Syria's protests have escalated.

[CUBert]

I think you got mixed up there. Cast Lead set a world record for minimizing civilian casualties in a military operation. It also lasted much longer than a trip home from school. It was Hamas that fired a guided missile at a school bus.

There was a 95% success rate, but that was according to israeli forces, so who knows how accurate that is.

The Israeli attack was the deadliest one-day death toll in 60 years of conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, a day that was called the Massacre of Black Saturday by Palestinians in Gaza.[110][111][112][113]

 

[Just the Facts]

The Israeli attack was the deadliest one-day death toll in 60 years of conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, a day that was called the Massacre of Black Saturday by Palestinians in Gaza.[110][111][112][113]

I don't know anything about that, but I do know Cast Lead killed fewer civilians by percentage by far than the average military operation.

If Hamas was so worried about Black Saturday's they should have reconsidered firing thousands of rockets into Israel over a period of almost ten years.

Many of us right here at CC tried to warn Hamas over the course of many years that Israel would lash back sooner or later. But would they listen? No.

 

[CUBert]

Hamas retaliated with rocket attacks shortly after, so this certainly didn't accomplish very much. All it caused was much pain and suffering for the Palestinian people.

 

[Just the Facts]

Shortly after January 2001, yes. You are correct, Hamas and their peers and predecessors have caused much pain and suffering for the Palestinian people for decades.

 

[CUBert]

No, Hamas has been gracious to their people. It's Israel who keeps bombing them.

 

[Just the Facts]

Better read up on that.

 

[Colpy]

No, Hamas has been gracious to their people. It's Israel who keeps bombing them.

Yes, they graciously throw their political opponents off the roofs of high buildings.....

LOL

Look up "useful idiot" in the dictionary....there is a lovely pic of you there.

 

[CUBert]

Yes, they graciously throw their political opponents off the roofs of high buildings.....

LOL

Look up "useful idiot" in the dictionary....there is a lovely pic of you there.

Social welfare wing

Hamas is particularly popular among Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, though it also has a following in the West Bank, and to a lesser extent in other Middle Eastern countries. Its popularity stems in part from its welfare wing providing social services to Palestinians in the occupied territories, including school and hospital construction. Hamas devotes up to 90% of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. Such services aren't generally provided by the Palestinian government.[51]
In particular, Hamas funded health services where people could receive free or inexpensive medical treatment. Hamas greatly contributed to the health sector, and facilitated hospital and physician services in the Palestinian territory. On the other hand, Hamas’s use of hospitals is sometimes criticised as purportedly serving the promotion of violence against Israel.[52] The party is also known to support families of those who have been killed (including suicide bombers), wounded or imprisoned by Israel, including providing a monthly allowance of $100. Families of militants not affiliated with Hamas receive slightly less.[53]
Hamas has funded education as well as the health service, and built Islamic charities, libraries, mosques and education centers for women. They also built nurseries, kindergartens and supervised religious schools that provide free meals to children. When children attend their schools and mosques, parents are required to sign oaths of allegiance. Refugees, as well as those left without homes, are able to claim financial and technical assistance from Hamas.[54]
The work of Hamas in these fields supplements that provided by the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA). Hamas is also well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah.[55] Since the 2008–2009 Israeli military operation in Gaza, Palestinian public opinion polls have shown Hamas steadily increasing in popularity with 52% support compared to 13% for Fatah. All public opinion surveys conducted recently have supported this trend.[56]
Despite building materials needing to be smuggled into the territory, luxury beach resorts and tourist facilities operated by the interior ministry have been constructed by Hamas government linked charities which include gardens, playgrounds, football fields, a zoo and restaurants aimed to provide employment and low cost entertainment for citizens. Some Palestinians have complained about the admission fee, criticizing Hamas for charging them to use "government-owned" property.[57]

 

[Colpy]

Social welfare wing

Hamas is particularly popular among Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, though it also has a following in the West Bank, and to a lesser extent in other Middle Eastern countries. Its popularity stems in part from its welfare wing providing social services to Palestinians in the occupied territories, including school and hospital construction. Hamas devotes up to 90% of its estimated $70 million annual budget to an extensive social services network, running many relief and education programs, and funds schools, orphanages, mosques, healthcare clinics, soup kitchens, and sports leagues. Such services aren't generally provided by the Palestinian government.[51]
In particular, Hamas funded health services where people could receive free or inexpensive medical treatment. Hamas greatly contributed to the health sector, and facilitated hospital and physician services in the Palestinian territory. On the other hand, Hamas’s use of hospitals is sometimes criticised as purportedly serving the promotion of violence against Israel.[52] The party is also known to support families of those who have been killed (including suicide bombers), wounded or imprisoned by Israel, including providing a monthly allowance of $100. Families of militants not affiliated with Hamas receive slightly less.[53]
Hamas has funded education as well as the health service, and built Islamic charities, libraries, mosques and education centers for women. They also built nurseries, kindergartens and supervised religious schools that provide free meals to children. When children attend their schools and mosques, parents are required to sign oaths of allegiance. Refugees, as well as those left without homes, are able to claim financial and technical assistance from Hamas.[54]
The work of Hamas in these fields supplements that provided by the United Nations Relief Works Agency (UNRWA). Hamas is also well regarded by Palestinians for its efficiency and perceived lack of corruption compared to Fatah.[55] Since the 2008–2009 Israeli military operation in Gaza, Palestinian public opinion polls have shown Hamas steadily increasing in popularity with 52% support compared to 13% for Fatah. All public opinion surveys conducted recently have supported this trend.[56]
Despite building materials needing to be smuggled into the territory, luxury beach resorts and tourist facilities operated by the interior ministry have been constructed by Hamas government linked charities which include gardens, playgrounds, football fields, a zoo and restaurants aimed to provide employment and low cost entertainment for citizens. Some Palestinians have complained about the admission fee, criticizing Hamas for charging them to use "government-owned" property.[57]

