Ya, then they would all have to be just Canadians. Has there been a successful "nation" anywhere that was founded on race? I guess Germany, while not founded on race, had a period in their history when race was important and they were somewhat successful.
Well I guess it would be the guy that lost the debate that would use Godwin's Law first, lol...
Some will argue that it isn't public money as it comes from the band.
And they'd be wrong, just like you.
Germany was not founded through race but was an union of German speaking monarchs who united with each other after the defeat of France. In theory at least, as certain German princes actually spoke much better French and Latin than German.
I like your optimism Trotz, but as you can tell, he was using the Nazi reference, because he can't debate the topic.
I was thinking of that time between 1930 and 1940.
No, really? :roll:
I am now Native. Give me a tax exemption card.
No really, I want one.
Why? Do you live on a res, work on a res?
When I was in high school, my brother suggested I get myself adopted by a native family, so I could get free university education.
Nothing is free. And one has to prove that he is capable of completing the course before the grant is given approval.
Transparency where it applies. Salaries and such, but there are some things better kept behind closed doors.
Like?
Cutting off the estimated seven billion a year First Nations receive from the Federal Government would be a start in holding them accountable for their own future..
You think that will help?
You know, for somebody that calls others thick, you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I, for one, have no problem with Canada fulfilling it's obligations to treaties it has signed with other nations. Any aboriginal community that wishes to be a nation should expect it. The problem is that most of these groups have taken their cue from Kweebeck with some wishy-washy mamby-pamby use of the term "nation".This is why Kweebeck can trample on the rights of the non-Francaphone population and nothing is done.
Except we were Nations, long before Quebec came up with the idea. So you're wrong, yet again, lil Joe.
I believe (as I said multiple times before) that every Canadian is equal, regardless of race, colour, ethnicity or shoe size.
And you can say it 1000 more times and it would be a perpetual lie.
Anything that makes Canadians unequal is not acceptable.
I agree.
If CB and his buddies don't like that, get out of Canada then they can do whatever they want (until Canada decides otherwise)
Don't like what?
I'm aware of what they are "supposed" to be. My point is that these treaties were between nations and these First Nations are no longer nations.
Because of corrupt and illegal actions of the Crown.
I have no problem if they decide to become nation...then we can continue to fulfill our obligations.
We already are a Nation. Unless you can show me how the Haudenosaunee are not, you are simply blowing hot air.
I really don't know how I can dumb it down any more for you.
If you dumb'ed down your position anymore, you'd be trying to communicate with far more educated people then yourself, with nothing more then grunts and clicks.
I personally find people that divide people base on silly things like ethnicity, far worse than low lifes.
Cool, I find people that fall back on this strawman argument to be ridiculous morons.
While I'm sure you, CB and the SCC wish to align themselves with others throughout history that magnified differences to the point of inequality before the law, I much prefer to align myself with those that support equality before the law.
No you don't. You support the inequality that made us weaker then you. You justify it with every comment that we are not Nations. You call us leeches, when in fact the Haudenosaunee receive funds from a trust, held by the Feds, that receives no monies from the MIA. A trust that has been robbed by corrupt Gov't agents and politicians several times.
Without a fair and impartial accounting before the law.
But that's ok with you. Because you don't think we are a Nation and we're all leeches. So we don't deserve the same legal rights as you do.
Ya, that's equality all right...:roll:
I wear your label of low-life with pride.
The ignorant are prone to such silliness.
For me, equality has everything to do with it.
No it doesn't. It has everything to do with the fact that the tables got turned and you don't like it.
Non-francophones are being discriminated against in Kweebeck (with the placit approval or your heroes on the SCC). This should be stopped, whatever the cost. If it means Kweebeck leaving the country then so be it, if it means Canadian citizens are equal before the law.
Unless their leeches, then you advocate illegally stealing from them, subjugating them, stealing their children and watering them down till they are no longer the Nations they were, so you can end the obligations afforded them by treaty, and rob them of their dignity.
That isn't equality. That's criminal. But I can see why you'd like it.
I await you ignoring my replies, just like Joey did, lil Joe.
You really are a Thick C**T, the seven billion a year could be better used than paying off the corrupt First Nation leadership because Canada has paid off their obligation to them a long time ago.
Can you please show me where this momentous occasion took place?
Okay professor how long should Canada be held hostage to the treaties?
Until the sun does not rise and the rivers stop flowing.
It's the 21st Century maybe it's time to void them and move on letting First Nations stand on their own feet for the first time without a Government handout..
We stood on our own feet before the Crown showed up.
I really have no problems with the treaties.
Hmmm, either you actually do, or you haven't a clue what one looks like. Because that statement is patently false.
That said, those that think we should blindly follow flawed documents are fools.
I agree. But the treaties aren't flawed, unless you can show how they were.
Because for all intents and purposes, the treaties were written to favour the Crown at the time. Fortunately, those tables were turned. And we are now seeing reparations and equality.
I can see how you would see the treaties being flawed thought. Gawd forbid those leeches get ahaead of the white man eh? lol
The Treaty of Versailles was a mistake and led directly to WWII.
It would have been far better to re-examine it than to put the world through 39-45.
But I guess folks like Gerry figure Hitler was a fair price to pay for following the treaty.
You've already brought Godwin's Law into the thread when you lost. There's no need to show us your loss yet again.
Yes, but like Joey, lil Joe here just can't concede, lol.
A contract is a contract and unless there was a time frame specified, then the document lives on ad infinitum... That said, there is another side to this issue. The treaties were written quite a long time ago and the details of compensation were also based on very antiquated measures. I have seen one or two examples wherein the compensation is defined in terms of the # of head of cattle, household items (ie blankets) and building materials per person (to name a few) are to be inclusive in the compensation formula. Clearly that material representation is basically useless in today's world, but if folks are using the strict definition of a treaty/contract, then the treaty is essentially over if someone really wants to stick to the letter of the document.
