U.N. Employees Beheaded Over Quran Burning

BaalsTears

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You forgot to include the right-wing hero George W Bush.

And the issue of free speech was only raised by you and no one said you could not exercise that right here, the issue being discussed was the reasons the beheadings took place.

Bush isn't a right wing hero. Bush was stupid and soft. Let Bush and Obama swing from the gallows together. That doesn't bother me in the least.

Yes I raised the issue of free speech because the burning of the Holy Quran was an exercise of free speech. And as a member of this forum I have a right to raise the subject of free speech.
 

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They used deception to meet their goals, no wonder they are called terrorists. BTW "Which way to the Alamo?" is what one was said to be chanting. If they can use that for grounds for a march then we give them enough material for 100 marches per day.

Luckily the solution is easy, send the Rev over there to burn it in front of them. May I suggest the pedophile ones go first.

Bush isn't a right wing hero. Bush was stupid and soft. Let Bush and Obama swing from the gallows together. That doesn't bother me in the least.

Yes I raised the issue of free speech because the burning of the Holy Quran was an exercise of free speech. And as a member of this forum I have a right to raise the subject of free speech.
Now the next one to burn some know some people will be killed because of it. Which way do you think the game should go?
 

BaalsTears

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Free speech is as important to me as the Five Pillars of Islam is to a devout Muslim. If an American wants to burn the Holy Quran, he or she should feel free to do so. If a devout Muslim wishes to observe his or her faith, he or she should be free to do so.
 

Mowich

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I say we should be in Afghanistan, and should remain there until we get
Bin Laden. I think we should also go after the gang in Libya.

I do not agree with you on this, DG. Were it not for our committment - our word to NATO - I would have every single member of our Armed Forces on home ground, yesterday. I will be very glad when the bulk of our forces return this summer and question the thinking behind leaving a 'teaching force behind.' As the U.S. also plans on bringing home a large number of their troops this summer, our Canadian men and women could find themselves targeted more than ever - no matter what they are doing over there.

I would never, ever agree to Canada sending troops into Libya.
 

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this is far as i got before........

shadowshiv[....we reap what we sew.


QUOTE=shadowshiv;1402856]I think that people that do these sorts of atrocities would do them regardless if religion was tied into it or not. It takes a "special" kind of person to be able to do those kinds of acts.[/QUOTE]
 

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Actually no I do not think Bin Laden is still there and has not been for some time,
it is my way of saying until we have routed the insurgents we stay. To me Bin
Laden is only a symbol of this rabble like the statement on a T shirt.
As for Saudi radicals operating inside the United States that is only partly true.
These radicals had their way paid by those people in Afghanistan or agents of
those in Afghanistan. As someone who leans toward the social democratic scale
on many issues, certainly not all, I have a hard time advocating for conflict on the
world stage. Sometimes though it does have to be and I consider the Islamic
problem every bit as serious as the Nazi problem was in the 20TH century.
Unchecked and Unchallenged, is something that always catches up with us in the
end.
It also troubles me because I like many others have family members who are in the
service and there are a few on the front lines mostly from eastern Canada. I don't
want to see them killed or wounded but the stakes are high here. When we are
confronted by people who don't want little girls to read and write or when they will
use their offices to murder people because they don't agree with their lifestyle,
I say we have to push those people back under the rocks they crawled out from.
I also think it is time we developed an immigration policy that screens creeps like
this out of our country.
Like I said else where I am left on some some issues and right on others, and
Afghanistan is one of those cases where we have to be engaged, even my peace
monger wife agrees with my position on this, surprisingly enough.
 

PoliticalNick

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Free speech is as important to me as the Five Pillars of Islam is to a devout Muslim. If an American wants to burn the Holy Quran, he or she should feel free to do so. If a devout Muslim wishes to observe his or her faith, he or she should be free to do so.

I thought your Supreme court had recognized the difference between free speech, which is expressing a view or an opinion, and promoting hatred and violence, hence the 'hate-crime'. Any action against an individual or group based upon their different beliefs is considered a hate-crime.

The open encouragment of burning a book because it holds the religious beliefs of a group of people would I think fall into this category.
 

