Always remembering what a Harper majority means

[gerryh]

How can we have a dialog, if you keep saying this, without identifying what you mean. Especially when it seems to be the crux of your position.

How are the Conservatives 'unfriendly' to health care? How are they a threat?

How can I give you any thoughts, if you won't tell me what the threat is?

I'm genuinely curious.

C'mon Bear, anyone with half a brain and an IQ above 30 knows what the threat is, as evidenced by the fact that cranky knows there's a threat.

 

[wulfie68]

I disagree. I think you understand my position and don't need it explained. I shared it, you read it.

I think you want me to support it with facts or evidance so you can debate it's merrit. Why not come out and ask me to do this, then I could say yes or no to your request?

Instead, you are implying that my sharing is wrong just because I didnt present it in a way that you can debate.

Understand what I'm saying here?

Why come and enter a discussion if you aren't prepared to state your full opinion and give at least a cursory defense of it or reason for your belief? The reason I come to this forum is to examine the opinions of others, compare their understanding of issues and events with my own and learn from it. I do not claim to be infallible and never wrong (my post history will confirm that I do acknowledge errors and apologize for them when I deem it necessary) but if you aren't going to provide some basis to what you state, I can't learn from you and thus you waste my time.

 

[cranky]

You say this all the time, but it's clearly not the only fix. People are living longer, and with that comes challenges, many of which have not been met, such as the projected costs due to dementia. You yourself said that lifestyle alone can't keep your blood pressure in check. The medical system has to adapt.

I think the Stanford CDSMP program would be a good start. It addresses the idea of self management that supports the doctor's efforts. It uses healthier living to support treatments rather than replace the treatments. Community support should be established as well. Without CDSMP and community support, an institutionalized system can not address the problems as effectively.

 

[Tonington]

Can you define your acronym? I have no idea what CDSMP stands for, or how it actually changes the delivery of our health care.

 

[gerryh]

Can you define your acronym? I have no idea what CDSMP stands for, or how it actually changes the delivery of our health care.

I would think that it is this.

Centre on Aging - Ladner - Chronic Disease Self-Management Program | University of Victoria

 

[CDNBear]

ROTFLMAO

you certainly want your cake and eat it too. first you say you care, then you say you dont, then you say you do, please make up you mind.

I think wulfie pretty much takes care of the nonsense contained in that post...

Why come and enter a discussion if you aren't prepared to state your full opinion and give at least a cursory defense of it or reason for your belief? The reason I come to this forum is to examine the opinions of others, compare their understanding of issues and events with my own and learn from it. I do not claim to be infallible and never wrong (my post history will confirm that I do acknowledge errors and apologize for them when I deem it necessary) but if you aren't going to provide some basis to what you state, I can't learn from you and thus you waste my time.

Yep, it does. Good post wulfie.

C'mon Bear, anyone with half a brain and an IQ above 30 knows what the threat is, as evidenced by the fact that cranky knows there's a threat.

Good point. So does this mean I can now eat my cake?

 

[Tonington]

I would think that it is this.

Centre on Aging - Ladner - Chronic Disease Self-Management Program | University of Victoria

Thanks for the link, as soon as my dial-up dinosaur internet loads the page, I'll do some reading :lol:

 

[CDNBear]

Thanks for the link, as soon as my dial-up dinosaur internet loads the page, I'll do some reading :lol:

You poor bastard, that must put a serious crimp in your porn consumption.

 

[Tonington]

You poor bastard, that must put a serious crimp in your porn consumption.

:lol: Good thing I have a digital camera, and a willing fiance.

 

[CDNBear]

:lol: Good thing I have a digital camera, and a willing fiance.

Why you dirty dawg!!!

I knew you were a kinkster!

