I think we are having a good debate of our own, I am nervous about giving anyone a majority
and I think they all scored some points tonight.
and I think they all scored some points tonight.
The Debate is better than I thought
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Harper may have scored once with the long gun registry but he then backed that up with increased gun control..HUH?
Iggy was basically in attack mode against Harper all night and did not come off strong on any of the issues to me, I think he may have lost ground.
Jacko seemed to be clear and concise trying to put forward his platform while throwing the odd barb at both Harper and Iggy.
Gilles...well he doesn't matter outside of Quebec so....
It was certainly overall a gang attack on Harper and he withstood it well (give him credit for this) but his record is so poor and he came across as robotic and detached from the issues that concern Canadians.
Harper did good however his glasses looked like they were falling off his face. Iggy kept bring up the billions for the Military Jets, as I recall that deal was made while the Liberals were in power so he's acting like an F**king Hypocrite, but if I'm wrong on the details the fact he's still bringing them up still fails because it's a done deal and the Canadian Military needs them..
DG
As all opposition parties have stated they will not support the budget as presented last month.
2 possibilities with a Harper minority -
1 - Budget presented in its original form. - They (opposition) vote it down, Iggy then has the right to seek support from the other parties and present the GG with the decision, stating that he has the support of the house and GG making the Libs the Government - Jack becomes Deputy Dog. That would mean NDP and the with the tacit support of the Bloc would hold substantial sway. NDP more so than the Bloc. Even the Cons would have to support bills that were completely for Canada as a whole if the Bloc decides to withhold approval. Very interesting times they would be.
2 - Harper changes the budget, keeps the Bus tax at present levels, and a few others and presents something that the parties cannot really vote against. Hard to do though.Harper holds on for 18 months.- party infighting and all - bang - another election - And Harper could have his majority.
Yes. With an open mind unlike the left.
He looks well prepared because he factual. He's calm and cool because he has nothing to hide contrary to the what the childish leaders of the other parties say.
He's a rookie. And twice mentioned stricter gun control which is obviously illogical, wasteful and pointless. Did you see how he snapped at Layton "at least we've been there! (formed the government)"? What an arrogant S.O.B.!
When he loses, which he will, I hope he goes back to Harvard just to prove that he really is a snake.
Is this really the time to change our entire voting system? Also, the only reason why Layton wants proportional representation is because he wants more power for him and his party! Hello!
Mr. Harper was clear, concise, factual, and respectful. Give that man a majority.
And we KNOW that the NDP would screw up in one month. LOL! Then maybe I give them too much credit. :lol:
I got a kick out of how they all danced around using the word privatization, calling it alternative health care instead. Jack was effective but lost points, IMHO, when he insisted once again that the NDP would change things immeadiately. He kept insisting that things need doing now, knowing full well after his years in parliament that nothing works that fast even with a majority.
Didn't Harper mention that we need effective gun control, is that also illogical, wasteful, and pointless?
Well, he's obviously got you fooled, if you trust anything he said. Compare what he said last time out, with what he did when in power. Ethics in government? Yeah, right. If you buy that stuff, you deserve what you get.
Yes, we need effective gun control, and the registry does nothing for that. Ignatieff sounds as if he's hell bent on banning them if not just over regulating the law abiding firearm owners.
I hear you DG, but the recession was not of Mr Harper's making and is one of the reasons we find ourselves we such a huge deficit. When I look south, I breath a lot easier knowing Canada is on a much better road to recovery then our neigbors or indeed many, many countries around the world. And, that we are is, in part, thanks to the Conservatives.
I am not afraid to admit I wrote Harper off long before this election was called and long before the whole contempt issue arose. I think his fiscal and economic policy is fundementally flawed and he gives too much support to big businees and international corporations.
To me this was a race between Jack And Iggy for my vote and Iggy fell on his face.
I would not give him being factual, his answers to the taxes (corp rates will drop from 16.5% to 15% this year) and his supposed tough on crime (except within his office and party) and his responses on the economy (though he may be getting flawed information to rely on). I don't trust him one bit.
Like I said, he fell on his face tonight which was surprising because he has been quite good on the trail.
When he loses, which he will, I hope he goes back to Harvard just to prove that he really is a snake.
I want it because it gives better representation to everyone. And when do you fix something that is broken?
Not even if he walked up and handed me $1 million bucks in cash!!!
Would there ever be a Conservative candidate that you did approve of? Of course not. You love the fog you live in like the rest of the far left.
Aren't we ever, DG. This is great - Canadians take part in their political futures - way cool. :lol:
I have to say, that after the debate tonight, I am even more convinced we need a majority just to lessen the amount of acrimony that would result in another minority.
Of course I live in the fog, so does Colpy. But it's real fog, not the fog of misguided blind politics like the fog you seem to enjoy.
That's okay, you continue to live in your dreamworld, where you assume anyone who doesn't worship at the same altar as you do must not be mentally competent.
You're sadly, and hopelessly, uninformed.
After seeing how Harper was kept in check from his real agenda during this last term I could go for minority govts all the time. It truly makes them work more for the benefit of all Canadians and less for their base supporters.
Before Iggy finally cooled down and stopped the strident attacks, I found myself thinking that I would not like to be on this man's bad side. He stumbled badly on some policy issues and had no return to Jack's accusation of his absences in the House and for important votes.
Wow, another friken psychic! Do you work for the stallone hotline or a different one? Maybe you can shoot me the winning lotto numbers and then I won't care who wins.
Honestly, there's nothing wrong with minority governments. If the leaders are 'leaders', they can work effectively. If the leaders are petty egotistical small minded people, they don't work well.
See?! That's called having a closed mind. It's called living in a fog. Preconceived notions that only serve your ill gotten philosophies.
See how the other leaders kept doing that? A little dig here and there when then could? That's called a cheap shot and that's what little children who have no business running the country do. It's a cheap shot because it's "thrown in" as a side comment, midstream while answering the main topic. Cheap shot.
Of course you don't because he stands for everything you don't believe in. You have a relative philosophy. Right is wrong, blue is black, a jar of piss is "art". Mr. Harper has the intelligence and has the self respect to never adhere to such nonsense.
What did you expect? Him to speak like the "messiah" Obama? "This is the moment that our oceans stopped rising and our planet began to heal!"
We don't need the greens and the commies getting representation unless the people mandate it. As it ever occurred to you that their platform, ideologies, and experience, aren't very strong and that's why the people aren't attracted to them?
Also, I wouldn't say our system is broken. The green party has a candidate in every riding. Canadians could give them a majority if they wanted to. Leave it to free thought, don't manipulate the system to give inexperienced people representation they don't deserve.
See?! So committed to the living in fog not even a cool hard million wouldn't budge you!
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