Cliffy

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I do not agree with you on this, DG. Were it not for our committment - our word to NATO - I would have every single member of our Armed Forces on home ground, yesterday. I will be very glad when the bulk of our forces return this summer and question the thinking behind leaving a 'teaching force behind.' As the U.S. also plans on bringing home a large number of their troops this summer, our Canadian men and women could find themselves targeted more than ever - no matter what they are doing over there.

I would never, ever agree to Canada sending troops into Libya.
Well, it is too bad that someone else is making those decisions for us. Even though you are a professed conservative, I would vote for you.
 

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There's extreme irony here. Julian Assange does something that he should reasonably know will put others at risk, and people on this forum are calling for his death. A pastor burns a book which he should reasonably know will put others at risk, and we get free speech apologists.

Wait, one letter too far in the alphabet; it's not ironic, it's hypocritical.
 

PoliticalNick

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....I consider the Islamic problem every bit as serious as the Nazi problem was in the 20TH century.

Considering that there are about 1.5 billion muslims in the world and most of them just want to be left alone to live their lives as they see fit I find your portrayal of the actions and beliefs of a few radicals as an 'Islamic' problem with them all to be closed-minded and offensive.

I personally have an issue with the US government policies on their role in the middle east and acting as world police but I don't call it a 'christian' problem. I could also compare the US attempts at world domination to the Nazis far more easily than I could the Islamic world in general.
 

BaalsTears

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I thought your Supreme court had recognized the difference between free speech, which is expressing a view or an opinion, and promoting hatred and violence, hence the 'hate-crime'. Any action against an individual or group based upon their different beliefs is considered a hate-crime.

The open encouragment of burning a book because it holds the religious beliefs of a group of people would I think fall into this category.

One can advocate violence or hate as an abstract matter, but one can't call for immediate violence such as inciting a lynch mob. The US Supreme Court has never ruled on the question of hate speech as speech itself. Some day it probably will rule on the issue.

I am free to say that Islam is evil and that its adherents should be wiped from the face of the earth. I am not free to say that the Muslim fellow standing next to me in the elevator should be shot. That's a personal threat that is verboten. The Quran burning preacher is free to burn the book. He has no right to urge a crowd to kill a Muslim who might be observing the act of Quran burning.

Considering that there are about 1.5 billion muslims in the world and most of them just want to be left alone to live their lives as they see fit I find your portrayal of the actions and beliefs of a few radicals as an 'Islamic' problem with them all to be closed-minded and offensive.

I personally have an issue with the US government policies on their role in the middle east and acting as world police but I don't call it a 'christian' problem. I could also compare the US attempts at world domination to the Nazis far more easily than I could the Islamic world in general.

I think America should stay out of the affairs of everyone in the eastern hemisphere. But I have a very big problem with Americans who are terrorists. Anwar al Awlaki and Nidal Malik Hasan come to mind. They are very much the enemy. Domestic terrorism is a major problem in America.
 

PoliticalNick

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One can advocate violence or hate as an abstract matter, but one can't call for immediate violence such as inciting a lynch mob. The US Supreme Court has never ruled on the question of hate speech as speech itself. Some day it probably will rule on the issue.

I am free to say that Islam is evil and that its adherents should be wiped from the face of the earth. I am not free to say that the Muslim fellow standing next to me in the elevator should be shot. That's a personal threat that is verboten. The Quran burning preacher is free to burn the book. He has no right to urge a crowd to kill a Muslim who might be observing the act of Quran burning.
I would think saying that all muslims should be wiped out would be promoting killing them and therefore not an exercise of free speech.

It sounds quite hypocritical to be allowed to encourage the killing of an entire creed but not the killing of an individual person. People have been tried and convicted for carrying out what you claim it is OK to promote.
I think America should stay out of the affairs of everyone in the eastern hemisphere.
We can at least agree on this.
 

Cliffy

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One can advocate violence or hate as an abstract matter, but one can't call for immediate violence such as inciting a lynch mob. The US Supreme Court has never ruled on the question of hate speech as speech itself. Some day it probably will rule on the issue.

I am free to say that Islam is evil and that its adherents should be wiped from the face of the earth. I am not free to say that the Muslim fellow standing next to me in the elevator should be shot. That's a personal threat that is verboten. The Quran burning preacher is free to burn the book. He has no right to urge a crowd to kill a Muslim who might be observing the act of Quran burning.



