If now you see a miracle, will you believe?

If you see a miracle with your own eyes, will you believe?


  • Total voters
    13
  • Poll closed .

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
miracles are wishes come true after much effort and caring, and a real part of life, and will never
include a 'dog' talking, unless the dog has a string attached to its back.
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
Maybe Cliffy is a plant, .......... just sayin .......
Well, I'm a vegetable some times.

miracles are wishes come true after much effort and caring, and a real part of life, and will never
include a 'dog' talking, unless the dog has a string attached to its back.
Animals communicate telepathically. That is why you know what they want when they make funny noises at you or do strange stuff. If you really pay attention all things can communicate, including the wind, rocks and water. Just ask some indigenous people. It is part of their reality (at least those who remember the old ways.
 

talloola

Hall of Fame Member
Nov 14, 2006
19,576
113
63
Vancouver Island
Well, I'm a vegetable some times.


Animals communicate telepathically. That is why you know what they want when they make funny noises at you or do strange stuff. If you really pay attention all things can communicate, including the wind, rocks and water. Just ask some indigenous people. It is part of their reality (at least those who remember the old ways.

oh I thoroughly agree, I have had dogs all of my life, and have done breeding, showing and raised many
litters of puppies, and I can communicate and understand them very well, BUT they don't talk, in the
way that was described.
 

eanassir

Time Out
Jul 26, 2007
3,099
9
38
No, that's not quite what I said, there were other stipulations, but I'll let that pass. The point was, if you're going to claim a miracle happened, the standards of evidence must be VERY high, because that's an extraordinary claim. It means, in effect, that some widely known and understood aspect of our knowledge of how things are has been violated. We can't simply accept somebody's word for that, that's being altogether too credulous, doesn't matter who it is.

I said: IF a miracle comes and you see and hear it with your own eye and ear, are you going to believe ?

I think those God-fearing will believe, but those who are not God-fearing will not; but will keep up on their denial until they perish:

(The [idolaters of Mecca] have sworn by God their most earnest oaths: if a miracle comes to them they will surely believe in it.
Say [Mohammed, in reply tothem]: "Miracles are only from God." But don't you [believers] realize when it will come they may not believe?)

The above is the explanation of the Quran 6: 109
وَأَقْسَمُواْ بِاللّهِ جَهْدَ أَيْمَانِهِمْ لَئِن جَاءتْهُمْ آيَةٌ لَّيُؤْمِنُنَّ بِهَا قُلْ إِنَّمَا الآيَاتُ عِندَ اللّهِ وَمَا يُشْعِرُكُمْ أَنَّهَا إِذَا جَاءتْ لاَ يُؤْمِنُونَ

===================================================

... what your people have been doing in the last 2000 yrs while we were building a civilization and a society...

I see there is no need to correct these words, but I tell you that what happened in Japan may also happen to you and will be more disastrous: God may inflict the disbelievers with severe earthquake or a huge hurricane ...etc, and let your weapons explode against your civilization.

Why the West is now at extreme danger:

The Western peoples are now at prosperity and they live a luxurious life, but they are ungrateful to God Most Gracious.

While Muslim countries live in difficult circumstances, and the West came and occupied all their countries in the last 100 years or more; they plundered the wealth of Muslim countries and enslaved them.

And concerning Palestine: England gave the Zionists the promise to establish their racial zionist entity on it to the disadvantage of the Palestinian people, then they aided the Zionists with their economic, military and political support; until they fortified them against the Arab and Muslims.
England Aimed From This Declaration to Two Goals

So in the past the West were ignorant about the Islam and the Quran (and they may have some apology before God and say we were not aware of the Quran),

while now after they have understood that
>> the Quran is like the Torah of Moses concerning the exclusive devotion to God alone
>>and the Quran confirms the Gospel of Jesus

--> then the evidence before God is established against them;

and therefore their punishment by God is not an improbable possibility; because of their wrong-doing, atheism, enthusiasm about Jesus and the patron saints and their contradicting all the Commandments of God.

Unless they convert and believe in God as One God having no son or parents or patron or equal,
and unless they believe in the Quran with its admonition and reminding,
and believe in all the prophets of God including the noble Prophet Mohammed - salam be to him.