Yes, dear, I know Hamas has a social wing.......

So handy when it comes to convincing useful idiots Hamas is a benevolent organization....

You know, when they aren't talking children into blowing themselves up for Allah, or throwing people off of tall buildings, or firing anti-tank missiles at school buses, or preaching enthusiastically of the destruction of all Jews in the end time, or killing people, or smuggling in arms, or meeting with their looney masters from Syria and Iran..............

 

[MHz]

Kind of hard to condemn Syria when the methods they are using are the same the US/Saudi are doing in Bahrain. (with foreign troops)
Best thing they could do is ask Turkey to supply a 'long-term' joint defense or som4ething similar to intervention but without the ****-up that Lybia is designed to be (either that or NATO sucks at getting the job done)

 

[CUBert]

Yes, dear, I know Hamas has a social wing.......

So handy when it comes to convincing useful idiots Hamas is a benevolent organization....

You know, when they aren't talking children into blowing themselves up for Allah, or throwing people off of tall buildings, or firing anti-tank missiles at school buses, or preaching enthusiastically of the destruction of all Jews in the end time, or killing people, or smuggling in arms, or meeting with their looney masters from Syria and Iran..............

oook, the social wing was solely created to try and convince the world they're benevolent, not because they actually support their citizens... give me a ****ing break whackjob, you're as crazy as a 9/11 truther.

 

[MHz]

You know, when ...........

How many blue pills did you take. lol

 

[mentalfloss]

 

[MHz]

Syria has some Russian S-300 air defense systems don't they?

 

[Colpy]

oook, the social wing was solely created to try and convince the world they're benevolent, not because they actually support their citizens... give me a ****ing break whackjob, you're as crazy as a 9/11 truther.

No, actually, the social wing was first.....and when it was the main thrust of Hamas, they were even supported by the Israelis to some small degree.

But, you know, I didn't expect you to know that.......you know so little.

Silly of them, I know........they should have known that Islamist fundamentalists are only good for one thing....

Targets.

 

[CUBert]

Yea,... Anyways, you need to help me understand your support for the Jewish Defense League but hatred towards Hamas because that couldn't make any less sense, unless you were a jewish nationalist (zionist) that hated all arabs...

 

[MHz]

unless you were a jewish nationalist (zionist) that hated all arabs...

BINGO!! lol (he will use various justifications, just name the Nation and watch the implosion)

 

[earth_as_one]

I highly doubt that any sane person would approve the recent actions by the Syrian government, they're thugs.

I would have been inclined to agree with you, until people on this forum proved they are unable to condemn all kinds of actions you'd think a sane person would find insane. Try getting Colpy and some others here to condemn soldiers abducting children and forcing them at gunpoint to block bullets and search for explosives.

Don't we generally defer out sovereignty to the UN on matters such as these? Anything happening there?

Personally, I've been condemning the government of Syria for years for their alliance with Iran and support of Hezbollah.

I think you got mixed up there. Cast Lead set a world record for minimizing civilian casualties in a military operation. It also lasted much longer than a trip home from school. It was Hamas that fired a guided missile at a school bus.

Shooting a missile at a school bus is a war crime.

Didn't you support bypassing the UN and invading Iraq for humanitarian reasons? Back in 2003, Iraqis weren't protesting, nor were they getting slaughtered by their dictator. Be honest and admit you enjoy hearing that Arabs and Muslims are killing Arabs and Muslims. Your concerns seem to have little to do with humanitarian issues and more about how does this affect Israel and whether or not the MSM tells you to be concerned.

There was a 95% success rate, but that was according to israeli forces, so who knows how accurate that is.

The Israeli attack was the deadliest one-day death toll in 60 years of conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians, a day that was called the Massacre of Black Saturday by Palestinians in Gaza.[110][111][112][113]

Israel definition of success includes anything they deliberately destroy including hospitals, civilian bomb shelters, ambulances, schools... If Israel deliberately shot a missile at a school bus and destroyed it, they would rate their action a success. Hamas could learn a thing or two from the Israelis when it comes to war crime terminology.

 

[CDNBear]

I would have been inclined to agree with you, until people on this forum proved they are unable to condemn all kinds of actions you'd think a sane person would find insane. Try getting Colpy and some others here to condemn soldiers abducting children and forcing them at gunpoint to block bullets and search for explosives.

I have, where's my credit?

 

[earth_as_one]

Yes you have.