"Reverse globalization"?

Machjo

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But teachers have a union. They would never stand for working 12 months for 12 months pay.

Depends on the kind of union you have. In Sweden, though suspicious at first, the teachers' union finally embraced the school voucher programme.
 

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Fair enough, but (in my opinion), the underlying issue(s) still remain. The relative costs in educating the local populations represent a considerable similarity when analyzing the 2 cultures... For the sake of clarity, I am not suggesting that the costs are the same, but the relative costs (via taxes) are what is in question.

My comment had more to do with the performance. China has lower per capita costs, but Canadian students aren`t actually competing against the average Chinese student. It would be like comparing an entire education system to the top performers from a school like MIT, for instance.

In Canada, education takes up a very significant % of the provincial operating budget; compare that to India or China (I don't know the numbers but am assuming that this % is lower)... Why are we not getting a better return for our education dollars in Canada?

I'm not sure what kind of return we are getting...I'm not sure there's an easy answer if the return is bad, but if that is true, I would think it has something to do with the disconnect between the job market, and what students are taking. Maybe it also has something to do with incentives, or the lack thereof.

The only incentive I had at graduation wasn't even based on performance. If I stayed in NS for two years, the NS government would forgive some percentage of my student loans. But I found a good job in PEI instead. And really my performance in school wasn't even looked at by my employer. From my experience, your marks only matter if you're interested in graduate studies. But part of my incentive in coming to this drug company is that they will fund graduate studies for employees.
 

PoliticalNick

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Really? How many teachers take on summer jobs to make ends meet without the pay of teaching?
Wow! I know that an average salary in BC is pushing $60k/yr and the teacher has the option to take that over 10 or 12 months so they are not without paychecks during summer holidays if they want to go that route. I would have to wonder what they are doing if they cannot exist on that wage.
 

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Wow! I know that an average salary in BC is pushing $60k/yr and the teacher has the option to take that over 10 or 12 months so they are not without paychecks during summer holidays if they want to go that route. I would have to wonder what they are doing if they cannot exist on that wage.
Is that starting pay or is it an average of starting, middle of the pack and senior positions like prinicipal, vice principal and superintendent?

Good thing we don't have to pay them overtime.
 

PoliticalNick

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Is that starting pay or is it an average of starting, middle of the pack and senior positions like prinicipal, vice principal and superintendent?

Good thing we don't have to pay them overtime.
That's an average of all teachers, principals, vice-principals and support/clerical staff. Average starting wage for a teacher is around $38-40K plus benefits. Support/clerical staff start at around $35k plus benefits. These will vary a bit depending on area. The agreement in BC is also that they are not eligible for EI during summer holidays which is why they can take the salary over 12 months.
 

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What is the heating bill for a school in India?
Don,t know about India but in China there is no heating bills in schools ....most of them , anyhow .

You're right that money alone doesn't solve the problem. As for the Chinese being poor, consider that that also means education is less expensive there, and also culturally many Chinese parents are education fanatics, spending nearly all they have in time and money on their children's education. That is a rare quality among Canadian parents.

This is a part of a letter (addressed to me ) which might be relevant to the above article.

.......... I was born and grew up in Chengdu, Sichuan, China. it is the home town of the Giant Panda and the Jinsha site and also near the Sanxingdui site. My parents give me a nickname as Yangyang. I know that they want me to be a beautiful jade forever. I was born in a traditional family with strict but also open-minded education. My diligent and wise parents have devoted all their love to me. I grew up with endless love. After I graduated from university, I try my best to learn as much as possible to broaden my field of vision and enrich my experience. I learnt many kinds of skills and knowledge. Just because of this, I have deep understanding for painting, tea art, ikebana, music and clothes. I hope to improve my quality and cultures in many ways. I’m very rich and healthy in spirit.
 
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