U.N. Employees Beheaded Over Quran Burning

[PoliticalNick]

So, let me get this straight. The documents to verify what you and this kid allege are still "classified" and therefore unavailable to the average person. Yet, you and this kid posting on yahoo, seem to have this information. None of the biography's I have read make claim to a CIA backing. So, I would say that it is you that, once again, has a problem with "common sense".

Since you are such a proponent of history maybe the multiple incidents of the US, through the CIA, backing various leaders around the world and giving both covert and overt assistance for their own political reasons would lead you to suspect their involvement in Iraq. which coincidentaly was right after the deposing of the Shah (another US puppet) and right before the Iran-Iraq war.

 

[gerryh]

Since you are such a proponent of history maybe the multiple incidents of the US, through the CIA, backing various leaders around the world and giving both covert and overt assistance for their own political reasons would lead you to suspect their involvement in Iraq. which coincidentaly was right after the deposing of the Shah (another US puppet) and right before the Iran-Iraq war.

See, there's a difference between "suspecting" something and knowing something as a fact.

 

[PoliticalNick]

See, there's a difference between "suspecting" something and knowing something as a fact.

Given the choice between suspecting something from logical inferences and believing the 'official' story from a party I do not trust (they have a habit of lying about almost everything). I will go with the logical inference.

This is the same reasoning used in courtrooms everywhere, a logical inference from the circumstance overrides testimony from an un-credible source.

 

[Corduroy]

'' I also think the people
who burned the Koran are not much better than those who murdered the two aid workers''

That was pretty much my point in my post but it still managed to get a negative rep rating.

You got a negative rating for saying people who burn a book are not much better than people who kill other human beings? Preposterous!

 

[PoliticalNick]

You got a negative rating for saying people who burn a book are not much better than people who kill other human beings? Preposterous!

Actually the proposterous part is that the wonderful Reverend was on the news today saying that this had nothing to do with him and he felt no responsibility at all.

Everyone's actions have consequences and I think this was the result he desired. He is actually much worse than the rioters because he is the one who incited it all.

 

[Corduroy]

Everyone's actions have consequences and I think this was the result he desired. He is actually much worse than the rioters because he is the one who incited it all.

Uh-huh, so burning a book is worse than murder?

 

[PoliticalNick]

Uh-huh, so burning a book is worse than murder?

No, inciting a riot where murder takes place is worse than the act of murder within the riot. It is called 'causative effect' in law. The argument can be made that Rev Jones incited the riot by his actions.

 

[Corduroy]

No, inciting a riot where murder takes place is worse than the act of murder within the riot. It is called 'causative effect' in law. The argument can be made that Rev Jones incited the riot by his actions.

By burning a book.

Though it's interesting that you mention the law. What is the penalty for inciting a riot in Canada (or the US if you prefer) and what is the penalty for murder?

 

[PoliticalNick]

By burning a book.

Though it's interesting that you mention the law. What is the penalty for inciting a riot in Canada (or the US if you prefer) and what is the penalty for murder?

The penalties for non-premeditated murder are, US 10yrs-life, Can 7-25yrs. In Canad ther is also leeway given during sentencing for mitigating circumstances.

I have not actually researched the penalties for inciting a riot but I believe if found guilty you may be held responsible for all acts committed during the riot under 'causative effect' principle. I would have to check that to confirm.

 

[petros]

Psssst. Riot Act.

In Canada, the Riot Act has been incorporated in a modified form into ss. 32-33 and 64-69 of the Criminal Code of Canada. The proclamation is worded as follows:

Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitations or to their lawful business on the pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction, they may be sentenced to imprisonment for life. God Save the Queen..


Even worse than murder. Murder is 25 years.

The murders were in Afghanistan, not Canada or the US. What is Afghani law for crazy guys chopping heads off

In Canada it will get you into North Battleford Loonie Bin until they find you sane and you are released.

 

[PoliticalNick]

Psssst. Riot Act.

In Canada, the Riot Act has been incorporated in a modified form into ss. 32-33 and 64-69 of the Criminal Code of Canada. The proclamation is worded as follows:

Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitations or to their lawful business on the pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction, they may be sentenced to imprisonment for life. God Save the Queen..


Even worse than murder. Murder is 25 years.

The murders were in Afghanistan, not Canada or the US. What is Afghani law for crazy guys chopping heads off

In Canada it will get you into North Battleford Loonie Bin until they find you sane and you are released.

