Security Council accepts No Fly Zone

JBeee

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With that, large font for ease of reading, as a guiding principle are you prepared for War with China - Simple yes or no is sufficient.


No....WE THE WEST show our true colour....mostly yellow-bellied, when it comes to confronting a power equal or near ours. These countries we call `trading partners`.
 

earth_as_one

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Why isn't Obama leading a crusade to help the oppressed peoples of Bahrain and Yemen? They are being murdered by their leaders. Why won't Obama help them? The oppressed of the world cry out for America's Beloved Generalissimo.

No oil

Not worth the cost

Regarding China Goober, I suggest you read up on the concept of a just war:
Just War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Any war with China would probably not be worth the destruction or have a high probability of success.

BTW, I was in China a year ago. I was impressed. Both Shanghai and Beijing have low crime rates. Everyone has food, clothing, shelter and access to education. University is merit based. I saw poverty in the country side comparable to native reserves in Canada. Most people are too busy trying to get ahead to think about overthrowing the government. Most indicated they would like democratic reforms eventually... but in the near future, they are interested in other things...

I'd rate China as safer and poorer than Canada. I'd rather be poor in China, than poor in the US. At least China's poor aren't desperate and they can educate themselves out of poverty. Once you hit bottom in the US, you are pretty much screwed... You need to work half a dozen part time jobs just to survive...
 

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No....WE THE WEST show our true colour....mostly yellow-bellied, when it comes to confronting a power equal or near ours. These countries we call `trading partners`.

It's stupid to initiate a war you might lose. It's predicted that in a fight with the Chinese over Taiwan after 2020 the US would lose.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/files/2008_RAND_Pacific_View_Air_Combat_Briefing.pdf

...I'd rather be poor in China, than poor in the US....

You won't be able to avoid the poor of America. In the years ahead many of them will make their homes in Canada.
 

JBeee

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"It's stupid to initiate a war you might lose."....

America has been repeating this same folly with `weaker` nations for generations now and losing every time.

Is the populace just plain stupid or in it for the entertainment....until it hits home, again?


It's stupid to initiate a war you might lose. It's predicted that in a fight with the Chinese over Taiwan after 2020 the US would lose.

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/files/2008_RAND_Pacific_View_Air_Combat_Briefing.pdf



You won't be able to avoid the poor of America. In the years ahead many of them will make their homes in Canada.
 

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''Yet why don't the peace protesters complain about Obama's Lybian war. Guess when a liberal goes to war it is ok''

Daniel Ellsberg and his followers are liberals.


Rachel Corrie did not commit suicide as we have discussed enough times. Even the Israelis would not have bothered with a trial of her killers if they felt she had done so. BTW, a verdict is still awaited in that trial.
 

BaalsTears

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"It's stupid to initiate a war you might lose."....

America has been repeating this same folly with `weaker` nations for generations now and losing every time.

Is the populace just plain stupid or in it for the entertainment....until it hits home, again?

No nation can win wars when its people are so deeply divided they perceive some of their fellow citizens as more dangerous than foreign enemies. That's one of the costs of division and paralysis.
 

Kreskin

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Come on, lets not defend every two-bit dictator while demonizing the US. This is what the anti-Iraq war crowd argued for (including me). This is not a unilateral US war. It isn't even a war. It's a UN sanctioned response to GKhahdhaffiy killing his own people. It's even supported by the Arab league.
 

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Why isn't Obama leading a crusade to help the oppressed peoples of Bahrain and Yemen? They are being murdered by their leaders. Why won't Obama help them? The oppressed of the world cry out for America's Beloved Generalissimo.

The Arab League is in total agreement with what is going on in Libya at the moment. What has happened is what we call "Shock and Aw" we the best in the world at that. Now lets see what the rest of the world does when Gates hands over the wheel to them. EU and Arab League can end it properly. Maybe??

We are in it up to our necks, now lets end it ASAP. Never mind those other countries there being taken care of by others as it should be.
 

BaalsTears

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Rachel Corrie did not commit suicide as we have discussed enough times. Even the Israelis would not have bothered with a trial of her killers if they felt she had done so. BTW, a verdict is still awaited in that trial.

Rachel Corrie recklessly threw her life away in vain. No accolades from anyone can diminish her parents' heartbreak.
 

earth_as_one

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Come on, lets not defend every two-bit dictator while demonizing the US. This is what the anti-Iraq war crowd argued for (including me). This is not a unilateral US war. It isn't even a war. It's a UN sanctioned response to GKhahdhaffiy killing his own people. It's even supported by the Arab league.

In 2003:

1) The Iraqi people weren't trying to overthrow their dictator

2) Iraq's worst Human rights problem was malnutrition and disease imposed on Iraq until they gave up their WMD stockpiles. Since Iraq didn't have any WMDs, those sanctions should have been lifted. Blocking food from entering a country in order to starve the general population is unlikely to win hearts and minds...

3) A genocidal civil war was taking place which had killed 3 million people in the previous 5 years. It involved child soldiers, rape (forced prostitution), ethnic cleansing, massacres and cannibalism... but it wasn't in Iraq.
 

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OIL. Thats the only reason the yanks are backing this. If they hobnestly believe they are sticking their nose in someone elses business to help the people out, and rid them of tyrants, why aren't they in North Korea? No oil, thats why. They don't give a crap except for themselves.

North Korea is a nuclear power and can with just conventional weapons level a city of 25 million people (Seoul) in matter of hours. China, North Korea's guarantor, is also a nuclear power and UNSC member. North Korea is practically untouchable. Libya on the other hand is a semi-redeemed pariah state. It has few friends, none of which are in high places.

