A small step toward First Nations accountability

Cannuck

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equality has nothing to do with it. Money has everything to do with it.

For me, equality has everything to do with it. Non-francophones are being discriminated against in Kweebeck (with the placit approval or your heroes on the SCC). This should be stopped, whatever the cost. If it means Kweebeck leaving the country then so be it, if it means Canadian citizens are equal before the law.
 

Johnny Utah

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So, you're one of the morons that advocates Canada reneging on our word and obligations.
You really are a Thick C**T, the seven billion a year could be better used than paying off the corrupt First Nation leadership because Canada has paid off their obligation to them a long time ago.
 

gerryh

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You really are a Thick C**T, the seven billion a year could be better used than paying off the corrupt First Nation leadership because Canada has paid off their obligation to them a long time ago.

read the treaties.
 

Johnny Utah

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read the treaties.
Okay professor how long should Canada be held hostage to the treaties? It's the 21st Century maybe it's time to void them and move on letting First Nations stand on their own feet for the first time without a Government handout..
 

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I really have no problems with the treaties. That said, those that think we should blindly follow flawed documents are fools. The Treaty of Versailles was a mistake and led directly to WWII. It would have been far better to re-examine it than to put the world through 39-45. But I guess folks like Gerry figure Hitler was a fair price to pay for following the treaty.
 

gerryh

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Okay professor how long should Canada be held hostage to the treaties? It's the 21st Century maybe it's time to void them and move on letting First Nations stand on their own feet for the first time without a Government handout..


Most treaties talk about in perpetuity. You want to make a lump sum payment offer? I have no problem with that at all. In fact I have advocated it in the past. Until that happens though, if at all, then we are obligated to live up to the existing agreements.
 

damngrumpy

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While we are all holding our breath in wonder and making those natives own up for the
the money they are paid we forget to ask about all those municipal executives that are
raking in all that money as well. Each community keeps paying more so the next set of
talks the following community government pays the new higher rate.
It is like it used to be in the National Hockey League before the owners said enough. We
are almost there on the amounts of money being paid to politicians period.
 

captain morgan

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Okay professor how long should Canada be held hostage to the treaties? It's the 21st Century maybe it's time to void them and move on letting First Nations stand on their own feet for the first time without a Government handout..

A contract is a contract and unless there was a time frame specified, then the document lives on ad infinitum... That said, there is another side to this issue. The treaties were written quite a long time ago and the details of compensation were also based on very antiquated measures. I have seen one or two examples wherein the compensation is defined in terms of the # of head of cattle, household items (ie blankets) and building materials per person (to name a few) are to be inclusive in the compensation formula. Clearly that material representation is basically useless in today's world, but if folks are using the strict definition of a treaty/contract, then the treaty is essentially over if someone really wants to stick to the letter of the document.

In the end, this is where I see the biggest problem for the FN's. If they desire to treat the treaties as "living documents" that evolve over time, then in effect, not only is the original agreement null/void, but it also opens the door all kinds of historical analysis.
 

Cannuck

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...then we are obligated to live up to the existing agreements.

No we aren't. The agreements were made between nation and they aren't nations (regardless what the SCC thinks). Invoke the notwithstanding clause if need be and tell them to piss up a rope until they become nations.
 

Skatchie

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This is something that the Liberals don't support because they are the ones getting kick backs from the chiefs, etc. because they gave them this authority to rip everybody off. It's no different than the sponsorship scandal only it's much much bigger, problem is you can't audit Native Affairs. Billions of dollars were rolled back into Liberal party backed coffers. billions.


As to the issues. I am Metis. My history traces back to the Red River. That is what makes me metis. If your ancestry does not trace to that you are not Metis and we don't want you. Some random Indian that is a generation removed from a treaty card has absolutely no business being involved in Metis affairs. not only that, but the fact that I have 1/32 Indian blood makes no difference. i am metis. My children that will likely be 1/64 Indian will be metis, as will theirs.

As a Metis, we actually should have more rights than we do and we should have more financially than what we've been given. We are the only aboriginal Canadians deserving of more than what we have. The other two groups, inuit and Indians are both a disgrace to aborginals the world over. The metis are bad enough, but mostly that's because we have these Indians that aren't Red river involving themselves and ruining our culture revising history and selling out. I, personally, have nothing but distain for Indians. i am metis. I am not an indian.
 

