Father who killed his three children getting out?

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Again our courts have lost their heads.

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The authorities have admitted that this man still has unresolved anger issues but he is starting procedures
that will eventually let the guy out.

I don't imagine his wife is too impressed with this turn of events. She left him looking after the three young girls
and when she came back the kids were all dead
 

karrie

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At the very least they should move them to an out of province hospital if they choose to let them out when the wounds in the community are still so fresh. If I were Clarke I would want him clear across the country from me incase of escape, etc.

It's hard knowing nothing but the impact, to trust that the man was mentally ill. People kill their children on too regular a basis, as a matter of control and revenge for a broken up relationship, to trust that he did it in some schizophrenic haze. Ten days hiding in the bush to get his act perfected (hiding and attempting suicide, btw, implies that despite what the court said, he knew what he did was wrong).

My heart goes out to those impacted by this.
 

Unforgiven

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Again our courts have lost their heads.

TELUS, news, headlines, stories, breaking, canada, canadian, national

The authorities have admitted that this man still has unresolved anger issues but he is starting procedures
that will eventually let the guy out.

I don't imagine his wife is too impressed with this turn of events. She left him looking after the three young girls
and when she came back the kids were all dead

I'm of two minds over this.

There is nothing like a carrot to help progress along.
Going out for a coffee with someone who is responsible for his is a method of rehabilitation.
He is sick and you can become well again after being sick. If that is the case here, then it's
better to try and make him well rather than punish him for something that being sick caused.

I have three friends who are schizophrenic. When they are off medication and reeling from the
illness, they aren't themselves. Like saying your responsible for what you do in your dreams.
Everything turns around for them. What seems like nonsense to a rational person, is logical and sound
in reason to them.

Give them the right medicine and they are right as rain. Lucid and reasonable as you or I.

The catch is they have in the past become violent. Hence the minder to keep them out of trouble and
get them back to the hospital should things get a little loose to make sure that no one else is harmed.

So it's not like the guy is "Getting Out" but rather he is being accompanied by someone who can handle him
while on a day trip to get a coffee to see how that goes.
 

#juan

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At the very least they should move them to an out of province hospital if they choose to let them out when the wounds in the community are still so fresh. If I were Clarke I would want him clear across the country from me incase of escape, etc.

It's hard knowing nothing but the impact, to trust that the man was mentally ill. People kill their children on too regular a basis, as a matter of control and revenge for a broken up relationship, to trust that he did it in some schizophrenic haze. Ten days hiding in the bush to get his act perfected (hiding and attempting suicide, btw, implies that despite what the court said, he knew what he did was wrong).

My heart goes out to those impacted by this.
He was sentenced to a psychiatric facility were he is now taking meds that are hopefully controlling his
dark side. I think it is way too soon to say he is "cured". I don't know how a man might be cured after
throttling his three children. I think maybe this is the time to start his prison term.
 

gerryh

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Killing his 3 children with the hope that thier mother would be so distraught that she would kill herself. He was wanting all 4 dead.
 

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Allan Dwayne Schoenborn was convicted of first-degree murder in the slaying of his three children in April 2008 in Merritt, B.C.

