Some spiritual observations
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Correction:
In the story that I wrote above: the correct sentence is:
"but to his surprise, he found his brother healthy"
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Night and day dark and light we all believe in god the light. The waning light lays you down in the eve and the rising light wakes you in the morn.
It created you it feeds you and it guides you. Break the rules and you burn. Obey and you live to transit. Still it's only the sun of God.
Night and day dark and light we all believe in god the light. The waning light lays you down in the eve and the rising light wakes you in the morn.
It created you it feeds you and it guides you. Break the rules and you burn. Obey and you live to transit. Still it's only the sun of God.
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So stalemate then?
It's all BS. The religious vs the atheist. I am not a religious person, nor am I an atheist in the true sense of the word. More agnostic perhaps. I do believe in a higher power so to speak but not in the way it's written down by man. It bothers me that former close friends who embrace one religion or another have shunned me because I don't believe like they do. Once again, religion, the great divider. How can they turn their backs on close friendships because I don't think like they do? I've certainly tried to reach out and keep these friendships going but when you're treated like the devil's spawn I guess it's time to pull back and let them live their perceived life of glory high on that pedestal. It's like they're all part of this cult and you can only get into their circle if you know the secret code. Well guess what, it only shows me they were not true friends in the first place and if I have to compromise my beliefs to maintain our friendship then we have nothing more to discuss. And I'll be darned if I'll allow them to look down their noses at me just because they feel they're above my station in life.
It's not so much a sense of loss when I think of these former friends, but more pity. I'm sure they feel the same way about me and therein lies the stalemate.
My 2c.....
It's all BS. The religious vs the atheist. I am not a religious person, nor am I an atheist in the true sense of the word. More agnostic perhaps. I do believe in a higher power so to speak but not in the way it's written down by man. It bothers me that former close friends who embrace one religion or another have shunned me because I don't believe like they do. Once again, religion, the great divider. How can they turn their backs on close friendships because I don't think like they do? I've certainly tried to reach out and keep these friendships going but when you're treated like the devil's spawn I guess it's time to pull back and let them live their perceived life of glory high on that pedestal. It's like they're all part of this cult and you can only get into their circle if you know the secret code. Well guess what, it only shows me they were not true friends in the first place and if I have to compromise my beliefs to maintain our friendship then we have nothing more to discuss. And I'll be darned if I'll allow them to look down their noses at me just because they feel they're above my station in life.
It's not so much a sense of loss when I think of these former friends, but more pity. I'm sure they feel the same way about me and therein lies the stalemate.
My 2c.....
I think in most cases it is a 'silly' decision for both atheist or believer if they
reject a 'would be friend' because of his belief/non belief, and something I really
don't understand at all.
Possibly some believers think they 'cannot', or are not 'allowed' to befriend a non believer,
not sure about that, depends on what religion they follow I guess, but for the non believer it
doesn't matter, there are no rules to follow, life is open for them and it is only 'them' who must
make that decision, as other atheists don't care one way or another, in most cases, and they have no
leaders they have to follow, unless they belong to some radical atheist organization, and I really don't
think many people even know such people.
There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know.
Donald Rumsfeld
Donald Rumsfeld
There are told tolds There are things he has told and things he has yet to tell. There are telling tolds. That is to say there are things that he told but but didn't tell. There are also untold tolds. These are things he doesn't know he told yet.
Talloola you may be onto something. Perhaps they're not 'allowed' to hang out with the non-believers. What a shame. So much for love and respect for your fellow man eh. Practice what you preach I say. This concept of "you're either with us or against us" mentality has gotten way out of hand.
Take it from me, I've told all I'm going to tell about the situation, Rumsfeld be damned.
“A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.”
- Jean Chretien
Take it from me, I've told all I'm going to tell about the situation, Rumsfeld be damned.
“A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.”
- Jean Chretien
So stalemate then?
It's all BS. The religious vs the atheist. I am not a religious person, nor am I an atheist in the true sense of the word. More agnostic perhaps. I do believe in a higher power so to speak but not in the way it's written down by man. It bothers me that former close friends who embrace one religion or another have shunned me because I don't believe like they do. Once again, religion, the great divider. How can they turn their backs on close friendships because I don't think like they do? I've certainly tried to reach out and keep these friendships going but when you're treated like the devil's spawn I guess it's time to pull back and let them live their perceived life of glory high on that pedestal. It's like they're all part of this cult and you can only get into their circle if you know the secret code. Well guess what, it only shows me they were not true friends in the first place and if I have to compromise my beliefs to maintain our friendship then we have nothing more to discuss. And I'll be darned if I'll allow them to look down their noses at me just because they feel they're above my station in life.
It's not so much a sense of loss when I think of these former friends, but more pity. I'm sure they feel the same way about me and therein lies the stalemate.
My 2c.....
People, from either side of the spectrum, that throw "friendships" or "possible friendships" out the window because of religious differences are really not worth being friends with. Those that profess to be "religious" and don't associate with people not of their particular religious persuasion are missing out on the opportunity ( at least) of a possible "conversion".
Personally, I have no problem with what someone else may "believe" and don't take that into consideration when "choosing" friends. Enassir saying that he doesn't associate with "non believers" is a BS statement because he is associating with "non believers" every time he posts or reply's.
That is true, but also not true, the fact that he associates in a way that is 'preaching' or stating
how he rises above those who don't believe, or, believes differently than most, must also make him feel justified
that he 'told us all where the bear sh*t in the buckwheat, but doesn't come anywhere near to exchanging
thoughts on the same level, or making an attempt to 'join' any of us in conversation.
