Geert Wilders comes to Canada

[Angstrom]

You can only go so far with what they teach down at the 4-H and Sunday School.

I'm dyslectic. School taught me very young that I was very stupid and would never access higher Education then High school.
Patricia Ryan: Don't insist on English! | Video on TED.com


Oh and heres more Stuff to resolve problems with Muslims

http://www.ted.com/talks/william_ury.html

 

[mentalfloss]

Given the existence of hate speech laws, HRW's, and political correctness, I'd say there's a surplus of soft, and a deficit of hard.

I see the rise in hard power, as blow back, for to much soft.

What an idealogue. :roll:

 

[Angstrom]

What an idealogue. :roll:

Hey at least he's starting to head in the right direction.
They didn't build Rome in one day you know.

xDDD

Cut him some slack =)

 

[mentalfloss]

Hey at least he's starting to head in the right direction.
They didn't build Rome in one day you know.

xDDD

Cut him some slack =)

I'm not sure if you're aware of the 'internal' dialogue me and Bear get to lovingly exchange with each other. It was a short jab because of the continuous flack he gives me for being a lofty idealogue or intellectual in his eyes.

 

[Colpy]

I'm dyslectic. School taught me very young that I was very stupid and would never access higher Education then High school.
Patricia Ryan: Don't insist on English! | Video on TED.com


Oh and heres more Stuff to resolve problems with Muslims

William Ury: The walk from "no" to "yes" | Video on TED.com

Dyslexics are usually of substantially higher than average intelligence.

That said, the links are all lovely, fuzzy, and nice......but they have absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

The subject is the negative influence of a growing population of Muslims on our western society, as discussed by the Dutch politician Geert Wilders. Mr. Wilders is being persecuted and prosecuted in his own country, for expressing his opinions. That in itself speaks to the danger to our society......why is Geert Wilders not permitted to speak out against a religious philosophy that persecutes women, (honour killings make up a very significant portion of Dutch murders), that demands absolute submission to the medieval tenets expressed in the Koran, which in itself promotes warfare and murder of unbelievers?

I am sorry, but the clear fact is that Islam and western democracy are incompatible.

If you don't think that is a problem in Holland, I suggest you pull your head out of the sand.......

It is telling that one of Mr. Wilders strongest supporters is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, once a devout Muslim, also once a Dutch MP. I suggest you read her books Infidel and Nomad to get a taste of reality.....

BTW, I do think Mr. Wilders goes to far......one should not cry out against suppression of free speech while one is advocating the banning of a book........

Banning the Koran, closing untroublesome mosques, and banning the burqua all go too far.

Restricting Muslim immigration and expelling criminals or the (non-citizen) politically undesireable is only good sense.

Leave speech to the court of public opinion - The Globe and Mail

 

[Angstrom]

Dyslexics are usually of substantially higher than average intelligence.

That said, the links are all lovely, fuzzy, and nice......but they have absolutely nothing to do with the subject.

The subject is the negative influence of a growing population of Muslims on our western society, as discussed by the Dutch politician Geert Wilders. Mr. Wilders is being persecuted and prosecuted in his own country, for expressing his opinions. That in itself speaks to the danger to our society......why is Geert Wilders not permitted to speak out against a religious philosophy that persecutes women, (honour killings make up a very significant portion of Dutch murders), that demands absolute submission to the medieval tenets expressed in the Koran, which in itself promotes warfare and murder of unbelievers?

I am sorry, but the clear fact is that Islam and western democracy are incompatible.

If you don't think that is a problem in Holland, I suggest you pull your head out of the sand.......

It is telling that one of Mr. Wilders strongest supporters is Ayaan Hirsi Ali, once a devout Muslim, also once a Dutch MP. I suggest you read her books Infidel and Nomad to get a taste of reality.....

BTW, I do think Mr. Wilders goes to far......one should not cry out against suppression of free speech while one is advocating the banning of a book........

Banning the Koran, closing untroublesome mosques, and banning the burqua all go too far.

Restricting Muslim immigration and expelling criminals or the (non-citizen) politically undesireable is only good sense.

