Ignatieff Booed In Mississauga.......

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

No, not whatever, it's the point. Harper isn't the leader of the people of Canada, he is the leader of his people in Canada. If he were to take questions from the public that the public chose to ask, he would have more respect from me and I suspect Canadians in general. As it is, he can't respond to even the most delicate inquires of his parties track record. I suggest that if anyone's brains have been turned to mush, you examine your own blind, unquestioning support of Harper.

I just saw a Liberal campaign ad saying that Stephen Harper is demanding another term. Would you consider that a valid description of his candidacy. I can't remember him making such a demand. Unfortunately, political campaigning is all about sound bites and there are always those hanging on every word looking to twist and distort it.

Harper is controlling a message and so are the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc. You only have to listen to some of the fear-mongering from people on this site regarding prisons and defense spending to understand how easily opponents will twist the truth simply because they do not agree with the conservative agenda.

So yeah, whatever Unf.

They all do it. Problem is that your horse in this race is doing it very badly and the NDP is making gains as a result.

If you can find me a politician that is not working from a script and delivering an honest message that is plausible I would consider changing my vote. I have yet to see that from any party and until that changes I am voting for the most capable of the four.

 

[mentalfloss]

Hey, I - as well as most Canadians - would be fully on board with the Starscream project if the undertaking was reasonable. Unfortunately, most voters are simply not convinced there is a need.

No spin necessary.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Hey, I - as well as most Canadians - would be fully on board with the Starscream project if the undertaking was reasonable. Unfortunately, most voters are simply not convinced there is a need.

No spin necessary.

Yup no spin necessary.

 

[mentalfloss]

I would think it's reasonable for the ones proposing this idea to have a persuasive argument. It's not self-evident that we need these jets, so the onus is on conservatives to really sell this proposal.

Am I wrong here?

 

[Unforgiven]

I just saw a Liberal campaign ad saying that Stephen Harper is demanding another term. Would you consider that a valid description of his candidacy. I can't remember him making such a demand. Unfortunately, political campaigning is all about sound bites and there are always those hanging on every word looking to twist and distort it.

Harper is controlling a message and so are the Liberals, NDP, and Bloc. You only have to listen to some of the fear-mongering from people on this site regarding prisons and defense spending to understand how easily opponents will twist the truth simply because they do not agree with the conservative agenda.

So yeah, whatever Unf.

They all do it. Problem is that your horse in this race is doing it very badly and the NDP is making gains as a result.

If you can find me a politician that is not working from a script and delivering an honest message that is plausible I would consider changing my vote. I have yet to see that from any party and until that changes I am voting for the most capable of the four.

How is that in any way pertaining to what I wrote? Telling me what this politician says about that politicians doesn't change the fact that Harper isn't taking any questions from the public, nor responding to problems with what he proposes. Like him, you haven't even acknowledged that he isn't appealing to all Canadians, just enough to give him power to go ahead without consideration of the other three elected parties.

While you feel Harper is correct in Canada needing these new fighter jets and super max prisons, I don't. I am ready and willing to talk about it in fine detail to support why I don't feel they are needed, while you, like Harper won't or can't clear up the questions that are floating around about either issue. While there is for example indisputable proof that Insite works and should be expanded, Harper want's it shut down in favour of prison.
While Cannabis is openly and widely used by a significant portion of the population, and most people call for decriminalization or legalization of Cannabis, harsher laws are what Harper is offering.

Harper isn't controlling a message, he is shutting down discussion. That is why he isn't going to field any questions that aren't pre-screened, appear in public, only at campaign rallies and functions and won't allow more than 5 questions from the media per day. The reason for that is clear, not because he believes in what he says, but instead, he can't stand having the platform shown for what it is and his disregard for the majority of Canadians.

He's a tyrant and the last thing we need is for him to have free reign.

 

[mentalfloss]

CDNBear will see this post and just zero in on the word 'tyrant', lol

 

[taxslave]

Taxslave, these are all places to go looking for votes, in fact these groups like politicians
going there it gives these clubs, service clubs, community centers and so on status they
look for and publicity they would other wise not get. In addition politicians of all stripes
participate in helping these groups either get shared funding or promote functions that
support their community causes.
If the farm organization, which I belong to, and am on the Provincial Executive for, were
to be ignored by politicians at any level we would not be happy. As for going to a hockey
game or even a church service, that is entirely appropriate they are places of public
gathering and part of the Canadian social mosaic. Harper goes to such places and I saw
Jack Layton at Mass this morning as well. Why in the hell would such places be off limits?
In fact most people probably don't understand during an election campaign, even gated
communities and apartment buildings have to allow access to politicians regardless of
party.
The difference is some people have a basic concept of manners and then there are others
who behave like hickey backwoods people that set a terrible example as to how to behave in
public. On the other hand I would be willing to be that even in remote Alberta, or Saskatchewan
or Northern Ontario people would not behave in such a manner, so maybe it is a new form of
urbanite collective ignorance at work. End of rant

Not here. Our Lions club and as far as I know all lions clubs in Canada specifically forbid politics and religion inside the Lions Den. Same goes for our volunteer fire dept. Now it is one thing for an elected MLA or MP to go to a club and speak about policies in effect or proposed that are important to the organization. That is not the same as soliciting votes. IMO the same goes for a hockey game. Fine to go watch the game but not to solicit votes or a photo op during an election. as it appears Iggy was doing. Same goes for a church, everyone has a right to attend any church they want(I think) but not to promote themselves.

