Should the Green Party be asked to a Leadership Debate

[JLM]

Yes you do have to "add" a little bit.

To maintain balance, you return to the soil all the elements you extracted when you picked and ate the food - saving some seeds - which means returning your excrement back to the soil in a safe, post-echoli decomposed form, and you put in some seeds.

It's now balanced, but you're right, nothing will happen unless you add something...

You *add* energy from the sun.

And a little chemical fertilizer does absolutely no harm. People have to understand that chemical substances are natural.

 

[Omicron]

And a little chemical fertilizer does absolutely no harm. People have to understand that chemical substances are natural.

Yeah, but that's only necessary when you don't have a "closed system", where everything is recycled.

I know some guys avid about it, and their techniques are interesting... they have isobaric maps of their land describing the organic purity of each successive ring, and what the rate of ground-water movement and leach-factor is happening, but still, even in the districts farmed by guys with zero obsession about organics and who do things however works best for the bottom line, chemical fertilizers and all, they don't have the leach factor affecting places back east... the rivers here are all still basically blue-black.

I didn't really understand in a deep-down way how un-closed a system could be until I spent a couple years in Ottawa.

At first I was first stunned, and then creeped by something the locals took for granted... their rivers are brown. Not dark brown... an opaque walnut coloured brown.

I wanted to gag the first time I saw it. Evidently it's been that way for so long the locals don't see anything strange about it. It was a mental upheaval to rethink rivers as something I couldn't wade in nor drop a line into for fish.

Their farmers *must* chemically fertilize every year, and with lots of it too.

I asked the locals what made the water brown. At first they didn't know what I was talking about. They'd never seen water that was not brown. They didn't know. Opinion was divided between soil and decomposed organic material.

Whatever they're doing and however they're doing it, it's definitely not sustainable.

 

[JLM]

Yeah, but that's only necessary when you don't have a "closed system", where everything is recycled.

I know some guys avid about it, and their techniques are interesting... they have isobaric maps of their land describing the organic purity of each successive ring, and what the rate of ground-water movement and leach-factor is happening, but still, even in the districts farmed by guys with zero obsession about organics and who do things however works best for the bottom line, chemical fertilizers and all, they don't have the leach factor affecting places back east... the rivers here are all still basically blue-black.

I didn't really understand in a deep-down way how un-closed a system could be until I spent a couple years in Ottawa.

At first I was first stunned, and then creeped by something the locals took for granted... their rivers are brown. Not dark brown... an opaque walnut coloured brown.

I wanted to gag the first time I saw it. Evidently it's been that way for so long the locals don't see anything strange about it. It was a mental upheaval to rethink rivers as something I couldn't wade in nor drop a line into for fish.

Their farmers *must* chemically fertilize every year, and with lots of it too.

I asked the locals what made the water brown. At first they didn't know what I was talking about. They'd never seen water that was not brown. They didn't know. Opinion was divided between soil and decomposed organic material.

Whatever they're doing and however they're doing it, it's definitely not sustainable.

I understand that everything potentially finds the lowest level (rivers and lakes and eventually the ocean) and that is where the chemicals tend to end up but so does chicken sh*t and cow sh*t.

 

[Omicron]

I understand that everything potentially finds the lowest level (rivers and lakes and eventually the ocean) and that is where the chemicals tend to end up but so does chicken sh*t and cow sh*t.

Not necessarily.

I have a friend with 230 acres who ranches cattle and chickens.

He's divided his property into four fenced zones.
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He lets the grass grow on all three zones, and when it's high and at the point where it starts choking itself he moves in the cattle to one of them, say zone A.

They graze, and dump manure.

When the cattle have grazed the grass down to a point where they're eating it to the dust, he moves the cattle to zone B, and brings in the chickens, living from coups on wheels.

The chickens run around picking the worms out of the cow manure. For a week or two after dumped, most cow manure gets eaten by fly-larva, and chickens love larva. The chicken dump their chicken-sh!t all aver the place, which happens to be the best fertilizer for grass.

When the chickens have eaten as many of the larva as the cow manure is going to produce, he rotates again, and leaves the pasture to grow back.

Doing it that way has dropped his chemical fertilizer requirements to almost zero. He might do a light dusting with the stuff if he sees a patch or two growing out of sync with the rest of the pasture, but he figures he only uses 1-3% of the chemical fertilizer he used to use.

The cattle he uses mostly for milk, or for veal from the surplus male calves, or for beef when they look like they're getting past their prime as milkers. Because they're past their prime when he culls, the meat isn't as "tender" as younger cows, but he doesn't care, because he makes most of it into sausage, because that keeps better.

For the chickens it's pretty much the same story. He collects lots of eggs that are really good because the hens are fed on natural larva, and he culls the young roosters because they fight too much and you only need one. The young roosters he pan fries, and they are *very* tasty, and the old hens he makes into chicken soup.

He eats well, his soil has a high organic rating so he can charge a premium when he takes his milk, meat and eggs to market, and he saves a fortune on chemical fertilizers.

And by the way (and this is where it bugs me when people like to systematically beat-up on America as if it's the incarnation of Lucifer on earth) he got the idea listening to American PBS. He *should* have got the idea listening to CBC, but he didn't (*ahem* to CBC :evil3.

 

[JLM]

Not necessarily.

I have a friend with 230 acres who ranches cattle and chickens.

He's divided his property into four fenced zones.
.
He lets the grass grow on all three zones, and when it's high and at the point where it starts choking itself he moves in the cattle to one of them, say zone A.

They graze, and dump manure.