Leave speech to the court of public opinion - The Globe and Mail

Your idea to stop immigration of Muslims would work if there was no Muslims yet in Canada. I don't think they would be to happy to know your plans

Our Immigration policy is the opposite of Terrorism, and Its a huge exercise in Soft Power.

Terrorism:
Taking a innocent stranger and treating him as a enemy to kill to create fear.

Opposite of Terrorism:
Taking a innocent stranger and treating him as a friend and welcoming him into your home.

So all we need to do is Make sure Immigrants are Innocent?
Are we not already doing that, with a list of known offenders?

Conservatives said Immigration is on the table. so your view is being looked at in the next 4 years

I understand your point about there is a huge potential of conflict between Western way of life, and Muslims'. Still lets not forget it was not long ago women did not have the right to vote.

Consider this though, many Muslim's Immigrate to Canada because of what we have.
Free Speech, Free Religion, Equal rights, Freedom to do business. all exercises' of Soft Power things many people of this world want. Acceptance of who they are, and respect for there opinion.

If our Immigrants don't learn to respect Women's rights Free speech etc..
Then I think thats a job for the Police.
The conservative are giving that a big boost too are they not?

You have a valid subject in this thread. One that will be addressed in the next 4 years.
I just hope they find the right balance, and don't go over board.

 

[CDNBear]

What an idealogue. :roll:

You might want to look the word up, before you misuse it.

But I don't expect much from someone that can't formulate reasoned responses, and chooses to hand out neg reps instead.

Hey at least he's starting to head in the right direction.

What direction was I going before you came along?

And what kind of power do you think the rest of your post was?

How should one respond to such condescending remarks?

I'm not sure if you're aware of the 'internal' dialogue me and Bear get to lovingly exchange with each other. It was a short jab because of the continuous flack he gives me for being a lofty idealogue or intellectual in his eyes.

I have never seriously accused you of being intellectual. Anybody that ignores facts, wears blinders, lies, runs away from direct questions, misuses words and childishly trolls like you, couldn't possibly be accused of being intellectual.

Yes. and no
Hate speech can damage your soft power

Restricting hate speech is hard power
They know Hate speech will get negative blow back.
So they try to stop it.

Now hate speech is getting more attention then if they
would have just ignore it and let it be.
See how Hard power has actually made things worst in this situation.

No.

I think over doing the soft power has less danger then overdoing the hard power over all.

Really? There's less danger with soft power when dealing with 'primitives'?

You can always over do Soft Power.

It's already been done.

Hard Power back fires on you if your not carefull

That's why we have armed law enforcement and a standing Army.

 

[DaSleeper]

i'm not sure if you're aware of the 'internal' dialogue me and bear get to lovingly exchange with each other. It was a short jab because of the continuous flack he gives me for being a lofty idealogue or intellectual in his eyes.

That should read "Pseudo-Intelectual"

 

[Angstrom]

And what kind of power do you think the rest of your post was?
How should one respond to such condescending remarks?

Sorry I should have known it could be interpreted as dick-ish.
I was basically saying we where having a real dialog.
not a pissing contest.


Really? There's less danger with soft power when dealing with 'primitives'?
Yes! actually thats what Soft power is trying to do all the time. Make people think we have a greater way of living and making people want the freedom we have.


That's why we have armed law enforcement and a standing Army
I agree. thats our last resort and having to use that force constitute a failure.

 

[CDNBear]

Sorry I should have known it could be interpreted as dick-ish.
I was basically saying we where having a real dialog.
not a pissing contest.

Thank you. This act, separates you from people like mentalfloss.

I actually enjoy dialog, as apposed to verbal combat, but I never shy away from the latter. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, because you seem to be a genuinely intelligent individual, with a well formulated opinion. You've confirmed my suspicions.

Yes! actually thats what Soft power is trying to do all the time. Make people think we have a greater way of living and making people want the freedom we have.

They already know we have a better way of living, that's why they migrate to our respective countries. The issue arises, when some choose to bring some baggage with them, and/or insist that it be allowed to stay here.

How do you propose to address situations such as these?

