Solving Canada's Problems

petros

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So let me get this straight...

You can order a prefab log home from around the world and get it for $66K less?

Are there no duties on that?

How can a timber resource Nation like Canada not be competitive in this market?
Duties are GST.

Exactly Bear how the hell can logs from around the world be cheaper be milled and shipped cheaper? If they had Saskatchewan spruce or fir available at a competitive prices, as high of quality, with a 60 year warranty then of course I'd scoop it up.


gerryh what makes you think I'm hateful towards Canada when I'm doing the exact samething Canadian politicians and corporations get praised for?

There is no loyalty anymore in the world of international politics and finance.

Perfect example is: US people bail out GM to secure jobs and the manufacturing asset of a manufacturing base as big a GM but GM takes the people's money and ****s off to build a plant in China where they will out sell and out employ the US market on money and jobs that could have stayed within the US and Canada.

Yup. I'm evil hateful all right.

Google all you want but come back with a pricelist or two and find me one that is under $90K like the one we found. Yeah we looked at several Canadian ones from Revelstoke and Golden areas and another in Canmore and another near Merrit

I'm cheap of course I've depleted the CDN sources including the one you posted above.

Do you think that the extra $66K will be spread around to theose who did all the work and gave up their natural resource or just line the pocket of some guy sitting in Vancouver or Calgary or Regina?
 

lone wolf

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Google all you want but come back with a pricelist or two and find me one that is under $90K like the one we found. Yeah we looked at several Canadian ones from Revelstoke and Golden areas and another in Canmore and another near Merrit
I'm not the salesman. Do your own legwork. I just happen to know people at the company - but not the ones who'll spoonfeed you - and the quality of construction.
 
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petros

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So what was the final cost, bottom line, taxes and construction included?

Total living area
2318 sq.ft. / 208.44 sq.m.
Main
1261 sq.ft. / 113.4 sq.m.
1st level
1057 sq.ft. / 95.04 sq.m.
Width
36' 0" ft / 10.8 m
Depth
35' 0" ft / 10.5m
Ridge height from top of foundation
31' 0" ft / 9.318 m
Bedrooms
4
Full baths
2
kictch
1
Bonus space
1
Garage type
1
Foundation type
basement
Exterior wall
6X 6
Loaded quantity
1 set 20" container
1 set 40HQ container
Price
90060USD


Add GST/PST and $4500 - $5000CDN for CN intermodal FOB Changzhou CN to Port of Prince Rupert to Yorkton SK and then dropped off on the farm 70km further.

Construction labour, geo-thermal and extension to a feild stone foundation will be done by myself and family. I own a zoom boom for moving and stacking bales and my own drills for the geo-thermal. My bros and bro inlaws are in trades and it's time for big bro to cash in on a lot of IOUs

So there it is. If anyone can find me CDN interlocking log for cheaper and with same 60 year warranty and easy self assembly
please PM me.

If you want to see a pdf with floor plans and photo of finished product PM me.
 

CDNBear

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Total living area
2318 sq.ft. / 208.44 sq.m.
Main
1261 sq.ft. / 113.4 sq.m.
1st level
1057 sq.ft. / 95.04 sq.m.
Width
36' 0" ft / 10.8 m
Depth
35' 0" ft / 10.5m
Ridge height from top of foundation
31' 0" ft / 9.318 m
Bedrooms
4
Full baths
2
kictch
1
Bonus space
1
Garage type
1
Foundation type
basement
Exterior wall
6X 6
Loaded quantity
1 set 20" container
1 set 40HQ container
Price
90060USD


Add GST/PST and $4500 - $5000CDN for CN intermodal FOB Changzhou CN to Port of Prince Rupert to Yorkton SK and then dropped off on the farm 70km further.

Construction labour, geo-thermal and extension to a feild stone foundation will be done by myself and family. I own a zoom boom for moving and stacking bales and my own drills for the geo-thermal. My bros and bro inlaws are in trades and it's time for big bro to cash in on a lot of IOUs

So there it is. If anyone can find me CDN interlocking log for cheaper and with same 60 year warranty and easy self assembly
please PM me.

If you want to see a pdf with floor plans and photo of finished product PM me.
Expect a PM shortly.

My only questions are, do they have offices in Canada where warranty claims can be made? And how exactly would warranty work be done on a log home?