Personally, in real life I've never lost a friend over non-belief or opposing view points. Online, I have walked away from people I counted as friends, who choose to mock and belittle others, but those haven't been people of faith. And the flip side, the religious zealots who rant about how death is deserved for non-believers... well... rarely do they get counted a friend in the first place.
The fact that he does reply to posts means he is associating. He may like to believe that he is not because he is sitting at home behind a computer screen, but today, that is not much different than sitting across a table from someone in the old days.
The light is not God; God created the light.
As in the Quran 6: 1
الْحَمْدُ لِلّهِ الَّذِي خَلَقَ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالأَرْضَ وَجَعَلَ الظُّلُمَاتِ وَالنُّورَ ثُمَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُواْ بِرَبِّهِم يَعْدِلُونَ
The explanation:
(Praise is [to be said] to God Who created the heavens and the earth, and appointed the darkness [of the night] and light [of the day];
yet do the unbelievers ascribe equals to their Lord.)
The light did not create me; it is God Who created me and all nations, and He is the Lord of nations and worlds.
In the beginning
Back in nineteen fifty five
Man didn't know 'bout a rock 'n' roll show
'N all that jive
The white man had the schmaltz
The black man had the blues
No one knew what they was gonna do
But Tschaikovsky had the news, he said
Let there be light, and there was light
Let there be sound, and there was sound
Let there be drums, there was drums
Let there be guitar, there was guitar, ah
Let there be rock
And it came to pass
That rock 'n' roll was born
All across the land every rockin' band
Was blowin' up a storm
And the guitar man got famous
The business man got rich
And in every bar there was a superstar
With a seven year itch
There was fifteen million fingers
Learnin' how to play
And you could hear the fingers pickin'
And this is what they had to say
Let there be light, sound, drums, 'n guitar, ah
Let there be rock
One night in a club called the Shakin' Hand
There was a 42 decibel rockin' band
And the music was good
And the music was loud
And the singer turned and he said to the crowd
Let there be rock
Back in nineteen fifty five
Man didn't know 'bout a rock 'n' roll show
'N all that jive
The white man had the schmaltz
The black man had the blues
No one knew what they was gonna do
But Tschaikovsky had the news, he said
Let there be light, and there was light
Let there be sound, and there was sound
Let there be drums, there was drums
Let there be guitar, there was guitar, ah
Let there be rock
And it came to pass
That rock 'n' roll was born
All across the land every rockin' band
Was blowin' up a storm
And the guitar man got famous
The business man got rich
And in every bar there was a superstar
With a seven year itch
There was fifteen million fingers
Learnin' how to play
And you could hear the fingers pickin'
And this is what they had to say
Let there be light, sound, drums, 'n guitar, ah
Let there be rock
One night in a club called the Shakin' Hand
There was a 42 decibel rockin' band
And the music was good
And the music was loud
And the singer turned and he said to the crowd
Let there be rock
When Muslims devoted themselves to God alone and broke up all the idols everywhere in Arabia --> God gave them pwoer and hand over their enemies, and Muslims became dignified and had the wisdom and prosperity.
Then when they disobeyed the commandments of their Lord, and they wronged each other --> they became enthusiastic about their imams and saints: taking them for their patrons --> so they associated their patron imams and saints together with God Most Gracious --> therefore God punished them and set on them their enemies to abase them and occupy their homeland and plunder their property.
So the enemies that were set by God on Muslims were:
1- The Crusades who came in the Abbasied period --> the Crusades occupied Palestine for about 150 years, then they retreated.
2- The Mog and Mogog: the Tatar and the Mongol --> these came and tear up the Muslim empires like the bread; they overcame Muslims not by aeroplanes, missiles and tanks; but merely by their long spears
3- The imperialism: they came and occupied the Muslim countries after the decline of the Uthmani empire.
4- The Zionism: Zionist Jews came from every country in the world and settled in Palestine
As in the Quran 17: 104
وَقُلْنَا مِن بَعْدِهِ لِبَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اسْكُنُواْ الأَرْضَ فَإِذَا جَاء وَعْدُ الآخِرَةِ جِئْنَا بِكُمْ لَفِيفًا
The explanation: (And - after him – We said to the Children of Israel “Sojourn in the land [of Canaan and Palestine], but when the promise of the last time [of your corruption] comes to pass We will bring you as multinational mass.)
The (لفيف) in Arabic means: a group from different countries, races and languages. Therefore, this aya has been fulfilled.
Now God has given Jews power and hand over Muslims in the present time. They have the wealth, and the aid from the Christian imperialist states of Europe and America; but this will end sooner or later as God said in the Quran 17: 7
ثُمَّ رَدَدْنَا لَكُمُ الْكَرَّةَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَمْدَدْنَاكُم بِأَمْوَالٍ وَبَنِينَ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ أَكْثَرَ نَفِيرًا
The explanation:
(Then We [shall] give you [Jews] once again your turn against them [Muslims] and aid you with wealth and children and make you more numerous.)
A man once told me that when Israel bring all their fighting men at war, this will be more than all the Arab armies altogether. And so this aya has also been fulfilled.
But this situation will not last forever; and God promised Muslims that they will be victorious when they will devote themselves to God alone and leave all their association and enthusiasm about their patron imams and sheikhs and then He will be with them.
A Warning to Jews of Perishing, If they do not believe in the Quran
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