Photograph by: File photo, Canwest News Service


The man who tracked down Allan Schoenborn says he's "very disappointed" he is getting a taste of freedom just three years after killing his three children in British Columbia.
Ten days after Schoenborn left a horrific murder scene for his ex-wife to discover in Merritt, B.C., in 2008, Kim Robinson found him cowering in the woods.
On Wednesday, it was announced that Schoenborn will be getting "escorted leaves" from the mental hospital where he's being held.
"I'm very disappointed," Robinson said. "There isn't a bone in my body . . . that for one minute thinks that that man is insane.
"He knew what he did was wrong. He went and hid. When I found him his biggest concern really was that his wife was still alive. He said to me, 'She's not dead? She didn't off herself?' "
Following a hearing Wednesday, the British Columbia Review Board ruled that Schoenborn will be granted escorted day leaves, at the discretion of Forensic Psychiatric Hospital clinical director Dr. Johann Brink.
Brink said Schoenborn was "compliant," taking medication and learning to cook. Schoenborn argued that he poses no threat because he'd already killed his children and that being locked up for three years was "enough."
Schoenborn said he wanted to "get out and go down to the mall for coffee."
Review board chairman Bernd Walter said in an interview Schoenborn could go swimming or exercise at a local community centre, with escorts present.
"He will have no unnecessary access to the community and no overnight leaves but he could be given escorted day leaves, for example to a recreation centre or for fitness purposes," said Walter.
On April 6, 2008, Schoenborn methodically killed each of his three children in turn, slashing Kaitlynne, 10, and smothering his two boys Max, 8, and Cordon, 5.
He bizarrely posed their bodies, knowing that his ex-wife Darcie Clarke, who had moved with the children to Merritt to escape him, would find them.
Schoenborn was convicted of first-degree murder on Feb. 22, 2010, but the judge ruled he was "not criminally responsible by reason of a mental disorder." The Crown did not support that finding.
That means Schoenborn did not go to jail. He is living at the low-security Hawthorne House at the Forensic Psychiatric Institute in Port Coquitlam, B.C. By law, his mental status must be reviewed each year.
Crown counsel Lyle Hillaby warned that Schoenborn is "cagey and not to be trusted. We don't believe he was insane — he killed his own children in order to lash out at his wife. He is an angry and volatile individual."
In her victim-impact statement, Darcie Clarke said that when her children were murdered, "I lost my life as well.
"My children were my life. I no longer have any purpose or meaning for my life. I will never get the joy of seeing them grow up and experience life."
Clarke said she is in therapy for "severe depression and anxiety. I spend most of my time indoors and alone."
Clarke said remembering the children's birthdays and the anniversary — Wednesday — of the day they were killed are among her worst moments.
"I have to re-live what I saw when I found them dead every year, just so I can try to keep the man who took their little lives safely away from me and my family."
Clarke said she has no doubt Schoenborn is capable of extreme violence.
"I will never feel safe again because one day Allan will get out and I know now how violent and manipulative he is," said Clarke.
"Please, I beg you to help me feel safe again as well as the public and never let this evil out."


Read more: Man who found child-killer Schoenborn upset by escorted leaves
 

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Perhaps he will get well enough to complete the suicide this time. Seriously, how could he ever overcome something like that and become a trusted (by himself) and productive member of the community? It isn't like he will ever be dating anybody ever, or at least I hope not.
 

gerryh

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Whengiven the chance, he will try to find Darcy and finish what he started. When that happens I am sure there will be those like JLM who will make excuses for this peice of garbage.
 

gerryh

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Sorry Lock-up. Too bad, it would have solved a lot of problems, not that I see it as a solution for all crimes this one has no possibility od disclosure even if he was in the grave.


He was/is in a minimum security psychiatric facility. He planned the murder of the kids, hoped that Darcy would kill herself when she found the kids, and then got off with no more than a slap on the wrist and a possible second chance to finish what he started.
 

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I could always invite him out moose hunting, been a few years since there were any 'accidents' and as long as I bring him in and he isn't gutted they let you off without any slaps at all. except for that 2-day firearms safety course. The safety thing is solved by choosing a different hunting partner. Maybe we could volunteer him for duty in selective areas of Japan where they need test subjects and the money can go to his 'widow'.
 

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Whengiven the chance, he will try to find Darcy and finish what he started. When that happens I am sure there will be those like JLM who will make excuses for this peice of garbage.

So despite experts thinking he's got some mental health issues that can be treated, you are of the opinion that he just fooled them and now is plotting to kill again while out on a supervised day pass?
 

gerryh

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So despite experts thinking he's got some mental health issues that can be treated, you are of the opinion that he just fooled them and now is plotting to kill again while out on a supervised day pass?

Yup, but he'll wait until he's released or allowed out unsupervised.
 

JLM

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Whengiven the chance, he will try to find Darcy and finish what he started. When that happens I am sure there will be those like JLM who will make excuses for this peice of garbage.

Don't bring my name into it, my take on it was the same as yours until I heard the Psychiatrist's report. He's supposed to be the expert.
 

gerryh

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Don't bring my name into it, my take on it was the same as yours until I heard the Psychiatrist's report. He's supposed to be the expert.


You're one of the ones making excuses for him.