A Call to Contemporary Jews
 
Last edited:

Corduroy

Senate Member
Feb 9, 2011
6,670
2
36
Vancouver, BC
That isn't true. God told me you guys are full of crap and he's giving me that real religion which I will be writing down in book form soon. I have to study p[rose first. Then I will publish the book and everyone can bow down and worship the real god, not these fake ones that you hear about today, but the real real God. He's pretty cool let me tell you. Now don't worry about those who tell you that the book by God which I will soon be writing isn't the real book, it is, they are just evil people and only want to trap you and take you to hell with them.

The good news is, when you die, you are in for a seriously big surprise. Trust me!

What Unforgiven says here is true. I talked to a coyote, he was very curious and attentive, and he told me so.
 

eanassir

Time Out
Jul 26, 2007
3,099
9
38
The idolaters demand the impossibilities

Prophet Mohammed invited Quraish his trib to believe, they said: We will not believe unless you bring some angels from heaven who will testify that you are sent by God so we may believe you; or you revive our fathers and they rise out of the graves and testify that you are sent by God; or beasts of the wilderness come to us and they talk and give witness that you are the apostle of God and then we may believe you; therefore this aya 6: 111 was revealed and its explanation:

(But eventhough We should send down the angels to them [to tell them that you are God's messenger],
and the dead should speak to them [that Mohammed is God's messenger],
and We should gather together all [beasts] coming forth to them [and speak to them that you, Mohammed, are God's apostle]

they would not believe [in you, Mohammed, but they would have said they are bewitched]
unless God so willed [: to guide them aright.]
Nevertheless, most of them areignorant [of the final consequences of miracles: that they will be destroyed if they do not believe.])

وَلَوْ أَنَّنَا نَزَّلْنَا إِلَيْهِمُ الْمَلآئِكَةَ وَكَلَّمَهُمُ الْمَوْتَى وَحَشَرْنَا عَلَيْهِمْ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ قُبُلاً مَّا كَانُواْ لِيُؤْمِنُواْ إِلاَّ أَن يَشَاء اللّهُ وَلَكِنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ يَجْهَلُونَ

تفسير سورة الأنعام
 

Durry

House Member
May 18, 2010
4,709
286
83
Canada
I see there is no need to correct these words, but I tell you that what happened in Japan may also happen to you and will be more disastrous: God may inflict the disbelievers with severe earthquake or a huge hurricane ...etc, and let your weapons explode against your civilization.

The Western peoples are now at prosperity and they live a luxurious life, but they are ungrateful to God Most Gracious.

While Muslim countries live in difficult circumstances, and the West came and occupied all their countries in the last 100 years or more; they plundered the wealth of Muslim countries and enslaved them.

And concerning Palestine: England gave the Zionists the promise to establish their racial zionist entity on it to the disadvantage of the Palestinian people, then they aided the Zionists with their economic, military and political support; until they fortified them against the Arab and Muslims.
England Aimed From This Declaration to Two Goals

So in the past the West were ignorant about the Islam and the Quran (and they may have some apology before God and say we were not aware of the Quran),

while now after they have understood that
>> the Quran is like the Torah of Moses concerning the exclusive devotion to God alone
>>and the Quran confirms the Gospel of Jesus

--> then the evidence before God is established against them;

and therefore their punishment by God is not an improbable possibility; because of their wrong-doing, atheism, enthusiasm about Jesus and the patron saints and their contradicting all the Commandments of God.

Unless they convert and believe in God as One God having no son or parents or patron or equal,
and unless they believe in the Quran with its admonition and reminding,
and believe in all the prophets of God including the noble Prophet Mohammed - salam be to him.

A Call to Contemporary Jews
Oh, so now you are saying the Japanese got what they deserve?
Given the challeges the Japanese have over came in there history, they are probably one of the most respected societies on earth day. You certainly don't hear them blaming everyone else for their problems like the Muslims do.

You still haven't answered many of my questions;
- what have you Muslims being doing in the last 2000 yrs?
-are you happy the way 911 went?
-would you like to see more such attacks?

