater concern about beta particles. They can burn the skin in some cases, or damage eyes.
  • Greatest concern is about gamma radiation. Different radionuclides emit gamma rays of different strength, but gamma rays can travel long distances and penetrate entirely through the body.
Gamma rays can be slowed by dense material (shielding), such as lead, and can be stopped if the material is thick enough. Examples of shielding are containers; protective clothing, such as a lead apron; and soil covering buried radioactive materials.
How does EPA protect people from direct exposure?



We rely on the fundamental radiation protection principles of time, distance, and shielding to protect people who work directly with radioactive materials. In assessing potential direct exposure, we ask three basic questions:
  • How long is the person exposed (time)?
  • How close is the person to the source of exposure (distance)?
  • Is there something between the person and the source of exposure that can absorb some of the radiation (shielding)?
The amount of exposure also depends on how the source is arranged. For example, whether the source is concentrated in one place, or more evenly distributed.

Again...a few centimeters in the air... that is all it travels. DU particles are heavy and dense.

At Jungle Training the Army instructor was hilarious during the Snake and Bug Class. He would show us slides of poisonous things and add...

"But you gotta want it... you got to pick it up and touch it... put it in your mouth and rub it all over you... it is deadly but you gotta want it to get poisoned."

So yeah, I would imagine licking the interior of a tank after a DU hit would not be so healthy... and yeah, I'd imgaine putting sand in your mouth that you pick up around a fried T-72 would be dangerous. You gotta want it.
 

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petros

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All I know or care about is that when a DU round is fired at a enemy vehicle, the vehicle stops dead in its tracks. As for vapors if any, they are blown out the barrel of the gun. Tankers are protected. Nobody I know has ever gotten sick or died of DU related cancer. No one is arguing that breathing in radioactive air from any source in not harmful, there is just no proof that DU is to blame or emits any significant amount of anything toxic.
Read the above EPA article on inhaling radioactive material again and again and again untill you understand it iin full. If you don't understand a word, use a dictionary until you do understand every word of what they are telling you.

Why would the facts of the EPA be different than the opinions of the Pentagoon?

Again...a few centimeters in the air... that is all it travels. DU particles are heavy and dense.
Really so why are people getting sick and dieing in Japan if it falls three cm from the power plant? Why did thousands upon thousands die from the smoke and dust of Chernobyl? It should have all fell just 3 cm. How about three mile island when the uranium ignited and they released a big cloud of vapour? That all fell after rising 3cm?
 

EagleSmack

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Read the above EPA article on inhaling radioactive material again and again and again untill you understand it iin full. If you don't understand a word, use a dictionary until you do understand every word of what they are telling you.

Why would the facts of the EPA be different than the opinions of the Pentagoon?

DU particles aren't airborne long enough to be dangerous. Heavy... dense... etc. They don't float around.

Take a hand full of sand... toss it in the air... some particles fall faster than others... correct?

Really so why are people getting sick and dieing in Japan if it falls three cm from the power plant? Why did thousands upon thousands die from the smoke and dust of Chernobyl? It should have all fell just 3 cm. How about three mile island when the uranium ignited and they released a big cloud of vapour? That all fell after rising 3cm?

I bet it is not DU. There are different types of radioactive materials. You know that, I KNOW you know that. You're just pissed and you're trying to lump it all into one big category.
 

petros

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Exposure by the inhalation pathway occurs when people breathe radioactive materials into the lungs. The chief concerns are radioactively contaminated dust, smoke, or gaseous radionuclides such as radon.


What part of uranium self igniting (burning at 6000C) and turning to smoke dust and particulate (vapour) baffles you?

Is the smoke, dust, pariculate,or vapour of uranium burning coming out of Daiichi find it's way around the globe or not?
 

EagleSmack

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Exposure by the inhalation pathway occurs when people breathe radioactive materials into the lungs. The chief concerns are radioactively contaminated dust, smoke, or gaseous radionuclides such as radon.


What part of uranium self igniting and turning to smoke dust and particulate (vapour) baffles you?

What part of DU particles only travel a few centimeters in the air baffles you? There are different types of radioactive materials with different densities and level of radiation. An X-Ray exposes you to radiation in bursts... you'll live. Open the door to a reactor for one quick burst... you'll surely die. Get it?
 

petros

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DU particles aren't airborne long enough to be dangerous. Heavy... dense... etc. They don't float around.

Take a hand full of sand... toss it in the air... some particles fall faster than others... correct?



I bet it is not DU. There are different types of radioactive materials. You know that, I KNOW you know that. You're just pissed and you're trying to lump it all into one big category.
What is it then? Take away the D and what do you have?
 

petros

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What part of DU particles only travel a few centimeters in the air baffles you? There are different types of radioactive materials with different densities and level of radiation. An X-Ray exposes you to radiation in bursts... you'll live. Open the door to a reactor for one quick burst... you'll surely die. Get it?
If you would have read you posted they weren't talking about DU in suspened particulate. They were talking about emitting radiation 3cm when it is in a solid.

LOL. Come on! We are talking about DEPLETED URANIUM! Nothing else. That is the topic here.
So it's not uranium?

Then WTF is it?

U-238 has a much longer halflife than the lighter isotopes, and DU therefore emits less alpha radiation than the same mass of natural uranium : the US Defense Department states DU used in US munitions has 60% the radioactivity of natural uranium

TAB C -- Properties and Characteristics of DU


Gee whiz. It's only 60% radioactive. How can that hurt you when you breath in those alpha particles as smoke, dust or vapour??
 

EagleSmack

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If you would have read you posted they weren't talking about DU in suspened particulate. They were talking about emitting radiation 3cm when it is in a solid.

No, that is exactly what they were saying. The DU settles quickly so exposure is neglible. The studies prove that.


So it's not uranium?

Then WTF is it?

Ok... let's go around the merry go round.

You have an X-Ray which is a quick burst of radiation... you'll live.

You get exposed to a quick burst of radiation from a reactor... you'll surely die.

Different radioactive materials have different densities, properties, and diferent RAD levels.

Don't go wrapping your lips around the nozzle of an M-1A1 tank and sucking immediately after it fires a DU round... don't go licking the entry point of a DU round on a T-55... and certainly don't go snorting the sand around tank wrecked by a DU round.
 

petros

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What does pyrophoric mean? I posted the meaning what do you think the meaning mean't?

Read what the EPA says about breathing alpha particles.

What happens to inhaled radioactive materials?



Radioactive particles can lodge in the lungs and remain for a long time. As long as it remains and continues to decay, the exposure continues. For radionuclides that decay slowly, the exposure continues over a very long time. Inhalation is of most concern for radionuclides that are alpha or beta particle emitters. Alpha and beta particles can transfer large amounts of energy to surrounding tissue, damaging DNA or other cellular material. This damage can eventually lead to cancer or other diseases and mutations.
 

EagleSmack

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Gee whiz. It's only 60% radioactive. How can that hurt you when you breath in those alpha particles as smoke, dust or vapour??

Ya gotta want it though.


See this frog?






Highly poisonous. The toxicity level will kill you quite quickly.

You gotta want it though. You got to lick it.

Heck I'd bet licking this frog is more dangerous than ingesting DU.
 

petros

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Sucks to be lied to by the Pentagoon doesn't it?

Ya gotta want it though.


See this frog?






Highly poisonous. The toxicity level will kill you quite quickly.

You gotta want it though. You got to lick it.
You can chose not to breath while at war?

You're being lied to and are stupid enough to believe it.. Hahahahahahaha