I agree. thats our last resort and having to use that force constitute a failure.

On whose part?

 

[Angstrom]

They already know we have a better way of living, that's why they migrate to our respective countries. The issue arises, when some choose to bring some baggage with them, and/or insist that it be allowed to stay here.
yep, now I think that most that come to Canada do so cause they have learned of our legendary freedom, they come here cause they love us. I think having that image of excellence in the world helps us much more then we can imagine. Continued Spread of this image will do more to keep us safe then Millitary Jet Plane's etc..., and the best part is, It only cost us what we already pay to run this constitution. =) Something we already have to pay.

Well It helps if we would grow our Constitutional awesomeness every now and again. I'm a strong believer that is a bit neglected and should be importent to Canadians every 25-45 years. We don't want to fall behind of Sweeden's awsome socialist ideas or India who have really surpased any expectation.


How do you propose to address situations such as these?
the way we handle situation's like these now? We have a new agency to deal with this, since 9/11
And let me tell you they have resource up the Ying yang. (NSA) A agency made of the cream of the crop
from the RCMP, CBSA , CSIS. From what I read. Top investigators armed to the Teeth the best of the best, the whole nine yards. They have access to all the top of the line stuff.

Oh BTW don't do stupid stuff in major city's anymore. they are watching. xDDDD



On whose part?
Once they are in Canada and are citizens.
Government/Criminals
(its hard to say without a situation for example)



What in your mind is it you think we should be doing more?

 

[CDNBear]

yep, now I think that most that come to Canada do so cause they have learned of our legendary freedom, they come here cause they love us.

I think it's more of, they love what we have, not necessarily us, we just happen to be a bonus.

I think having that image of excellence in the world helps us much more then we can imagine. Continued Spread of this image will do more to keep us safe then Millitary Jet Plane's etc..., and the best part is, It only cost us what we already pay to run this constitution. =) Something we already have to pay.

Do you really think it's that simple and cheap?

Some costs transcend monetary value.

Well It helps if we would grow our Constitutional awesomeness every now and again.

I am well versed in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, as well as the US Constitution. I am also well aware of how both have been used, to go beyond 'reasonable accommodation'. That costs more than mere money, and creates 'hard power' in some people. hence the blow back I spoke of before.

I'm a strong believer that is a bit neglected and should be importent to Canadians every 25-45 years. We don't want to fall behind of Sweeden's awsome socialist ideas or India who have really surpased any expectation.

What does socialism have to do with constitutionality or an awareness thereof?

And what exactly has India done that is so great? I know several Tamils that might not agree with you.

the way we handle situation's like these now? We have a new agency to deal with this, since 9/11
And let me tell you they have resource up the Ying yang. (NSA) A agency made of the cream of the crop
from the RCMP, CBSA , CSIS. From what I read. Top investigators armed to the Teeth the best of the best, the whole nine yards. They have access to all the top of the line stuff.

Oh BTW don't do stupid stuff in major city's anymore. they are watching. xDDDD

I wasn't talking about terrorist activities. I was talking about FGM, honour killings, feuds, and so on.

(its hard to say without a situation for example)

Tamil Tigers extorting Tamil businesses, to fund terrorist activities in Srilanka.

What in your mind is it you think we should be doing more?

Tighter controls on immigration, zero tolerance for primitive cultural activities, 1 offence, found guilty, set packing.

 

[Colpy]

They already know we have a better way of living, that's why they migrate to our respective countries. The issue arises, when some choose to bring some baggage with them, and/or insist that it be allowed to stay here.
yep, now I think that most that come to Canada do so cause they have learned of our legendary freedom, they come here cause they love us. I think having that image of excellence in the world helps us much more then we can imagine. Continued Spread of this image will do more to keep us safe then Millitary Jet Plane's etc..., and the best part is, It only cost us what we already pay to run this constitution. =) Something we already have to pay.

WOW!

They come here because they love our freedom?

Man, pull your head out of the sand.