In Canada life is 25 years.

 

[Corduroy]

The penalties for non-premeditated murder are, US 10yrs-life, Can 7-25yrs. In Canad ther is also leeway given during sentencing for mitigating circumstances.

I have not actually researched the penalties for inciting a riot but I believe if found guilty you may be held responsible for all acts committed during the riot under 'causative effect' principle. I would have to check that to confirm.

Psssst. Riot Act.

In Canada, the Riot Act has been incorporated in a modified form into ss. 32-33 and 64-69 of the Criminal Code of Canada. The proclamation is worded as follows:

Her Majesty the Queen charges and commands all persons being assembled immediately to disperse and peaceably to depart to their habitations or to their lawful business on the pain of being guilty of an offence for which, on conviction, they may be sentenced to imprisonment for life. God Save the Queen..

That is for not dispersing in a riot when ordered to do so. I guess loitering around a rioting crowd when told to leave is as bad as murder according to the law. So can we dispense with the idea that the law is moral arbiter? Because that is obviously ridiculous.

Wait.. I guess not. Because in this thread there are actually people who believe that burning a book which causes some religious lunatic to murder someone else is morally equivalent to actually committing the murder. All logical moral judgment is out the window here. So I guess it does make perfect sense that not moving along when told to move along is the moral equivalent of murder.

 

[Colpy]

The problem is that if these lunatic attacks on westerners continue, the only honourable solution is for us all to burn a Koran.

Kind of a solidarity thing.

Having stirred the pot, I am now going to bed.

Goodnight, all!

 

[damngrumpy]

Yes some fool burning a Koran will cause uncivilized savages to kill people and that is
what happened here. These people belong to a religion with a wing nut section, but
then there are wing nuts in all religions. The problem is here, that a larger group in this
religion are nuts and tribal which means they are uncivilized. The other problem is we
allow them to come and live amongst us. They do not believe in democracy they do not
believe in live and let live and we have this fuzzy idea that they might fit in with time.
It is never going to happen, they are not capable of reason and we know it, its just that
we enjoy our state of denial. I should clarify not all Muslims are uncivilized there are some
who are very moderate, not exactly tolerant but moderate, and that includes a few friends
who are Muslims, but all too many are not.

 

[MHz]

By burning a book.

If it is such a benign act on his part let him fly over to that particular spot and burn one.

The problem is that if these lunatic attacks on westerners continue, the only honourable solution is for us all to burn a Koran.

If we are called the West shouldn't that be where our soldiers should be. Perhaps you would prefer a few unmanned drones sent over, that is what we consider to be fighting fair or is the new rule for this century only one side is allowed to kill with impunity? If the rules are dictated by those with the biggest guns then resistance takes on the form you see it now.

 

[Unforgiven]

If it is such a benign act on his part let him fly over to that particular spot and burn one.


If we are called the West shouldn't that be where our soldiers should be. Perhaps you would prefer a few unmanned drones sent over, that is what we consider to be fighting fair or is the new rule for this century only one side is allowed to kill with impunity? If the rules are dictated by those with the biggest guns then resistance takes on the form you see it now.

If we were fighting fair we would simply blow up Mecca and Medina then weekly decapitation of people because of something we don't like in the news.

 

[MHz]

If 100 people had just been killed by a drone and the victims were women, kids and old men would that justify an attack on the UN? Our western view is we can kill with impunity and if they don't like it that is excuse enough to kill more. That's about as ****ed up as you can get.

 

[Cannuck]

That is for not dispersing in a riot when ordered to do so. I guess loitering around a rioting crowd when told to leave is as bad as murder according to the law. So can we dispense with the idea that the law is moral arbiter? Because that is obviously ridiculous.

Wait.. I guess not. Because in this thread there are actually people who believe that burning a book which causes some religious lunatic to murder someone else is morally equivalent to actually committing the murder. All logical moral judgment is out the window here. So I guess it does make perfect sense that not moving along when told to move along is the moral equivalent of murder.

There is no morality or common sense to the law. Here is Canada, women are sometimes not responsible for their actions when they are drunk but men are, despite the fact that the two are considered equal before the law.

 

[Johnnny]

For sure Al-queda infiltrated the protests, and its too bad for the people who want to legitamatily protest in the future. Cause its going to involve more guns pointed at them : /

 

[petros]

Where was that Pastor from? Florida? Well ****. I'm all for bombing Florida. Can I lop off Mickey Mouse's head?