Of course, it also has oil, which is the go-to excuse for anyone with a superficial and anti-Western understanding of world affairs. Yeah, the presence of the most important commodity to the world economy might influence how states react, definitely don't discount it, but if you want a cynical view of the world with as little knowledge and critical thought as possible, just blame everything on oil.
 

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I'd rate China as safer and poorer than Canada. I'd rather be poor in China, than poor in the US. At least China's poor aren't desperate and they can educate themselves out of poverty. Once you hit bottom in the US, you are pretty much screwed... You need to work half a dozen part time jobs just to survive...

What are you talking about? You hit bottom in the US and you are on easy street. Free housing, free food, free cars (at least in Massachusetts), the best clothes for free, free health care, and stipends to trick out your pad with 55" LCD TVs.
 

Kreskin

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What are you talking about? You hit bottom in the US and you are on easy street. Free housing, free food, free cars (at least in Massachusetts), the best clothes for free, free health care, and stipends to trick out your pad with 55" LCD TVs.
I'd say anyone with a measly 55" LCD has really hit rock bottom.
 

BaalsTears

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Come on, lets not defend every two-bit dictator while demonizing the US. This is what the anti-Iraq war crowd argued for (including me). This is not a unilateral US war. It isn't even a war. It's a UN sanctioned response to GKhahdhaffiy killing his own people. It's even supported by the Arab league.

I'm not demonizing America. I'm demonizing that stupid moron Obama and the hypocritical American anti-war movement.

This is a unilateral American war in the sense that only America can act effectively. The Euros are worthless militarily.
'Unique capabilities' mean virtually all-American war in Libya | Byron York | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

The Arab League doesn't support ****. They're a bunch of back stabbers.
The PJ Tatler Obama Punked by the Arab League on Libya
 

earth_as_one

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Eighty-nine percent of American households were food secure throughout the entire
year 2002, meaning that they had access, at all times, to enough food for an active,
healthy life for all household members. The remaining households were food insecure
at least some time during that year. The prevalence of food insecurity rose from 10.7
percent in 2001 to 11.1 percent in 2002, and the prevalence of food insecurity with
hunger rose from 3.3 percent to 3.5 percent.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/fanrr35/fanrr35.pdf

3.5% of 300 million is 10.5 million people going hungry on a regular basis.

Buffalo County is a county located in the U.S. state of South Dakota. As of 2000, the population is 2,032. Its county seat is Gann Valley[1], which is also the center of population of South Dakota,[2] though Gann Valley is an unincorporated community. The county's per-capita income ($5,213) makes it the poorest county in the United States[3]. The Crow Creek Indian Reservation inhabited by the Crow Creek Sioux Tribe makes up the majority of Buffalo County. Unemployment is 57%; many homes lack either kitchens or indoor plumbing.[4]
Buffalo County, South Dakota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These people must be pretty dumb to be buying all these luxury items when they don't have a kitchen or a toilet...
 

EagleSmack

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In 2003:

1) The Iraqi people weren't trying to overthrow their dictator

They remembered the last time they tried to overthrow him


2) Iraq's worst Human rights problem was malnutrition and disease imposed on Iraq until they gave up their WMD stockpiles. Since Iraq didn't have any WMDs, those sanctions should have been lifted. Blocking food from entering a country in order to starve the general population is unlikely to win hearts and minds...

You mean the UN Oil for Food Program that was rife with corruption and went to building palaces is considered blocking?


3) A genocidal civil war was taking place which had killed 3 million people in the previous 5 years. It involved child soldiers, rape (forced prostitution), ethnic cleansing, massacres and cannibalism... but it wasn't in Iraq.


And what did you do about it?
 

earth_as_one

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I got online and starting writing... on forums like this and letters to the editor of most major Canadian newspapers...
 

EagleSmack

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Eighty-nine percent of American households were food secure throughout the entire
year 2002, meaning that they had access, at all times, to enough food for an active,
healthy life for all household members. The remaining households were food insecure
at least some time during that year. The prevalence of food insecurity rose from 10.7
percent in 2001 to 11.1 percent in 2002, and the prevalence of food insecurity with
hunger rose from 3.3 percent to 3.5 percent.
http://www.ers.usda.gov/publications/fanrr35/fanrr35.pdf

3.5% of 300 million is 10.5 million people going hungry on a regular basis.

Buffalo County is a county located in the U.S. state of South Dakota. As of 2000, the population is 2,032. Its county seat is Gann Valley[1], which is also the center of population of South Dakota,[2] though Gann Valley is an unincorporated community. The county's per-capita income ($5,213) makes it the poorest county in the United States[3]. The Crow Creek Indian Reservation inhabited by the Crow Creek Sioux Tribe makes up the majority of Buffalo County. Unemployment is 57%; many homes lack either kitchens or indoor plumbing.[4]
Buffalo County, South Dakota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These people must be pretty dumb to be buying all these luxury items when they don't have a kitchen or a toilet...


Bull crap.... we have the fattest, well fed, well dressed poor people in the world. If anyone is going hungry it is because instead of using their Welfare money for food they run scams for lottery tickets and booze. They blow their cash on smokes, booze, and drugs and whine that they don't have enough to eat.
 

earth_as_one

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There shouldn't have been any controls on food entering Iraq... I supported an arms embargo. But when the economic sanctions banned food, it crossed a line.