Well, it is beginning to look like I might not be alive to see it finally paid. Having said that what year do you think Iggy or Layton would get it paid off?
Do The Conservatives Deserve Another Chance?
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Well, it is beginning to look like I might not be alive to see it finally paid. Having said that what year do you think Iggy or Layton would get it paid off?
Does it really matter when the stuff is worthless anyway? Money is just binary code floating around in the ether. The fiat system is only based on dept so, if we paid off the dept, we would be broke. The deeper is dept we are, the richer we are. That is how much sense it all makes. Until we get back to a resource based currency, we are just farting in the wind but somehow the dickheads that thought up this system have convinced everybody that we are slaves to dept, that somehow we owe them something for nothing and everybody bought the stupid ploy.
It don't matter, the interest is over $33 billion a year. We don't have a snowball's chance no matter who is in.
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We haven't really given them a chance have we? They kinda took it themselves.
Actually it was 3 years before Karzai became president that the Taliban signed on to that pipeline. Karzai reaffirmed it. Construction hasn't started yet.
Actually it was 3 years before Karzai became president that the Taliban signed on to that pipeline. Karzai reaffirmed it. Construction hasn't started yet.
Their promises were for weak and ineffectual policies to begin with, which is why I'm not voting for them. With all of their chances, all that they do is create more wedge issues that continue to divide this country.
>>>>>>>I do have a sidebar quickie question though - My nextdoor neighbour is my (Cons) MP. Is it inappropriate to put another party''s signs on my lawn right beside his own signs for himself, since he is a neighbour too, though I'm not on personal terms with him.
Well, that's just it Cliff, like I said we owe the money to ourselves and it's better in our pockets anyway as we spend it more sensibly than any Gov't does buying it's members $25 breakfasts. :lol:
Moron, the debt is at $559,530,100,000.00 and counting. Racking up over $1000 per second. And you figure you're going to pay this off in a couple of years or something? That's almost $17,000 for every man woman and child in Canada, so the question is, exactly when are you going to pay off your portion of the debt? Since you don't understand the difference between debt and deficit that is.
Martin was paying down the debt after balancing the books and getting rid of the last conservative government's huge deficit. Now that we're dumping a record $50,000,000 a year onto that debt with this mismanagement of the nations purse, cutting taxes to buy elections, we end up with less money to do what we need to do, and have to raise taxes to manage any emergencies that come our way in the future.
Blowing money you don't have is stupid and stupid people go along with it right up until it's time to pay up.
Premature mess. That's funny. I am not counting the Conservatives out just yet, election day is a long way off. Even if the conservatives don't get into majority territory, the fact is that other parties are still going to lose. Unfortunately this will cost us approximately $300,000,000.00 to return to the same government we had before.
Who are you voting for? The Black Block?
Moron? Really? I think that adjective fits you a lot better than me. Who says I don't know the difference between debt and deficit? Cliff has it in proper perspective. Who does the Gov't owe this money to anyway?
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Yup. Looks like we'll be in the exact same spot as before.
I think this is a clear depiction that nobody actually discusses politics, but instead, just mills along with their 'brand of choice'. Looks like the Toronto Maple Canadians are gonna win the cup again.
Aren't you glad our government is spending so much on attack ads?
Yeah moron, that's why I called you that. You make it clear that you don't understand the difference between debt and deficit in what you posted. If we took all the taxes collected in a year and instead of paying for any federal program at all and put the whole wad toward the debt, we still would be in debt. No CPP, no EI no military, no police, no government, no nothing. That is how much in debt we are.
New prisons and jet fighters while were in so deep is the kind of stupid that gets your home repossessed. Forget screwing the kids future, the Neocons are working like hell to screw up our own future.
Yeah bozo, deficit nor debt. Go look it up.
Those are paid for by the parties.
SK Premier Brad Wall says he isn't, as a Conservative going to support Harper Conservatives. Says he's staying neutral. After being ****ed in the ass I'd pull up my pants drop my support too.
In defense of the HST, I say we must cut back spending first. Withdrawing from the G20 is something I'd support, scrapping the F35 purchases I can support. But until that is done, reducing taxes and increasing spending on education, etc. is out of the question.
It's bizarre, isn't it.
Since 18 I knew to read each party's policy statements each time because, yes Virginia, their policies do change from election to election - *especially* on the provincial level - and I knew to vote for the candidate and note the leader.
But it turned out to be atypical. I was trained to do that by my dad, but I learned that most of the people around me had been trained by their parents to vote for the party their parents voted for, no questions asked, and I learned how in so many cases they were utterly clueless what kind of machinating Wall Street types they were enabling to gut their economy under a facade of a democratic will-of-the-people.
They would even define their voting habit in regional terms. Sometimes I would ask someone at a party who they were going to vote for, and the answer would be, "I'm from Alberta", as if that was supposed to explain it.
In their minds it did. In their minds you couldn't call yourself an Albertan unless you voted for the party your parents told you to, and *none* of them had the foggiest clue what their "Alberta" party actually stood for. All they could do was parrot a few simple platitudes "unions are bad and big business is good", and they'd go postal if you mentioned in the friendliest and most offhand way possible that unions are why we used to have a middle-class until the Plutocrats got the Regan/Bush era rolling.
It was somewhat discombobulating to learn. I grew up as a loner - I didn't start socializing until University - so I really didn't know what others I'd see on the street did and did not know... but I had presumed it was pretty much the same as myself... we'd all gone to the sames schools.
When it started to sink in just how sheep-like the voting habit of my compatriots were, it caused me to develop a theory that if their behavior was typical of most humans, then that could explain why multinational corporations are very okay about pushing for any country they do business with to become a democracy.
If a country is being ruled by a dictator, the multinational corp always runs the risk that it's a benevolent dictator, which is the most efficient and effective form of government, and a benevolent dictator might force the multinational to behave itself.
Further, a dictator, benevolent or not, might decide to seize and nationalize the assets of the multinational.
Therefor, I hypothesized, if an average human votes the way the people I grew up with do, all a multinational has to do is foment a revolution against the dictator and replace it with an amenable democracy, and then move in the Madison Ave. guys to design and implement advertizing campaigns to make the majority of citizens of a country feel like the multinational is there because the people want it there, and if the multinational is discovered to be a crook, then their presence can be blamed back on the people for having voted for policies allowing them in.
I've refined my views since then - I was just a kid - but man oh man, sometimes...
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Put up 2 or 3 and make them really big. This is a free country and it is highly appropriate for you to express your displeasure with his actions and record whether he is your neighbor or not. In fact him being your neighbor might make it hit home even more.
It is owed to the bank and investment firms. Through the investment firms it is owed to many pension plans who buy Govt bonds.
When the govt need money it has to issue bonds or Tbills for sale on the open market to raise revenue.
These instruments are purchased by banks and investors as interest bearing assets. At the end of their term these bonds are redeemable for the face value + interest. If the govt doesn't have the money in the bank to pay it has to issue more bonds to raise revenue to pay for the old bonds. It is really a vicious cycle that is designed to keep us in debt.
There is nothing to actually back these bonds except for the good faith credit of the govt. The solution proposed by some is that instead of the govt issuing bonds it just issue money. The theory being that if they can issue a $20 bond they can issue a $20 bill. this is something the banks are very scared of and will fight with every means available because it removes interest fro the process which is how they make their money.
To try to make it easier to understand right now every $20 bill represents $20 in bonds + the interest owed on the bond therfore your $20 bill is only worth about $18.50.
That is why we have inflation, to make the value of your payment equal to the actual value of what you are purchasing. When a business has an item worth $20 it has to charge $22 to actally balance the true value of the money to the value of the product.