A small step toward First Nations accountability

[CDNBear]

If it was not race based, there wouldn't be all the rules on how to determine who qualified as an aboriginal, would there?

Of course there would. You'd still have to prove by birth certificate, that you are eligible to receive contractual obligations.

It's only based on race now, because there is a distinct race involved.

If it were Caucasians the contracts were signed with, you would still need to prove you were eligible for treaty obligations.

Race is an irrelevant starwman.

 

[The Old Medic]

Wonderful.

A a Métis myself, I am all for accountability for ALL governments. In fact, let's get the government out of the business of defining who is and who is not a Native, and who may or may not belong to a band or tribe.

Let the Bands and tribes themselves decide who can belong or not, and let them decide who may, or may not, be considered to be a Native.

Let's do exactly the same for the Métis people. The government should not have ANY say in who is a Native, Métis, Inuit, or whatever.

 

[taxslave]

The bill doesn't go far enough but I guess you gotta crawl before you can walk. It's a good first step in getting these people off the government tit.

It is a start. Since government union workers salaries and politicians salaries are public it only makes sense that all salaries that come from taxpayers pockets be public. Then we can justify trimming the fat and make the money go where it is supposed to go.

Wonderful.

A a Métis myself, I am all for accountability for ALL governments. In fact, let's get the government out of the business of defining who is and who is not a Native, and who may or may not belong to a band or tribe.

Let the Bands and tribes themselves decide who can belong or not, and let them decide who may, or may not, be considered to be a Native.

Let's do exactly the same for the Métis people. The government should not have ANY say in who is a Native, Métis, Inuit, or whatever.

I'm not so sure about that. At one time one of the small bands on the coast was selling status for $30000. So anyone with a few bucks in his jeans can buy a tax exemption.

 

[Cannuck]

If it was not race based, there wouldn't be all the rules on how to determine who qualified as an aboriginal, would there?

Ya, then they would all have to be just Canadians. Has there been a successful "nation" anywhere that was founded on race? I guess Germany, while not founded on race, had a period in their history when race was important and they were somewhat successful.

It is a start. Since government union workers salaries and politicians salaries are public it only makes sense that all salaries that come from taxpayers pockets be public. Then we can justify trimming the fat and make the money go where it is supposed to go.

Some will argue that it isn't public money as it comes from the band.

 

[Trotz]

Germany was not founded through race but was an union of German speaking monarchs who united with each other after the defeat of France. In theory at least, as certain German princes actually spoke much better French and Latin than German.

I don't believe there has ever been a proper racial (not cultural) state in Europe; other than the existence of independent tribes in pre-Renaissance Europe.

That being said, you still had individuals like Madison Grant and the Thule Society; in addition to Nordicists, who wanted such a thing.

Outside of Europe, I think the people who have best succeeded in that regard would be the Han Chinese. They've always had a massive population in history and could absorb foreign people without a change to their appearance; to the extent, that all 1.4 billion of them of them have the same appearance... as oppose to the diversity in Europe.

Diversity has always been a good thing I think. Who really wants the whole world to be dark skinned, dark eyed and dark haired? No more than we would want everyone to be blond haired and blue eyed and conforming to a single phenotype of image. It would be like having all butterflies look the same.

 

[Cannuck]

Germany was not founded through race but was an union of German speaking monarchs who united with each other after the defeat of France. In theory at least, as certain German princes actually spoke much better French and Latin than German.....

I was thinking of that time between 1930 and 1940.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Wonderful.

A a Métis myself, I am all for accountability for ALL governments. In fact, let's get the government out of the business of defining who is and who is not a Native, and who may or may not belong to a band or tribe.

Let the Bands and tribes themselves decide who can belong or not, and let them decide who may, or may not, be considered to be a Native.

Let's do exactly the same for the Métis people. The government should not have ANY say in who is a Native, Métis, Inuit, or whatever.

I am now Native. Give me a tax exemption card.

No really, I want one.

 

[Cannuck]

I am now Native. Give me a tax exemption card.

No really, I want one.

Doesn't everybody?

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Doesn't everybody?

Everybody except Avro.

I paid 153,000 in tax last year, this year I will pay more.

Plenty left over for myself.