When the cattle have grazed the grass down to a point where they're eating it to the dust, he moves the cattle to zone B, and brings in the chickens, living from coups on wheels.

The chickens run around picking the worms out of the cow manure. For a week or two after dumped, most cow manure gets eaten by fly-larva, and chickens love larva. The chicken dump their chicken-sh!t all aver the place, which happens to be the best fertilizer for grass.

When the chickens have eaten as many of the larva as the cow manure is going to produce, he rotates again, and leaves the pasture to grow back.

Doing it that way has dropped his chemical fertilizer requirements to almost zero. He might do a light dusting with the stuff if he sees a patch or two growing out of sync with the rest of the pasture, but he figures he only uses 1-3% of the chemical fertilizer he used to use.

The cattle he uses mostly for milk, or for veal from the surplus male calves, or for beef when they look like they're getting past their prime as milkers. Because they're past their prime when he culls, the meat isn't as "tender" as younger cows, but he doesn't care, because he makes most of it into sausage, because that keeps better.

For the chickens it's pretty much the same story. He collects lots of eggs that are really good because the hens are fed on natural larva, and he culls the young roosters because they fight too much and you only need one. The young roosters he pan fries, and they are *very* tasty, and the old hens he makes into chicken soup.

He eats well, his soil has a high organic rating so he can charge a premium when he takes his milk, meat and eggs to market, and he saves a fortune on chemical fertilizers.

And by the way (and this is where it bugs me when people like to systematically beat-up on America as if it's the incarnation of Lucifer on earth) he got the idea listening to American PBS. He *should* have got the idea listening to CBC, but he didn't (*ahem* to CBC :evil3.

I've got no problem with that- I was remiss in not saying "if Nature runs it's course". :smile:

 

[Omicron]

I've got no problem with that- I was remiss in not saying "if Nature runs it's course". :smile:

I'm sure you were.

Now... I'm going to pretend I'm an ice skater trying to make a mark...


Pretend I've got some knuckle pieces in my hands so I can roll around and skate on my knuckles...

Same technology as brass knuckles, only blades.

http://tunes.digitalock.com/Will.I.Am-AlexOnTheSpot.mp3

I will skate around the ice then do the secret Canadian whirl of doing the reverse cartwheel on his brass knuckle skates.

It's still a secret.

The only I told are the crown.

F-ck off Avro,

**** you all, I can see none of you have been going to church.


I you had he would be getting you ready for after your body dies. God saves souls worth saving...

http://tunes.digitalock.com/enyaadiemus.mp3

Ron just told me to shut up.


Okay.


http://tunes.digitalock.com/TSO-carolofthebells.mp3


I bet I love God more than you.

 

[Ron in Regina]

No....Ron asked you, "What the Hell is this?", and what did it have to do
with the Thread topic, etc....via a Private Message, which you decided
to not respond to, and plopped the above add-on to your post above.

I'm still confused, by the way. I bet you do love God more that I do too,
but what on Earth does that have to do with the Green Party & the
Leadership debates? Seriously?

Ah Hell. I'm going to bed. Maybe this'll make more sense to me in the light of day.

 

[Omicron]

Ron told me to shut up.


You guys gotta see how I used that in Chicago.

Then spun in unto Charlston, NC

I got the NC cops to take care of me on a bender because I explained to the cop how the girls before him were elling the truth, and no matter what you thin I jdo not iknow how to kill Lucifer ytou obviosuly don't know anyt8ingf...

 

[Ron in Regina]

What? OK, Green Party....Leadership Debates...that's the Thread here...

Buddy, are you drunk? **** it. I'll look at this in the morning. Maybe you
should too.

 

[Omicron]

I dug out of being Mormon.


First I have this: http://tunes.digitalock.com/italktoyou.mp3

Then I have this: http://tunes.digitalock.com/sadness.mp3

When I have a system of construction so good, the problem is no north American construction worker has ever done wrong.

Read history. No North American construction worker has ever done wrong.

 

[In Between Man]

I dug out of being Mormon.

Seriously?

 

[Omicron]

Seriously?

How would you like a finger up you ass and you never loverd nor did anyting for God.,

 

[Ron in Regina]

How would you like a finger up you ass and you never loverd nor did anyting for God.,

OK Buddy. Benefit if the doubt. I'm assuming you're drunk, and just not a
complete and total arsehole.

Take a break, get some sleep, Read through the "Terms of Service," and
try again tomorrow. This is dumb. It's very late.

 

[Cliffy]

OK Buddy. Benefit if the doubt. I'm assuming you're drunk, and just not a
complete and total arsehole.

Take a break, get some sleep, Read through the "Terms of Service," and
try again tomorrow. This is dumb. It's very late.

Bit of a Jeckle and Hyde he be. Thankless job ya got there Ron. Have a good night and pleasant dreams.

 

[CDNBear]

Ah Hell. I'm going to bed. Maybe this'll make more sense to me in the light of day.

I doubt it. I'm wide awake and it still looks like something spat out by a drunk chimp!

Ron told me to shut up.

You really should heed wise advice.

You guys gotta see how I used that in Chicago.

I'm sure it was as entertaining as your pposts.

Then spun in unto Charlston, NC

Sideways, three sheets to the wind I'm sure.

OK Buddy. Benefit if the doubt. I'm assuming you're drunk, and just not a
complete and total arsehole.

Drunk or not, that latter is an accurate description. At least that 's where he gets his posts anyways.

Well I guess we should be thankful he wasn't spitting out his usual drival about Montreal Joo peophiles and Jooesses, lol.