Do The Conservatives Deserve Another Chance?

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

There is nothing wrong with a coalition forming government.
BUT, to be legitament, they MUST get their mandate from the people to govern, ie tell the people your a coalition and let the people vote for you.

Well the way it is set up is total bull. A Minority government can be toppled right after an election if the other parties agree on doing a coupe and the Governor General can hand over the keys to them. Doesn't matter what the people think.

Technically its legal, but it is so far from democratic I don't even know where to start.

That is one part of our parliament that should be done away with.

 

[Durry]

That is one part of our parliament that should be done away with.

I agree, maybe once Harper gets majority, he'll change it .

And I also want him to bring back his previous proposal where he stopped all parties from
Getting federal funding for their campaigning for their parties.

 

[JLM]

Give him a majority and see where we stand in a few years. He has almost broke the country financially, he is in contempt of parliament and therefor all of us. And his mega-prisons are not meant for real criminals, you can bet on that.[/QUOTE]

Well maybe they could be put to good use housing disgraced politicians. :lol:

 

[Durry]

And his mega-prisons are not meant for real criminals, l:

Yeah, he's going to use the prisons for the Libs who were involved with the Ad Scam!

40 million dollars will build a prison or two !!

 

[weaselwords]

The stimulus package was necessary to ensure we could suvive the down turn in the world economy.
As a result of his managment of the economy we are recovering very nicely. We are the best in the G8. The proof is in the pudding, as they say !!

Take the blinders off. Go back to Flaherty's fiscal statement of Nov 2008, in that document there was nothing regarding stimulus. Any thoughts of stimulus was forced on the Cons by "the reckless coalition" prior to & during the prorouging parliament the winter 2008-2009 & deeping world economic conditions during that period of time. Left to their own devices the Cons would "watched Rome burn" rather than pull 55B out of a hat.

 

[JLM]

Oh like Harper did when he chalked up a 55 billion deficit. Did someone poke out your eyes?

Yeah, but it's right in the pockets of us who are paying reducted taxes, right where it should be- now that money will be spent usefully buying products and sustaining jobs.

 

[weaselwords]

Yeah, but it's right in the pockets of us who are paying reducted taxes, right where it should be- now that money will be spent usefully buying products and sustaining jobs.

Where are my taxes reduced, my take home is less today than it was Dec 31/10. Oh, sustaining jobs like building new snowmobile runs, bridges & other construction programmes. Great for the trades & engineering houses, sure as heck doesn't do anything for the secondary manufacturing industries. What we do have for manufacturing are nebulous commitments for ancillary equipment for new aircraft that have grossly unrealistic cost estimates to the the tune of up to 13B according to Kevin Page's work ups.

 

[JLM]

Where are my taxes reduced, my take home is less today than it was Dec 31/10. Oh, sustaining jobs like building new snowmobile runs, bridges & other construction programmes. Great for the trades & engineering houses, sure as heck doesn't do anything for the secondary manufacturing industries. What we do have for manufacturing are nebulous commitments for ancillary equipment for new aircraft that have grossly unrealistic cost estimates to the the tune of up to 13B according to Kevin Page's work ups.

Much of the reduced taxes are those paid by seniors- the very people that Layton and Ignatieff tell us need help. Construction programs are very necessary in that they reduce the time vehicles are idling in traffic burning up fossil fuels, adding to transport costs and polluting the environment.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I absolutely love my Paint Shop Pro.

I'm going to see what the other leaders will bring.

Count Ignatieff

 

[TenPenny]

There is nothing wrong with a coalition forming government.
BUT, to be legitament, they MUST get their mandate from the people to govern, ie tell the people your a coalition and let the people vote for you.

Well, no. A coalition government needs to have a majority of members sitting in the House. Anyone who thinks that a coalition needs to be elected that way has a lack of knowledge of Canadian (and British) parliamentary history, and probably has simply swallowed the idiocy that Harper has been spewing ever since his idea of a coalition didn't fly. He might think we're stupid, but we're not.

 

[weaselwords]

Didn't say construction programmes weren't necessary, however I was under the impression "sustained" was the operative word & construction has fixed time frames. Sustained to me means secondary manufacturing jobs the jobs the Cons seem to be allowing to flee the country to other centers. When & if the Cons come up with a coherent "action plan" for the manufacturing sector of our I'll be more than happy to stand front & center until then its all smoke & mirrors. As far the seniors go those on the lower income area have never had a problem with taxes, the reductions you mention are reserves to those seniors who are already well off & could do without them.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Frankensteve. He means well but scares the sh*t out of everyone

Jack "The Grey" Layton he wants to probe you anally to fund all his spacey NDP ideas.