Honour killing:
'Honour killings' on the rise in Canada: Expert

Female genital mutilation:
Female and intersexual genital mutilation in North America and Europe

Jihad:
Canada Muslims: "We love jihad. We love killing you....You f*ckers need another Holocaust" - Jihad Watch
Mountie fears more Canadians taking up jihad | Canada | News | Toronto Sun

Free speech: (they REALLY love this freedom!)
Islam v Free Speech in Canada: the Marsupial Trial – james_wolfe - My Telegraph
YouTube - Ezra Levant on CTV

 

[CUBert]

Female genital mutilation? lmao.. You can't see that's a cultural thing and not a Muslim thing?

I for one, have had enough of your extremist jewish fear-mongering and hatred towards Muslims..

 

[Colpy]

Female genital mutilation? lmao.. You can't see that's a cultural thing and not a Muslim thing?

I do understand that is a cultural thing.....practiced ALMOST exclusively by Muslims.

In fact, at this time, practiced extensively.....by Muslims.

How extensively???

91% of Egyption women of 17 years or older have undergone FGM according to WHO.

Wanna bet what the 9% that HAVE NOT undergone FGM are?

Coptic Christians.

 

[CDNBear]

Female genital mutilation? lmao..

You are a disgusting human being if you think that FGM is something to laugh at.

You can't see that's a cultural thing and not a Muslim thing?

Can you show us all where Colpy said it solely in a Muslim practice in that post?

I for one, have had enough of your extremist jewish fear-mongering and hatred towards Muslims..

He's got nothing on your hatred of joos.

 

[Colpy]

Female genital mutilation? lmao.. You can't see that's a cultural thing and not a Muslim thing?

I for one, have had enough of your extremist jewish fear-mongering and hatred towards Muslims..

I've had enough of your hatred, stupidity, and socialist pretense at concern for liberty........but, as it is a free country, we both have to put up with it, don't we???

 

[YukonJack]

Yes, the YJ, Colpy, CDNBear, and DaSleeper sect is just oozing with well formulated, critical thought.

Throw in a dash of Walter and a hint of Stitch for added measure.
The Dream Team that makes Harlem Globetrotter's look daft.


Lol.

Please.

mentalfloss, I suppose that by "YJ" you meant "YukonJack" but as a typical, free-loading, lazy and ignorant liberal, you found the task of pecking out another seven key-strokes too daunting.

BTW, - if I am correct - I feel honoured being in the company of Colpy, CDNBear and DaSleeper, with our occasional differences, notwithstanding.

 

[CUBert]

You are a disgusting human being if you think that FGM is something to laugh at.

I Was laughing that he brought up to justify his hatred of Muslims, like it has anything to do with Muslims. :lol:

Can you show us all where Colpy said it solely in a Muslim practice in that post?

Um , he's using it for more fear-mongering and hatred towards Muslims only.

He's got nothing on your hatred of joos.

Didn't I already tell you, your cries of antisemitism aren't going to stop criticism of zionist Israel?

Look at the circle-jerk of dumb asses giving each other thumbs up, hahahaha,.

 

[CDNBear]

I Was laughing that he brought up to justify his hatred of Muslims, like it has anything to do with Muslims. :lol:

He brought it up as a valid issue, brought by its widespread use in the Muslim community, whether you like it or not.

Um , he's using it for more fear-mongering and hatred towards Muslims only.

No he didn't, he made mention of it. A valid inclusion, since it's a cultural practice, that is predominantly done in teh Muslim community. Whether you like it or not.

Didn't I already tell you, your cries of antisemitism aren't going to stop criticism of zionist Israel?

Didn't I ask you to prove this claim, that I "cry about antisemitism" or even use the silly misnomer? Didn't I already state clearly that the term antisemitism encompasses people that aren't Jewish?

And I have no intentions of silencing valid criticism of Israeli actions.

But that isn't what you do, and yet I still have no intentions of stopping you from posting your hate. Hate that you have stated clearly concisely, in far more virulent and vulgar terms than Colpy ever has.

Look at the circle-jerk of dumb asses giving each other thumbs up, hahahaha,.

It's far more positive than the circle jerk of liars and false accusations, by the thumbs down clan.