Do The Conservatives Deserve Another Chance?

JLM

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So you like unions.

Makes sense since you owe your living to them.

How many times do you have to be told something before you savvy? You are starting to come across as a drooling moron. Personally, speaking for myself, I've never had to rely on a Union (my ability and work ethic satisfied most employers) About 8 years after I started employment we got the Union and membership and paying membership dues was mandatory. I had a wife and three kids to support and too much seniority and money in the pension just to throw it all up. Personally I had no use for the Union I belonged to and I'll tell you why for the last time. It recognized seniority over ability and performance, when I got a raise the slowest slug at my classification got exactly the same raise and the Union personally harassed me while protecting the drones and sh*t disturbers. Get yourself educated Avro.
 

Avro

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How many times do you have to be told something before you savvy? You are starting to come across as a drooling moron. Personally, speaking for myself, I've never had to rely on a Union (my ability and work ethic satisfied most employers) About 8 years after I started employment we got the Union and membership and paying membership dues was mandatory. I had a wife and three kids to support and too much seniority and money in the pension just to throw it all up. Personally I had no use for the Union I belonged to and I'll tell you why for the last time. It recognized seniority over ability and performance, when I got a raise the slowest slug at my classification got exactly the same raise and the Union personally harassed me while protecting the drones and sh*t disturbers. Get yourself educated Avro.

How many times did you try to decertify your union?
 

Avro

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Oooooooooooh, you are confusing me. You are a CUPE member so if you are not hiring Union workers you are contracting out? What do the Bretheren think of that?

I'm not a CUPE member, if you have proof please provide it.
 

CDNBear

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I'm not a CUPE member, if you have proof please provide it.
Well I have been a full member of CUPE for over a decade and have never recieved one phone call or letter mail from them.....not once.

How's that?

Hey Bear, what could you think of he'd possible be able to manage? :lol:
He can't even manage to maintain his BS. Even Joey managed that.
 

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I don't hire union workers.
Hmm... then I'm curious why the grudge against them?

I don't either, but it's because it's the kind'a industry where they just don't unionize, but sometimes I kind'a wish they would, because if they did, I'd make it part of the deal that if they goof up they can be held accountable by their own union supervisor for making them all look bad.

I wonder if it would end up being like when plantation owners would appoint African foremen, who would go on to develop reputations for being the hardest, most bad-ass foremen of them all.
 

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Hmm... then I'm curious why the grudge against them?

I don't either, but it's because it's the kind'a industry where they just don't unionize, but sometimes I kind'a wish they would, because if they did, I'd make it part of the deal that if they goof up they can be held accountable by their own union supervisor for making them all look bad.

I wonder if it would end up being like when plantation owners would appoint African foremen, who would go on to develop reputations for being the hardest, most bad-ass foremen of them all.

I want the lowest wage workers for the hardest work.
 

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I want the lowest wage workers for the hardest work.

That's creepy. I could never boss like that, and I know if I tried it would just backfire.

Mind, you, it's the kind of industry where the help has to be skilled, so... you must be in an industry where the work could be done by robots if the technology existed.

I dunno, is it just me who likes it better when the staff are happy? It's not a large operation - six including me - and we all share an open space, so I don't have a private office - just the desk back in the corner furthest from the door - and I don't pay myself much more than anyone else - a few perks of privilege, but not much - and on good years most of the surplus just gets bonused out (which hasn't happened in a while... damn I wish this recession would just *stop*... someone should have strung up those goldmania-sackers on Wall street with piano wire... good thing I like what I do... pthhh).

The only thing I'm a special hard-ass about is that they show up. I don't care if it's a slow day and we're ahead of schedule and it's sunny out - we'll play networked video-game tournaments if it's time for a break - but everyone show's up, and if you've got a cold there's an assortment of cold medicines in the back for every combination of symptoms.

And if you're wondering how I find the time on a work day to post to forums, it's because the load comes and goes and it's been slow the last couple weeks because the client is dragging his arse on some specs, which I don't understand because he's going to be paying for the time anyway, and last week I was watched two of the guys do a long quest with Diablo while I was typing.

That might sound exotic, but wait until there's a deadline... then it's 12-14 hour days round the clock seven days a week... and yes, I'm in the office now because weekends don't exist for me - which means I *hate* the way banks and the frikkin' post office shut down on weekends - and although I don't make people come in on weekends, two of them are here just because there's nothing else to do and they want to get to the next level in Diablo... oh wait... they say it's Warcraft.

In any case, way more gets done when everyone's content. Sometimes we get rushes where everyone has to put in long hours with extra push, and they just wouldn't if they're weren't feeling it was worth it, and I do *not* see how "stress" is supposed to inspire people to push harder.

Hmm... maybe it's because I don't get a thrill out of being "the man". To me, supervising staff is mostly a chore, but I've noticed with some when put in charge of a project team that being bossy can really go to their head.

I think the diff is, I like what I do. It was when I did not like what I was doing that I'd get obsesses about how much money I was getting for it as the seconds of my life ticked away, so my hunch is, Avro's not happy in his industry.

Anyway, maybe it's not so much I wish they'd unionize, but that they had a proper professional association, the way doctors and lawyers do. It's frankly *unbelievable* how all over the map their skills will be, yet on paper will all look equally great. You *can't* trust references (teacher references are the worst - the dumbest guy I ever had came with grades all above the 90s with glowing reviews from the teachers) and even former employers who dumped them won't give an accurate picture unless you happen to know them and you take them out for a beer and swear everything to secrecy.

I've been told I have a "Swedish style" of management, which is not inspiring because I've also been told Swedish managers are the most boring people on the planet, but speaking of Sweden and unions and wages and Avro's tyrannical joy squeezing workers until they bleed...

Did you know that Sweden, for all it's social justice and egalitarianism, has *no* legislated minimum wage?
 
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CDNBear

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That's creepy. I could never boss like that, and I know if I tried it would just backfire big-time.
Don't kid yourself, it doesn't work. The turn over, would be outrageous. Not to mention Avro is a member of CUPE and even if he is a lead hand, he can't treat people as callously as he's presenting here.
 

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Avro said:

Yeah that really hurts....especially since I have openly admitted to it on here already.

A lot of people don't know that modern socialism as pioneered by Sweden was invented specifically to stop the spread of Bolshevism into Sweden, which is why you'll notice that Communists hate Socialists more than they hate Capitalists.

When Communists take over, the first ones they round up are the Socialists.