Retired_Can_Soldier

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This is something that the Liberals don't support because they are the ones getting kick backs from the chiefs, etc. because they gave them this authority to rip everybody off. It's no different than the sponsorship scandal only it's much much bigger, problem is you can't audit Native Affairs. Billions of dollars were rolled back into Liberal party backed coffers. billions.


As to the issues. I am Metis. My history traces back to the Red River. That is what makes me metis. If your ancestry does not trace to that you are not Metis and we don't want you. Some random Indian that is a generation removed from a treaty card has absolutely no business being involved in Metis affairs. not only that, but the fact that I have 1/32 Indian blood makes no difference. i am metis. My children that will likely be 1/64 Indian will be metis, as will theirs.

As a Metis, we actually should have more rights than we do and we should have more financially than what we've been given. We are the only aboriginal Canadians deserving of more than what we have. The other two groups, inuit and Indians are both a disgrace to aborginals the world over. The metis are bad enough, but mostly that's because we have these Indians that aren't Red river involving themselves and ruining our culture revising history and selling out. I, personally, have nothing but distain for Indians. i am metis. I am not an indian.

Holy sh it. Somebody buy the racist 1/32nd Frog Indian a beer so he'll calm the heck down. LOL

By the way Louis Riel deserved to be hung. He was a lunatic and a traitor.
 

Cannuck

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As to the issues. I am Metis. My history traces back to the Red River. That is what makes me metis. If your ancestry does not trace to that you are not Metis and we don't want you. Some random Indian that is a generation removed from a treaty card has absolutely no business being involved in Metis affairs. not only that, but the fact that I have 1/32 Indian blood makes no difference. i am metis. My children that will likely be 1/64 Indian will be metis, as will theirs.

As a Metis, we actually should have more rights than we do and we should have more financially than what we've been given. We are the only aboriginal Canadians deserving of more than what we have. The other two groups, inuit and Indians are both a disgrace to aborginals the world over. The metis are bad enough, but mostly that's because we have these Indians that aren't Red river involving themselves and ruining our culture revising history and selling out. I, personally, have nothing but distain for Indians. i am metis. I am not an indian.

Wow!!! I've been saying the system is racist for quite a while now. Your post really sums up my position far better than I ever could.
 

Skatchie

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Seriously Skatchie do you really think being 1./32nd metis gives you entitlement or were you just kidding?

i am 1/32 native, i am 100% metis. Several generations back (ovbiously) I have an iroquois relative from Quebec. My family is from a Metis settlement, Willow Bunch, Saskatchewan. They lived as metis, they traded with indians and whites. They spoke michif. they are metis. i am Metis. A true Metis. i'm not a half breed. I am Metis. much like some of you might consider yourselves to be part of a heritage.

And i am not entitled, I am owed. They stole the best land in the country in Saskatchewan, that Metis broke and gave it to whites, for nothing. They toolk away our trading rights. We are actually the group that broke the hudson bay company's monopoly in Western Canada.

You are actually legally obliged to not take any rights a group had before away in the present afterwads, in treaties etc. Metis should be allowed to hunt, fish, and trade without government interference. We were the first merchants in Western Canada and we should have that right again.
 

Johnny Utah

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Most treaties talk about in perpetuity. You want to make a lump sum payment offer? I have no problem with that at all. In fact I have advocated it in the past. Until that happens though, if at all, then we are obligated to live up to the existing agreements.
Screw the lump sum payment offer they've received more than enough the only thing they deserve is a Hallmark card saying the ride is over..
 

Cannuck

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i am 1/32 native, i am 100% metis. Several generations back (ovbiously) I have an iroquois relative from Quebec. My family is from a Metis settlement, Willow Bunch, Saskatchewan. They lived as metis, they traded with indians and whites. They spoke michif. they are metis. i am Metis. A true Metis. i'm not a half breed. I am Metis. much like some of you might consider yourselves to be part of a heritage.

And i am not entitled, I am owed. They stole the best land in the country in Saskatchewan, that Metis broke and gave it to whites, for nothing. They toolk away our trading rights. We are actually the group that broke the hudson bay company's monopoly in Western Canada.

You are actually legally obliged to not take any rights a group had before away in the present afterwads, in treaties etc. Metis should be allowed to hunt, fish, and trade without government interference. We were the first merchants in Western Canada and we should have that right again.

Good gawd...I love it!!!!