I think America should stay out of the affairs of everyone in the eastern hemisphere. But I have a very big problem with Americans who are terrorists. Anwar al Awlaki and Nidal Malik Hasan come to mind. They are very much the enemy. Domestic terrorism is a major problem in America.

The Pentagon is a major world terrorist organization - front men for your military/industrial complex. If it wasn't for US foreign policy there would be no terrorists pissed at you.
 

BaalsTears

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I would think saying that all muslims should be wiped out would be promoting killing them and therefore not an exercise of free speech.

It sounds quite hypocritical to be allowed to encourage the killing of an entire creed but not the killing of an individual person. People have been tried and convicted for carrying out what you claim it is OK to promote.

We can at least agree on this.

Speech in Canada is not as robust and unrestrained as in America. Here's something for you to think about: Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Pentagon is a major world terrorist organization - front men for your military/industrial complex. If it wasn't for US foreign policy there would be no terrorists pissed at you.

Blame Generalissimo Obama, the Scourge of the Maghreb. Canada is hip deep in doggy doo. One of your fellow citizens commands the bombing of innocent Libyan civilians. What are you going to do about it? Rise up and wipe the doggy doo from your shoo.
 

PoliticalNick

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Speech in Canada is not as robust and unrestrained as in America. Here's something for you to think about: Piss Christ - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While I find the idea a little distasteful I can't say it is promoting violence or killing so is quite welcome as free expression. I don't agree with any pulic funding of arts at all so I can understand the response of some who oppose this but the opposition to the public funding should not be applied to this piece alone.

Blame Generalissimo Obama, the Scourge of the Maghreb. Canada is hip deep in doggy doo. One of your fellow citizens commands the bombing of innocent Libyan civilians. What are you going to do about it? Rise up and wipe the doggy doo from your shoo.

Believe me, my MP and the leadership of our governmnet are recieving multiple daily emails from me regarding this issue and none of them are supportive or complimentary in any way.
 

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yeah, the underlying reasons are they are fanatic followers of a lunatic death cult.

Geezus.
Is your lifestyle blood free?

The Pentagon is a major world terrorist organization - front men for your military/industrial complex. If it wasn't for US foreign policy there would be no terrorists pissed at you.
If the Pentagon openly admitted they created and control al Qaeda and it's actions would anyone believe it?
 

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Freedom of speech is the principle that we enjoy the right to express our thoughts and opinions without the threat of persecution or censorship. It's a principle that I feel very strongly about, regardless of the opinion being expressed. I do not have to agree with the opinion being expressed, in point of fact I do not personally agree with what the Florida pastor did. My personal opinion is that the guy is an idiot, I listened to his enough of his rhetoric the last time and really think he's just looking for his 15 minutes. That's my opinion, and I'm free to express it.

As for the deaths of the UN workers, that was a result of a mob mentality whipped up to a frenzy by the Iman in that mosque as a response to the video of the Q'uran burning. A more appropriate response would have been to burn the Bible. Instead, this incident was used as a launching pad to inflame the anger and frustration that exists from almost 10 years of war and turmoil and directed, or misdirected it towards the UN compound. That is what is unacceptable and inexcusable. It is not a reflection on all Afghani's nor is it a reflection on all citizens of the middle east.
 

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It is also quite likely a lot of people that were in that 'mob' also had dealings in some fashion with the UN, like having friends and relatives killed and mangled who had nothing to do with 'causing harm'. How many civilians can we kill before they can justifiably strike back at us.

Has the Pastor done any updates after knowing his 'antics' are putting troops in danger?
 

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I see the nutters are alive and well...

There's extreme irony here. Julian Assange does something that he should reasonably know will put others at risk, and people on this forum are calling for his death. A pastor burns a book which he should reasonably know will put others at risk, and we get free speech apologists.

Wait, one letter too far in the alphabet; it's not ironic, it's hypocritical.
BS...

1, No one should get so upset that beheading someone is a reasonable reaction.
2, Stealing military secrets, is guaranteed to endanger someone somewhere.

BTW: My opening remark excludes you Ton.

Is your lifestyle blood free?
No ones is.