 

[TenPenny]

I am now Native. Give me a tax exemption card.

No really, I want one.

When I was in high school, my brother suggested I get myself adopted by a native family, so I could get free university education.

 

[mentalfloss]

I was worried this would get into a liberal-conservative slugfest as the libs now have the wonderful reputation of being exclusively corrupt, lol. Glad that the thread took the correct course and we realize transparency should be the #1 priority for all forms of government.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

I was worried this would get into a liberal-conservative slugfest as the libs now have the wonderful reputation of being exclusively corrupt, lol. Glad that the thread took the correct course and we realize transparency should be the #1 priority for all forms of government.

Transparency where it applies. Salaries and such, but there are some things better kept behind closed doors.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Cutting off the estimated seven billion a year First Nations receive from the Federal Government would be a start in holding them accountable for their own future..

 

[gerryh]

Cutting off the estimated seven billion a year First Nations receive from the Federal Government would be a start in holding them accountable for their own future..

So, you're one of the morons that advocates Canada reneging on our word and obligations.

 

[Cannuck]

So, you're one of the morons that advocates Canada reneging on our word and obligations.

You know, for somebody that calls others thick, you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I, for one, have no problem with Canada fulfilling it's obligations to treaties it has signed with other nations. Any aboriginal community that wishes to be a nation should expect it. The problem is that most of these groups have taken their cue from Kweebeck with some wishy-washy mamby-pamby use of the term "nation".This is why Kweebeck can trample on the rights of the non-Francaphone population and nothing is done.

I believe (as I said multiple times before) that every Canadian is equal, regardless of race, colour, ethnicity or shoe size. Anything that makes Canadians unequal is not acceptable. If CB and his buddies don't like that, get out of Canada then they can do whatever they want (until Canada decides otherwise)

 

[gerryh]

You know, for somebody that calls others thick, you aren't the sharpest knife in the drawer. I, for one, have no problem with Canada fulfilling it's obligations to treaties it has signed with other nations. Any aboriginal community that wishes to be a nation should expect it. The problem is that most of these groups have taken their cue from Kweebeck with some wishy-washy mamby-pamby use of the term "nation".This is why Kweebeck can trample on the rights of the non-Francaphone population and nothing is done.

I believe (as I said multiple times before) that every Canadian is equal, regardless of race, colour, ethnicity or shoe size. Anything that makes Canadians unequal is not acceptable. If CB and his buddies don't like that, get out of Canada then they can do whatever they want (until Canada decides otherwise)

there ya go, showing how thick and ignorant you are. Any and all "payments" that are being made to the First Nations are through treaty obligations and are payment, in part, for land ceded to the crown.

 

[Cannuck]

there ya go, showing how thick and ignorant you are. Any and all "payments" that are being made to the First Nations are through treaty obligations and are payment, in part, for land ceded to the crown.

I'm aware of what they are "supposed" to be. My point is that these treaties were between nations and these First Nations are no longer nations. I have no problem if they decide to become nation...then we can continue to fulfill our obligations. I really don't know how I can dumb it down any more for you.

 

[gerryh]

I'm aware of what they are "supposed" to be. My point is that these treaties were between nations and these First Nations are no longer nations. I have no problem if they decide to become nation...then we can continue to fulfill our obligations. I really don't know how I can dumb it down any more for you.

The obligation is still there and has been upheld by the SC. Unfortunate for low lifes like yourself who prefer to try and find loopholes out of their obligations.

 

[Cannuck]

The obligation is still there and has been upheld by the SC. Unfortunate for low lifes like yourself who prefer to try and find loopholes out of their obligations.

I personally find people that divide people base on silly things like ethnicity, far worse than low lifes. While I'm sure you, CB and the SCC wish to align themselves with others throughout history that magnified differences to the point of inequality before the law, I much prefer to align myself with those that support equality before the law. I wear your label of low-life with pride.

 

[gerryh]

I personally find people that divide people base on silly things like ethnicity, far worse than low lifes. While I'm sure you, CB and the SCC wish to align themselves with others throughout history that magnified differences to the point of inequality before the law, I much prefer to align myself with those that support equality before the law. I wear your label of low-life with pride.

equality has nothing to do with it. Money has everything to do with it.