You Muslims seem to be a kinds sick society, you blame everyone for your problems.
When are you going to realize that it is your Qran that has brought all of your problems on you.
It is your Qran that has kept you in the dark ages and barely out of the age of Barbarism.

It's time you woke up and smelled the coffee, the world is moving on and the Muslims are getting further and further left behind.
 

MHz

Time Out
Mar 16, 2007
41,030
43
48
Red Deer AB
You certainly don't hear them blaming everyone else for their problems like the Muslims do.

You still haven't answered many of my questions;
- what have you Muslims being doing in the last 2000 yrs?
-are you happy the way 911 went?
-would you like to see more such attacks?

You Muslims seem to be a kinds sick society, you blame everyone for your problems.
When are you going to realize that it is your Qran that has brought all of your problems on you.
It is your Qran that has kept you in the dark ages and barely out of the age of Barbarism.

It's time you woke up and smelled the coffee, the world is moving on and the Muslims are getting further and further left behind.
If you look at events over the last 60 years Christians have been oppressors over anybody they deal with. We have been the source of most of the weapons in the area for that whole period.

Any strides Muslim Nations made in human rights were suppressed, the Christian version were the 30 year dictatorships that Muslims are now dismantling. Dictatorships that were in place because that is the way the Christian Nations wanted it to be.

Wake up and smell the lies hypocrite.
 

eanassir

Time Out
Jul 26, 2007
3,099
9
38
Oh, so now you are saying the Japanese got what they deserve?
Given the challeges the Japanese have over came in there history, they are probably one of the most respected societies on earth day.

It may be, according to your claim, you are a Christian:

So let us see what the difference is between you and the Japanese:

The Japanese are idolaters worshipping idols: most of them have their idols in their homes, and you also have the statues (idols) of the Christ and his mother and the other patron saints in your houses, work places and cars.

The Japanese believed that their emperor is the son of God: and you think that Jesus is the son of God.

Moreover, the Japanese are better than you: because you know a lot about the Quran (and because of your extreme hatred and rancor you call it Qran) but in spite of that you deny and oppose the Quran: the word of God, while most of the Japanese are ignorant about the Quran and Prophet Mohammed.

Therefore, I think that this catastrophe that befell the Japanese, you are more worthy of it, and you are more liable and more vulnerable to get a similar or more destructive affliction.
 

Cliffy

Standing Member
Nov 19, 2008
44,850
193
63
Nakusp, BC
It may be, according to your claim, you are a Christian:

So let us see what the difference is between you and the Japanese:

The Japanese are idolaters worshipping idols: most of them have their idols in their homes, and you also have the statues (idols) of the Christ and his mother and the other patron saints in your houses, work places and cars.

The Japanese believed that their emperor is the son of God: and you think that Jesus is the son of God.

Moreover, the Japanese are better than you: because you know a lot about the Quran (and because of your extreme hatred and rancor you call it Qran), while most of the Japanese are ignorant about the Quran and Prophet Mohammed.

Therefore, I think that this catastrophe that befell the Japanese, you are more worthy of it, and you are more liable and more vulnerable to get a similar or more destructive affliction.
Yup, and you are so much better than anybody else that you know the mind of god and can speak and pass judgement on others for him. :roll:

Your holier than thou attitude is getting as stale as month old bread.
 

eanassir

Time Out
Jul 26, 2007
3,099
9
38
Which would win a fight?

We shall win, and you will be gathered together to Hell, an evil destination.

(Say [Mohammed] to those who disbelieve: 'You shall be overcome and gathered together to Hell –– an evil place you prepared [for yourselves.]')

The above is the explanation of the Quran 3: 12

قُل لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ سَتُغْلَبُونَ وَتُحْشَرُونَ إِلَى جَهَنَّمَ وَبِئْسَ الْمِهَادُ
 

Durry

House Member
May 18, 2010
4,709
286
83
Canada
Man this eanassir is some hateful puppy alright!!

Are all Muslims "secretly" hateful as him???

He started out being friendly but when he was pushed for his views, he began to show his true colors!!

Man this eanassir is some hateful puppy alright!!

Are all Muslims "secretly" hateful as him???

He started out being friendly but when he was pushed for his views, he began to show his true colors!!

Sorry, iPod !!