Count Ignatieff sucking the life blood out of any party, including the Liberal Party of Canada

Gilles Duceppe The Photo says it all

 

[PoliticalNick]

A brief look at Harper's 'economic stimulus'

$138 billion to the banks(more like 500 billion by the end of 2011). Through CMHC the government so far has bought $138 billion worth of high risk / high ratio mortgages from the banks in order to 'free up more credit' for the people who already have crippling debt loads.

15% corporate tax rate. Give the corporations more profit because this will allow the general population to spend more money...NOT!

Tax Free Day for corporations. There is a plan in the works, at the behest of major corps and banks to allow them to repatriate all their hidden offshore profits into Canada tax free. Most conservitive estimates put the tax revenue loss at around $95 billion.

As someone who has studied economics I have to call bull****. the way to stimulate any economy is from the bottom up. If you give the consumers more disposable income and they will spend it thus generating more demand for products and services which in turn allows for job creation to keep up with the increased demand and generates more tax revenue due to increased amount of transactions.

It's not rocket science, it is economics 101.

 

[TenPenny]

It's not rocket science, it is economics 101.

And one thing we know about economics, it's not a science. It's more like random guesses. Considering how well the economist in the PMs office does, I'm not sure anyone discussing politics would want to mention that they'd studied economics.

 

[PoliticalNick]

And one thing we know about economics, it's not a science. It's more like random guesses. Considering how well the economist in the PMs office does, I'm not sure anyone discussing politics would want to mention that they'd studied economics.

Actually economic principles are quite scientific and proven mathmatically. The PMO's spin on their interpretation of economic policy is just that...spin. Their view is skewed to be seen from a corporate/profit driven perspective while diregarding the underlyng mathmatical principle.

 

[lone wolf]

Harper may have gone to a different school to get his letters....

Harper, Stephen Joseph - The Canadian Encyclopedia

 

[Avro]

You may want to reduce your spectrum of ignorance and add such honourable members as forestry workers, fish and wildlife workers and literally thousands of employees who dedicate their lives to the care and protection of orphaned and mistreated children. Add to that the many inspectors who improve our chances of survival. Don't forget the creeps in the private sector who cheap out on home construction putting lives at risk for a quick buck. If you are uncertain check with Mike Holmes. :smile:

Nah, all of what you said could be contracted out or done through charities.

Heck, we could even contract out some police and use volenteers for firefighting instead of having some over paid union slob sitting in a fire house watching his flat screen waiting for the bell to ring.

We've got to reduce our debt and taxes right?

No one is spared.

If seniors can't afford their heating bills then they should sell their homes.

 

[TenPenny]

Actually economic principles are quite scientific and proven mathmatically. The PMO's spin on their interpretation of economic policy is just that...spin. Their view is skewed to be seen from a corporate/profit driven perspective while diregarding the underlyng mathmatical principle.

Economics is a social science, not a 'hard' science. Which, hopefully, any student of economics remembers from first year.

If seniors can't afford their heating bills then they should sell their homes.

Actually, they should live in larger groups, so the heating costs are shared.

If you can't afford your lifestyle, you need to change it.

 

[Avro]

Yeah, but it's right in the pockets of us who are paying reducted taxes, right where it should be- now that money will be spent usefully buying products and sustaining jobs.

Wow, there's a lesson in economics folks.

Just over spend like your governemnt does and everything will be fine.

Just don't pick up the phone when your creditors call.

Actually, they should live in larger groups, so the heating costs are shared.

If you can't afford your lifestyle, you need to change it.

That's right, they sure don't need a tax cut when they have equity.

 

[Cannuck]

Smart people spend only after they have the money to spend !!

The current government didn't do that. Just how long has it been since a Conservative government only spent money after they had money to spend? The only one that tried in my lifetime was the Clark government and the party dumped him pretty quick.

Yup, it's laughable to hear Conservative supporters blather on about fiscal responsibility. Even south of the border, government has grown under every Republican Administration since at least WWII. Perhaps if they actually had some kind of record when it comes to fiscal responsibility, there bleating wouldn't sound so hollow.