 

[damngrumpy]

First Durry would boo anybody he didn't like, at least he is hones even though short on
the basics of manners. As for going to clubs and so on, some do not permit those
running for office and others like the Chamber of Commerce like to pretend they are non
partisan. Many other groups do allow politicians in during elections for meet and greet
and that is promoting themselves. I would like to see more service clubs hosting forums
especially for young people.
I believe if we are going to expect tolerance from other parts of the world we should start at
home. You may not have to agree but being civil is the first step to having people working
together for a common goal. Being rude and disrespectful reflects on ones maturity, and
even some of the most aggressive people even on this board, know full well there is a limit
and beyond that they loose the impact of their argument. I don't have to agree with someone
but my parents also taught me not to be rude to people especially in a pubic place.
Yes he went there to enhance his profile. What if he did become Prime Minister and the
people wanted some funding for their arena down the road? Now we know that should not
enter into it, but in the back of the mind how much assistance would you want to give to people
who could be rude to you and now were asking for help? That is a reality.
I don't know if the people who booed were Conservative, NDP, Liberals or greens, I just think
the lot of people in Mississauga are bad mannered people nice image eh?

 

[TenPenny]

I thought it said 'Bored in Mississauga', and I figured anyone would be.

 

[Unforgiven]

I thought it said 'Bored in Mississauga', and I figured anyone would be.

Oh you've visited then? :lol:

It took fourth place in American Cities Of The Future. Very open criteria it being a Canadian city and all.

 

[Taxx]

I thought it said 'Bored in Mississauga', and I figured anyone would be.

I grew up in that city. I didnt just boo anyone who walked by. In fact, I don't recall booing being a regular event at all.

 

[Cannuck]

If he were to take questions from the public that the public chose to ask, he would have more respect from me and I suspect Canadians in general.

But he is willing to take questions from the public, as long as that "public" hasn't had their picture taken with Iggy.

CDNBear will see this post and just zero in on the word 'tyrant', lol

It's what he does.

 

[CDNBear]

CDNBear will see this post and just zero in on the word 'tyrant', lol

Why? I actually gave him a thumbs up.

 

[mentalfloss]

 

[CDNBear]

...

You didn't answer my question.

 

[mentalfloss]

I was getting to it you goddamn bear.

Why? I actually gave him a thumbs up.

Good for you bear.

 

[CDNBear]

I was getting to it you goddamn bear.

Well?

Good for you bear.

I know.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

How is that in any way pertaining to what I wrote? Telling me what this politician says about that politicians doesn't change the fact that Harper isn't taking any questions from the public, nor responding to problems with what he proposes. Like him, you haven't even acknowledged that he isn't appealing to all Canadians, just enough to give him power to go ahead without consideration of the other three elected parties.

He's appealing to at least 39% of Canadians while Ignatieff is almost in a statistical dead heat with Layton . He hasn't got a majority because a portion of the Canadian public is still listening to the Chicken Little theatrics of his opponents. The final quote in this post is a prime example of those theatrics. Tell me, what is the worst thing that could happen under Harper majority? At worst he might make some much needed cut-backs and if they are too deep he will lose the next election. That's it. There will be no pot smokers carted off to super prisons. No secret F35 bombings. Gays will still be able to marry. Abortion will still be legal. Medicare will still be intact. The fact is that Fear is the mantra of the Liberal party and their miscalculation regarding the Canadian peoples lack of appetite for this election may well have driven a stake through the heart of their party. Jack Layton must be creaming his jeans right now. That official opposition he has so long coveted is just six days away if he plays his cards right. My guess is that if Jack gets official opposition status he will not be seeking a coalition, oh no, he won't F up like that again.

While you feel Harper is correct in Canada needing these new fighter jets and super max prisons, I don't. I am ready and willing to talk about it in fine detail to support why I don't feel they are needed, while you, like Harper won't or can't clear up the questions that are floating around about either issue.

Horesh!t. Why do we need new jets? Because the old ones are older than the commodore 64. Why are Liberals bitching about it? Because the military has been their personal whipping post since the days of Pierre Trudeau. Want to talk about the need for prisons. Here let me take a look at a few reasons we need bigger prisons.