Seeing as the documents were seen as living agreements. As preferred by the Crown, so they could just up and move whole bands off of mineral deposits, or oil. Then they are to be treated as such by BOTH parties, with respect to Crown obligations.
In the end, this is where I see the biggest problem for the FN's. If they desire to treat the treaties as "living documents" that evolve over time, then in effect, not only is the original agreement null/void, but it also opens the door all kinds of historical analysis.
And if suddenly we want to take that road, then any and all land deals would also be void.
No we aren't. The agreements were made between nation and they aren't nations (regardless what the SCC thinks).
You keep saying it and have yet to show any proof.
Invoke the notwithstanding clause if need be and tell them to piss up a rope until they become nations.
Cool, see you in court.
We have the SCC on our side sunshine. Should prove to be quite profitable for us, lol.
As to the issues. I am Metis. My history traces back to the Red River. That is what makes me metis. If your ancestry does not trace to that you are not Metis and we don't want you. Some random Indian that is a generation removed from a treaty card has absolutely no business being involved in Metis affairs.
The Metis nations of all the other provinces and the SCC disagrees with you.
not only that, but the fact that I have 1/32 Indian blood makes no difference. i am metis.
Awesome, My buddy Hall, was teh President of the Toronto Metis council. He can trace his lineage right back to Riel himself.
My children that will likely be 1/64 Indian will be metis, as will theirs.
Awesome.
As a Metis, we actually should have more rights than we do and we should have more financially than what we've been given.
Why?
We are the only aboriginal Canadians deserving of more than what we have.
Harvest Cards, education grants, corrupt leadership. What are you missing?
The other two groups, inuit and Indians are both a disgrace to aborginals the world over.
Funny, I was thinking the same thing about the Metis in Ontario, when they kept electing Tony Belcourt, to lead teh MNO. especially after Hall proved him to be a thief. a thug and a liar.
The metis are bad enough, but mostly that's because we have these Indians that aren't Red river involving themselves and ruining our culture revising history and selling out.
What I find even worse then that is, Metis that can't even capitalize the word Metis.
I, personally, have nothing but distain for Indians.
Like most myopic Metis, that is likely based on jealousy. You can get help for that.
i am metis. I am not an indian.
I'm Canadian of Aboriginal decent, I am not an "indian". They come from India.
The system is a complete joke. it's just corrupt, corrupter and corruptest
I agree. The Metis system being one of the worst.
i am 1/32 native, i am 100% metis. Several generations back (ovbiously) I have an iroquois relative from Quebec.
Really? Which Nation of the Haudenosaunee?
My family is from a Metis settlement, Willow Bunch, Saskatchewan.
I can trace mine back to NY, England, France and Denmark. Your point.
They lived as metis, they traded with indians and whites. They spoke michif. they are metis. i am Metis. A true Metis. i'm not a half breed. I am Metis. much like some of you might consider yourselves to be part of a heritage.
Cool. Your point?
Is your leadership corruption free?
And i am not entitled, I am owed.
Oh brother, way to feed the ignorant troll.
They stole the best land in the country in Saskatchewan, that Metis broke and gave it to whites, for nothing.
So it's your fault!!! Way to go.
They toolk away our trading rights. We are actually the group that broke the hudson bay company's monopoly in Western Canada.
Great so it's your fault that we can't trade for those real cool blankets too?
Way to mess things up!!!
You are actually legally obliged to not take any rights a group had before away in the present afterwads, in treaties etc.
This is actually true, and something Cannuck doesn't understand.
Metis should be allowed to hunt, fish, and trade without government interference.
They do.
We were the first merchants in Western Canada and we should have that right again.
There's nothing stopping you.
Please explain the genealogy of what it means to be 100% metis.
It's typical elitist crap Mark.
When did Iroquois inhabit the area of Red River?
Must have been a fact finding mission, and one of the deligates got frisky with a local call girl. You know what they say, "What happens in Red River, stays in Red River".
Just throwing this out there...
Facts are -
There have been many treaties with the First Nations over the last few hundred years.
There have been many instances of improper treatment, discrimination and other such things against the native population over that time also.
That would be an understatement.
The government has dishonored many of the treaties.
You're good at understating things.
The First Nations have dishonored many of the treaties.
Not anywhere near the magnitude that the Crown has. That's not to say that it was right, but when push comes to shove...
I am tired of the FN's continually coming back saying the previous deal was a bad one and demanding renegotiation. If I sell my house for $10 it is not right that my children or grandchildren or their children go back to the buyer and say it was unfair and demand more payment or that they want the house back. A deal is a deal. Just because the tribal elders a few hundred years ago thought some blankets and rifles was a good price for the land they gave up doesn't mean it was not a deal.
Then the Gov't should live up to the treaties already on the table.
I light of some of the obvious and agregious mistreatment and lack of honor on both sides regarding older treaties I am willing to get behind new negotiations under the following terms.
1- this is it, final and binding agreement, no revisiting because one side or the other thinks they could have, or should have, got a better deal.
2- once the land and money issues are settled the FN's agree that they are part of Canada as a whole, no more tax exemptions, no more free rides through college etc, no more using public services or the infrastructure without paying their share.
3- all exemptions from rules and regs regarding hunting/fishing etc are gone. It may have been their land 400 years ago but its everyones planet today. Time to think globally and about being equal.
4- I support some publically funded programs to enhance and support the preservation of the FNs history and culture. It is a big part of the history of Canada and should be respected and cherished by all of us.
Like I said at the start...just throwing this out there for comment.
Food for thought, thanx...