You can't exactly just take apart someones house to replace a rotten log, can you?
 

taxslave

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As a fire officer, service tech and one with extensive management of complex systems, I find there is little if any effective problem solving in our political arena. Disjoint incremental approach to problem solving seems to be the strategy of the day and it is causing far more problems than it solving. So, I got to thinking....what if we used a proven proper and effective problem solving technique (like the incident command P-POST system) and see how it pans out. For those not familiar with the anachronism, P-POST stands for Problem - Priorities, Objectives, Strategies, Tactics. When a problem arises (and it is determined what the actual problem is) the first step to note the priorities. This, I believe, is our biggest problem in Canada. We have no big picture priorities. These priorities are an essential part of the process as they are what is used to set objectives and develop strategies and most importantly, they don't change. I've been thinking about it for a while and given that Canada is a democracy, the country's priorities should be something that the majority can agree on. Remember, these are big picture goals and they shouldn't be contradictory. So, let me know what you think.

Some of my priorities:

Equality of all citizens
Bottom up approach to governance
Value for taxes

Admirable goals. We could start with the simple things like fixed election dates so politicians could spend at least one week during their tour of duty doing the country's business and not preening for the next election.
Take away the power militant government unions have to prevent change.
Fix the income tax system to make it fair and simple.
Financially penalize politicians and bureaucrats that cheat and lie.
Thats probably all the ruling class could take in one go.
 

CDNBear

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Take away the power militant government unions have to prevent change.
I'd do away with Gov't unions, period. With todays courts setting precedents, and legislation, in labour relations, pay equality and worker safety. They have long since outlived their usefulness.

Financially penalize politicians and bureaucrats that cheat and lie.
I would actually suggest severe prison terms, on crimes in breach of trust.

Thats probably all the ruling class could take in one go.
You think they could take that alone, without there heads exploding?
 

Cannuck

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Admirable goals. We could start with the simple things like fixed election dates so politicians could spend at least one week during their tour of duty doing the country's business and not preening for the next election.

I'm not sure if fixed election dates are the answer. Look south of the border. US elections seem to take 2 years. I'd be more inclined to support term limits. One term then move on. Again though, this is more on the level of strategy. I guess the priority would be to make a system that refreshed itself more often.

Take away the power militant government unions have to prevent change.

I don't believe unions are preventing change. I believe the system makes change undesirable and the union is but one part of it.

Fix the income tax system to make it fair and simple.

Simple I agree but I fair? I'm sure my idea of fair and Paul Martin's idea of fair are two different things. Before we could make it fair, we would have to define fair.

Financially penalize politicians and bureaucrats that cheat and lie.
Thats probably all the ruling class could take in one go.

That would happen if we had a bottom up approach to political management.
 

petros

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Expect a PM shortly.

My only questions are, do they have offices in Canada where warranty claims can be made? And how exactly would warranty work be done on a log home?

You can't exactly just take apart someones house to replace a rotten log, can you?
Escrow payment. If something is missing payment is held.

I sent you the basics but would have to email more.

I'm not the salesman. Do your own legwork. I just happen to know people at the company - but not the ones who'll spoonfeed you - and the quality of construction.
Thank you for the link. I'll add them to my list.
 

petros

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It's maple syrup cured maple smoked bacon.

Something tells me you'd have no qualms about all you can eat Chilean baby back ribs buffet and I doubt gerryh would say no to that too.

They are great with maple syrup BBQ sauce from the Keg.
 

Cannuck

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Some of my priorities:

Equality of all citizens
Bottom up approach to governance
Value for taxes

Objectives

Equality of citizens should be one litmus test for all laws, policies and agendas of the government. Simply put, ask the question does this policy discriminate again any Canadian citizens? Does it give give special status or rights to a particular group? If so, the government should take all steps within it's power to stop the practice.

The federal government should have to ask the provinces for at least some of its money and the provinces should have to ask the municipalities. Since municipal governments are the closest and most responsive to the needs of it's citizens, this makes sense. New technology allows for greater participation of the hoi polloi. We need to start using it.

Any legislation or policy should have to have a clearly defined goal and a means of measuring the success or failure of the attempt. Programs should not be implemented unless it can be shown that private enterprise can not provide the necessary program.