 

[cranky]

Why come and enter a discussion if you aren't prepared to state your full opinion and give at least a cursory defense of it or reason for your belief? The reason I come to this forum is to examine the opinions of others, compare their understanding of issues and events with my own and learn from it. I do not claim to be infallible and never wrong (my post history will confirm that I do acknowledge errors and apologize for them when I deem it necessary) but if you aren't going to provide some basis to what you state, I can't learn from you and thus you waste my time.

My point is believable and reasonable. His objection isn't.

It is certainly ok to object or challenge a point, but the general idea is to make the objection more believable and more reasonable. CDNBear has not done either.

now, I acknowledge that it is my job to defend my assertions, but why do I need to do this for such a poorly compiled objection?

in my opinion, lets go back to the original thought, we've wasted too much time listening to an undefended unreasonable objection.

 

[CDNBear]

My point is believable and reasonable. His objection isn't.

It is certainly ok to object or challenge a point, but the general idea is to make the objection more believable and more reasonable. CDNBear has not done either.

now, I acknowledge that it is my job to defend my assertions, but why do I need to do this for such a poorly compiled objection?

in my opinion, lets go back to the original thought, we've wasted too much time listening to an undefended unreasonable objection.

So, instead of providing something tangible to support your claim, you now blame me for an imaginary objection?

Can you please show me where I objected to your statement.

I can show you a long list of unanswered questions, word play and backpeddling.

 

[cranky]

Can you define your acronym? I have no idea what CDSMP stands for, or how it actually changes the delivery of our health care.

np, Chronic Disease Self Managemetn Program.

It's a clinically validated program from Standford University that most regional healthcare districts in Canada have already implemented. In Calgary, its known as the Row Your Own Boat program. BC calls the CDSMP program. The UK (and possibly Australia) call it the "expert patient program"

So, instead of providing something tangible to support your claim, you now blame me for an imaginary objection?

Can you please show me where I objected to your statement.

I can show you a long list of unanswered questions, word play and backpeddling.

good, it was an imaginary objection, now lets move on!

 

[CDNBear]

good, it was an imaginary objection...

It's nice that you can admit that.

...now lets move on!

Awesome...

I'm an undecided voter, the last time I voted, I voted Green. But that was a waste.

So what are the threats to our health care system by the Conservatives.

 

[Unforgiven]

I'm an undecided voter, the last time I voted, I voted Green. But that was a waste.

heh heh Me too! I might vote Conservative depending on what happens in the next couple weeks.

 

[JLM]

Acts of stupidity, resulting in injury, should be exempt from public coverage.

QUOTE]

Having completed the morning walk and now being of clearer mind and having mulled that suggestion......................I think it's a great idea............in theory and should be implemented....................just as soon as we can get a list of "acts of stupidity". One problem I see is it is often the people in control (wealthy) who commit a lot of these acts. Stuff like getting drunk on a cruise ship and falling over the side or wiping out in their Lamborgini, crusing though the Rocky Mountains.

 

[Tonington]

One problem I see is it is often the people in control (wealthy) who commit a lot of these acts. Stuff like getting drunk on a cruise ship and falling over the side or wiping out in their Lamborgini, crusing though the Rocky Mountains.

I'd wager there are at least as many rednecks driving up a snow covered hill in a motorized bar stool.

I don't think stupid acts that result in injury are a class or wealth issue...

 

[gerryh]

I'd wager there are at least as many rednecks driving up a snow covered hill in a motorized bar stool.

I don't think stupid acts that result in injury are a class or wealth issue...

for those with no class it is.

 

[Tonington]

for those with no class it is.

Touché.

 

[TenPenny]

A Harper majority would be 4 years of the conservatives following through with the kind of legislation that Canadians want so bad that they have been unwilling to support the Liberals.

Perhaps, if we gave the conservatives a chance to fix the Liberal policies( the ones that the Liberals are too stubborn to fix) , maybe then, we could vote the Liberals back into power.

In my opinion, the quicker we can fix the Liberal legislation, the quicker we can vote them back to protect our medical system, etc.

What Liberal legislation is it that the Conservatives plan to fix?