• The Parole Board of Canada gave David Watkins day parole this week, meaning the child sex offender who preyed on two girls about 100 times at a Calgary day home will live in a half-way house.
  Officials would not say where it is located.
• Prince Albert, SK - A Calgary child killer and rapist was granted day parole this afternoon, as his victim's family openly wept at the decision.
  After a three-hour hearing before the National Parole Board this morning, Harold David Smeltzer was granted day parole for six months. He will serve the time at a halfway house in Regina.
• The brother of a man who was beaten to death in Inuvik, N.W.T., says he's angry with the five-year jail sentence handed to the killer, who has 19 previous convictions for assault.

While there is for example indisputable proof that Insite works and should be expanded, Harper want's it shut down in favour of prison.

All insite does to my knowledge is give heroin addicts a safe place to shoot up. Deaths might have been reduced and I accept that, but this is stupid thinking. What next? Safe Crack Houses?

While Cannabis is openly and widely used by a significant portion of the population, and most people call for decriminalization or legalization of Cannabis, harsher laws are what Harper is offering.

While agree that our Cannabis laws are rather stupid, I'd also say that there are a lot of things to consider before diving headlong into decriminalization..

Harper isn't controlling a message, he is shutting down discussion. That is why he isn't going to field any questions that aren't pre-screened, appear in public, only at campaign rallies and functions and won't allow more than 5 questions from the media per day. The reason for that is clear, not because he believes in what he says, but instead, he can't stand having the platform shown for what it is and his disregard for the majority of Canadians.

Well I'd agree with you if he were slipping in the polls, yet he isn't Unf. Why is that you suppose?

He's a tyrant and the last thing we need is for him to have free reign

You sound utterly paranoid and incoherent. Tyrant, yes that is what he is a tyrant..

 

[Taxx]

Before anyone posts a stupid comment, I know I only quoted parts of the post. The parts I talk about.

...Tell me, what is the worst thing that could happen under Harper majority? At worst he might make some much needed cut-backs and if they are too deep he will lose the next election. That's it. There will be no pot smokers carted off to super prisons. No secret F35 bombings. Gays will still be able to marry. Abortion will still be legal. Medicare will still be intact. The fact is that Fear is the mantra of the Liberal party and their miscalculation regarding the Canadian peoples lack of appetite for this election may well have driven a stake through the heart of their party...

This "fear" is something I have seen used at the local level. In these somewhat new (at least I've never seen them before) "all-candidates debates" held locally the non-conservative candidates just seem to say "we can't trust Harper" or things along those lines. It's getting very annoying and In my opinion will end up costing them votes.

... Why do we need new jets? Because the old ones are older than the commodore 64. Why are Liberals bitching about it? Because the military has been their personal whipping post since the days of Pierre Trudeau. Want to talk about the need for prisons. Here let me take a look at a few reasons we need bigger prisons.

• The Parole Board of Canada gave David Watkins day parole this week, meaning the child sex offender who preyed on two girls about 100 times at a Calgary day home will live in a half-way house.
  Officials would not say where it is located.
• Prince Albert, SK - A Calgary child killer and rapist was granted day parole this afternoon, as his victim's family openly wept at the decision.
  After a three-hour hearing before the National Parole Board this morning, Harold David Smeltzer was granted day parole for six months. He will serve the time at a halfway house in Regina.
• The brother of a man who was beaten to death in Inuvik, N.W.T., says he's angry with the five-year jail sentence handed to the killer, who has 19 previous convictions for assault.

Canada is beyond need for military spending. Do we need to go all out and spend a billion or two on jets? No, but $500-$750 million is certainly a good start. Do we really need to worry about invasion from other countries? No, but we can't go on a military campaign with jeeps and pickup trucks.

Tougher punishments on violent crime are a good idea. If you have more than one conviction, chances are that by then you aren't likely to be a normal citizen. There is a reason that repeat offenders get harsher punishments in the US, unlike in Canada where we don't have laws aimed at repeat offenders (I don't believe we do, anyway)

While agree that our Cannabis laws are rather stupid, I'd also say that there are a lot of things to consider before diving headlong into decriminalization..

I have to disagree, we should just do it and get it over with. I think that it should be legal because of a few reasons.

• People who smoke Cannabis will smoke it whether it's legal or not
• It costs money to chase people for Cannabis-related charges
• It could be taxed which would generate new income
• It would be safer to use because the government could control exactly what is in it (Cannabis is sometimes laced with other crap)

Anyways, I don't see it being legal across the country anytime soon but however it is certainly a topic wroth discussing.