Increase the use of pilot programs if required to get data to back up or refute it's ideas as to whether a program is useful, doable or attainable with or without the private sector.

Evaluate every possible way to cut the cost of governing and give Canadians the facts they need to decide which ways are best for them. In sort, more democratic alternatives.
 

CDNBear

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Objectives

Equality of citizens should be one litmus test for all laws, policies and agendas of the government. Simply put, ask the question does this policy discriminate again any Canadian citizens? Does it give give special status or rights to a particular group? If so, the government should take all steps within it's power to stop the practice.
Can you provide any examples of this? I can think of a few, like the Kirpan.
 

anticon

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Canada has problems?
Ola puedo ver que estas vivo.

quizas eso puede cambiar

esta muy lejos de tu patria


que es la meta de tu mission?

quien es su comandante superior?

te hemos encontrado "hermano"

que viva che y su perrito
 

Omicron

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As a fire officer, service tech and one with extensive management of complex systems, I find there is little if any effective problem solving in our political arena. Disjoint incremental approach to problem solving seems to be the strategy of the day and it is causing far more problems than it solving. So, I got to thinking....what if we used a proven proper and effective problem solving technique (like the incident command P-POST system) and see how it pans out. For those not familiar with the anachronism, P-POST stands for Problem - Priorities, Objectives, Strategies, Tactics. When a problem arises (and it is determined what the actual problem is) the first step to note the priorities. This, I believe, is our biggest problem in Canada. We have no big picture priorities. These priorities are an essential part of the process as they are what is used to set objectives and develop strategies and most importantly, they don't change. I've been thinking about it for a while and given that Canada is a democracy, the country's priorities should be something that the majority can agree on. Remember, these are big picture goals and they shouldn't be contradictory. So, let me know what you think.

Some of my priorities:

Equality of all citizens
Bottom up approach to governance
Value for taxes

Okay.

Excuse me for presenting the music I am listening to while typing: http://tunes.digitalock.com/greenhornet.mp3 <-- click to hear

I feel like I'm getting your point. My issue for this thread will be:

People getting promoted to positions they are unqualified for.

They can't work, but they know how to be schmarmy.

That is why many hate unions.

Dumb-nuts incapable of twirling a wing around a nut blithering nuttiness when it would be cheaper to put them on welfare given the damage they do to the spirit of the economy.

That's also what destroyed Alberta education, when Alberta used to be King of Canadian Education.

When people get jobs over their head they get defensive and start chopping the heads off everyone better than themselves.

As for taxes I'm sick and tired of hearing the zombies go on about it, because it's no different from profits except taxes have to be spent back on the payers whereas profits used to be spent back on trickle-down-effect upon the people they made their profits from, but now the profits are sent to China.

You guys have no idea how much education about capitalism is taught to communist school children. You also don't know how the governing system of capitalism versus communism has nothing to do with whether or not the economy is free enterprise.

Chinese kids are taught the facts of how to make money to eat and how to stop tyrannical Emperors.

China used that education and now north America owes a big giant debt to China for goodies it got but hasn't payed for yet.

And it happened because you let stupid people be in charge... and believe it or not you're never going to believe this were it not for the effects seen in eastern Europe when they shut the Church out...

The recommendation is you follow your heart and pray to God because scientifically there is no disproof but there are some curious coincidences sorta like how if you're a skin-cell and you wonder where the disaster of the cut came from and then wonder about how going with the flow healed it.

Ladies and Gentlemen, may I seriously present to you an understanding of how infinity and life forever can be. I know how to stretch lives to 120 then you die in a week if the nutters jerking off their neanderhalness running unions and the coke-heads maximizing profits stop getting in the way.

In the day I would have killed them myself, so I apologize for the statement of request.

Offices and training are given to the kids of those who help and I am not going to baby I will fire those who do not do.
 
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Cannuck

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People getting promoted to positions they are unqualified for......

Have you ever heard of the Peter Principal. That isn't just a government/union thing. It permeates our entire economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle

You also don't know how the governing system of capitalism versus communism has nothing to do with whether or not the economy is free enterprise.

Free enterprise, for all intents and purposes, is a myth. Regulation does not allow for a free market. What we actually have is a poorly regulated economy.

Can you provide any examples of this? I can think of a few, like the Kirpan.

What about the kirpan?