More Needless Multiculturalism Problems From Immigrants

[Trotz]

Yet that does seem to be the end result with these ethnic enclaves in Canada; to the extent, that all the signage is written in Mandarin and Punjab and the locals become ackward with actual Canadians coming into their communities... eventually, this ackwardness will be replaced with hostility if the local communities decide to field their own police force.

I would be for all this if these communities had sprung up on their own but immigration to Canada amounts to displacing urban communities, instead of creating their own communities.

Hence the idiocy of comparing our contemporary immigration to past immigration, there wasn't really much of a Winnipeg in the 1880s and most of the Prairie Settlements were empty plains until Germans, Ukrainians and Norwegians settled and built new communities from scratch.


Massive Chinese immigration to a community like Richmond; British Columbia, came in the mid 1990s, long after there was a shopping mall built, long after there were multiple high schools built, long after the Radisson was built; long after most of the infastructure was built, et al.

Same is true with Surrey with East Indian and Pakistani immigrants.

None of this seems sensible nor fair to Canadian citizens. If we had a proper immigration system than most of the Chinese would have been told to settle Squamish or Aldergrove; not settle within the heart of Vancouver.

 

[SLM]

I didn't take your commentary as in positive change, as in growing together. Displacement and taking over an area. Making it language inaccessible to the host nation. Isn't what I classify as positive growth or change.

I gotchya now.

I don't think our culture is changing. Unless slowly becoming a doormat is what you are referring to.

Coming to a new land, and setting up in a specific area, and catering almost exclusively to your "culture". Isn't going to change the over all culture, it's just going to displace it.

Unless you mean that the original culture will eventually tire of that and become more rigid about immigration.

I actually didn't mean change to be either good or bad, just change. Whether it's good or bad kind of depends upon each person's own perspective doesn't it. If you like the status quo, then change is bad. If you don't like the status quo, then change is good.

But I do believe Canada has changed culturally. Not necessarily solely due to immigrant influences but that's a factor. How can it not? When you add people from different backgrounds, with different perspectives are you going to continue to get the same old, same old?

 

[Trotz]

The media will never report on it but it's commonly understood that the E. Indian community, even though E. Indian male seem fond of earrings and hair styling products, are responsible for the majority of attacks on the LGBT community.

British Columbia in particular was well known for being the "radical province" in Canadian history but that is changing with the continous arrival of staunchly conservative Chinese and E. Indians.

 

[CDNBear]

But I do believe Canada has changed culturally. Not necessarily solely due to immigrant influences but that's a factor. How can it not? When you add people from different backgrounds, with different perspectives are you going to continue to get the same old, same old?

I agree, we've changed a little.

But at the same time, we have enclaves of singular groups, that set up shop, displace the previous inhabitants. And then for all intents and purposes, make their community uninviting to the host society.

That is essentially multiculturalism to a "T" in Canada.

"Come to Canada, bring the baggage that made your homeland a sh!thole, set up shop and don't worry about us. We can shower after you wipe your feet on us."

New comers have no need, no pressure and no want, to assimilate, integrate or in some case participate, beyond the absolute minimum.

 

[gerryh]

Yup, it's just terrible. A real shyte hole. Turning into a terrible place to live. Can't understand why so many choose to stay.

 

[CDNBear]

Yup, it's just terrible. A real shyte hole. Turning into a terrible place to live. Can't understand why so many choose to stay.

Hyperbole Gh, hyperbole.

I figured you knew me better then that, lol.

 

[Tonington]

It's hard to imagine how extremely wealthly people from China or India could get so wealthly in such poor countries.

You think so? It's no different than Nike making a fortune selling goods made by children in factories.

 

[Trotz]

Carlos Slim Helú is the richest man in the world.

Carlos owns a 90% monopoly on telecommunications; a monopoly enforced by the Mexican Government.

Although I think Mubarak (the Egyptian) supposedly has 60 billion or more - no one knows.

The same is true for a lot of the Chinese millionaires and billionaires who come to Canada and screw with our housing market (which the Canadian Government loves for tax payers' purposes). A lot of them are functionaries in the Chinese Government; or have relatives within the Government, and often have nepotisic ties to their wealth.

The bosses of these men are living in million dollar homes in Vancouver, Richmond and Burnaby. Nothing but illegitimate wealth!

 

[lone wolf]

Don't like Ontarians but you'll boast about the bosses in their million dollar homes. Yup.... I can see you have lots to brag about.

 

[Durry]

It's no different than Nike making a fortune selling goods made by children in factories.

Do you know for a FACT this is still happening ??

 

[SLM]

I agree, we've changed a little.

But at the same time, we have enclaves of singular groups, that set up shop, displace the previous inhabitants. And then for all intents and purposes, make their community uninviting to the host society.