 

[Unforgiven]

He's appealing to at least 39% of Canadians while Ignatieff is almost in a statistical dead heat with Layton . He hasn't got a majority because a portion of the Canadian public is still listening to the Chicken Little theatrics of his opponents. The final quote in this post is a prime example of those theatrics. Tell me, what is the worst thing that could happen under Harper majority? At worst he might make some much needed cut-backs and if they are too deep he will lose the next election. That's it. There will be no pot smokers carted off to super prisons. No secret F35 bombings. Gays will still be able to marry. Abortion will still be legal. Medicare will still be intact. The fact is that Fear is the mantra of the Liberal party and their miscalculation regarding the Canadian peoples lack of appetite for this election may well have driven a stake through the heart of their party. Jack Layton must be creaming his jeans right now. That official opposition he has so long coveted is just six days away if he plays his cards right. My guess is that if Jack gets official opposition status he will not be seeking a coalition, oh no, he won't F up like that again.

I disagree. Harper doesn't have a majority government because people just don't trust him. With good reason too!
If it was this chicken little theatrics bunk then the Neocons would still be circling the bowl where Mulroney left them.

At worst, Abortion is made illegal again. Cut backs are coming under a Harper government. Policy states a law and order crack down. Pot smokers will be hauled off to jail. Super Max prisons are part of the policy. This idea you have that while we'll build these prisons we won't put people in them is laughable. Like using F35s for search and rescue. A two tier medicare system will be brought in and the longed after private health care will get it's start in Canada. Not to mention war. Libya looks to be turning into a quagmire like Afghanistan already is. I am sure you heard about the 450 soldiers escaping from prison there. Don't forget those poor poor people of Syria who are being killed by their government. Or are they different than Libyans in some way? Of course there is also Easter in China held in secret. Are we going to start something over that in our new Neocon roll as protector of religions of the world now? No thanks not what I want for Canada.

Horesh!t. Why do we need new jets? Because the old ones are older than the commodore 64. Why are Liberals bitching about it? Because the military has been their personal whipping post since the days of Pierre Trudeau. Want to talk about the need for prisons. Here let me take a look at a few reasons we need bigger prisons.

We need to support the military but we should clearly define what role our military will have. Going from peace keepers to World Super Power is going to take some doing. Maybe we should ask the country if we need to be the world's police man or if we should just worry about our own countries interests and sovereignty. Gear up for that.

• The Parole Board of Canada gave David Watkins day parole this week, meaning the child sex offender who preyed on two girls about 100 times at a Calgary day home will live in a half-way house.
  Officials would not say where it is located.
• Prince Albert, SK - A Calgary child killer and rapist was granted day parole this afternoon, as his victim's family openly wept at the decision.
  After a three-hour hearing before the National Parole Board this morning, Harold David Smeltzer was granted day parole for six months. He will serve the time at a halfway house in Regina.
• The brother of a man who was beaten to death in Inuvik, N.W.T., says he's angry with the five-year jail sentence handed to the killer, who has 19 previous convictions for assault.

5 years of doing nothing about it.

If someone is sentenced to ten years then rather than holding them to the last day and turning them loose without any support or monitoring is just stupid. Releasing them a couple years early and having them under go strict supervision allows for making sure someone can return to society without re-offending. It's the same reason soldiers are given time to adjust after combat roles rather than taken from Kandahar and dumped at the Edmonton airport 24 hours later.

You going to show me someone who thinks the guy who committed a crime against them got too harsh a sentence? It's not uncommon for victims to want vengeance rather than justice. If some people had it their way kids who shoplift would be beheaded and their bodies impaled on a pike for three days so the buzzards could pick at the bones.

All insite does to my knowledge is give heroin addicts a safe place to shoot up. Deaths might have been reduced and I accept that, but this is stupid thinking. What next? Safe Crack Houses?

Then you should read up in what Insite does, the impact it has made on East Hastings and the lives of the people who both use it, and live in the area. That you feel that deaths being reduced in stupid thinking is stupid thinking. Is something that helps save soldiers live stupid thinking?

While agree that our Cannabis laws are rather stupid, I'd also say that there are a lot of things to consider before diving headlong into decriminalization..

Doing what we do now is running head long into having no regulation what so ever regarding Cannabis. We can think about that now or wait until it happens to start thinking about it. Which do you think is the better idea?

Well I'd agree with you if he were slipping in the polls, yet he isn't Unf. Why is that you suppose?

He has his supporters, but he hasn't cracked Toronto yet and without Toronto, you're not getting a majority. The only thing holding them up is the lack of an alternative. This election should change all that. I expect should Iggy fail to produce, there is going to be some changes to the Liberal Party Of Canada. Along those lines, if Harper fails to return a majority to the House after this election he is gone as well. There is no one waiting in the wings to pick up that torch and run with it. As I have said, there is only one poll that counts. Between now and then it's all just guessing.

You sound utterly paranoid and incoherent. Tyrant, yes that is what he is a tyrant..

Look whose talking.