That is essentially multiculturalism to a "T" in Canada.

"Come to Canada, bring the baggage that made your homeland a sh!thole, set up shop and don't worry about us. We can shower after you wipe your feet on us."

New comers have no need, no pressure and no want, to assimilate, integrate or in some case participate, beyond the absolute minimum.

And I'll agree that ethnic enclaves are prohibitive of the necessary "immediate" intergration. Which definitely can make things difficult for the original inhabitants of a community.

I wonder though if it would actually be better to force new immigrants into established more "Canadian" communities or would it just cause other problems, like extreme isolation? Maybe it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario?

I can't really say that I blame them either since I'm sure if I were to immigrate to another country I probably would want to be in a community with other ex-pats as well, especially if the country were vastly different from Canada.

I do find that given a generation or two that no longer is an issue and these are the young generations of Canadians who are redefining the cultural landscape alongside our own children.

Basically I say, let's not look to encourgage any further segregation (via the article originally posted) but essentially I'm not too worried about it in the end. Maybe that's naive but that's what I think.

 

[CDNBear]

I wonder though if it would actually be better to force new immigrants into established more "Canadian" communities or would it just cause other problems, like extreme isolation? Maybe it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario?

I can actually agree with you here.

I can't really say that I blame them either since I'm sure if I were to immigrate to another country I probably would want to be in a community with other ex-pats as well, especially if the country were vastly different from Canada.

Ya, I can understand that. But then how many generations have to go by before the area is re-established by the next wave, from somewhere else?

Back in the day, immigration did pretty much the same thing. But the was turn over as the previous group assimilated and moved on and out.

I do find that given a generation or two that no longer is an issue and these are the young generations of Canadians who are redefining the cultural landscape alongside our own children.

Ummm, I'm not sure about that anymore. You see the new faces in the news, running for one office or another, but they are running in the enclave.

Basically I say, let's not look to encourgage any further segregation (via the article originally posted) but essentially I'm not too worried about it in the end. Maybe that's naive but that's what I think.

Again, I basically agree with you. My only concern is with militants and people who openly come to challenge the fabric of our Nation.

 

[Tonington]

Do you know for a FACT this is still happening ??

Child labour? Yes it is still in fact happening. iPhones, soccer balls, athletic shoes, you name it.

Go to the Google home page, click the news tab, and then write "child labour" in the search bar.

 

[lone wolf]

Personally, signage that doesn't carry one of the official languages bothers me. If they aren't familiar with the place, how are Emergency responders supposed to find &%*&(@?

 

[gerryh]

Personally, signage that doesn't carry one of the official languages bothers me. If they aren't familiar with the place, how are Emergency responders supposed to find &%*&(@?

from the damn address?

 

[lone wolf]

from the damn address?

Brilliant!

 

[CDNBear]

from the damn address?

Actually Gh, in the area that Lone and I were discussing. The addresses aren't always that obvious. And in some cases, are actually in Mandarin.

Trust me on this one, I've spent more then my fair share of time navigating Markham looking for this shop or that.

 

[petros]

Child labour? Yes it is still in fact happening. iPhones, soccer balls, athletic shoes, you name it.

Go to the Google home page, click the news tab, and then write "child labour" in the search bar.

Child labour make Blizzards in Canada.


Underage DQ employees in Regina forced out of work

 

[Trotz]

How does a 12 yearold making Blizzards at a $8 hourly rate equate to a 6 yearold snitching shoes for 10 cents a hour? It doesn't

 

[dumpthemonarchy]

What's wrong with that? At least, people are beginning to be more honest about these things and having First Nations' blood is no longer taboo.

I think the actual number could be higher. I have spent a lot of months in Europe and a lot of supposed 100% European Canadians in Canada couldn't pass the "local" test in Britain, France, Central and Eastern Europe.
Men like Tim McLean (the one murdered on the bus) are otherwise typically looking Canadian (light complexion) but otherwise you couldn't pin him down anywhere in Europe and that's because of the Amerindian ancestry.

Historically, the first Canadians married Amerindian women because there were few European women around.

Taking the last point first, this is a fur trade look at Canadian history. Although it covered a vast area for centuries, a very small portion of people were involved in it, French, English or Metis.

Sure, it's an admision that having aborginal background is not something try to hide as much. Sometimse "admitting" you're aboriginal or Metis can mean you get financial benefits that otherwise you have no chance of getting.

Canadians are white, speak European languages in French and English, but we do not live in Europe, so we do not look like French people in France say. It's big news to Canadians, but in a place like Northern Ireland, you know, the place with the religious problems, people can tell Catholics from Protestants just by looking and for 100% sure once they speak. In Ireland and England they have strong local accents. We don't have this issue in Canada.