Tea Party Group Protests American Muslim Relief Group Fundraiser

[Machjo]

Agreed.

I support NAMBLA's right to exercise their right to free speech.

And your point would have been valid, had the Jews of Germany been on a murderous rampage for 10 years prior.

So all the people in that video had been in a rampage 10 years ago?

You see what I'm getting at? At the time, as per common beliefs, and even before the Nazis came to power, Jews were 'traitors', 'responsible for the Depression', 'selling the country out', 'cosmopolites' (very bad connotation with that word then), and, ironically enough in light of the aforementioned accusations, 'communists'. After all, the writer of the Communist Manifesto was of Jewish family background, so what more proof did you need that all Jews were communists. And Joseph Yisrail down the street ha gone to jail for counterfeiting money, so what more proof did you need that all Jews were scammers? Oh yes, and Johanna Bergbusch across the street had family living all over Europe and spoke Hebrew. What more proof did you need that all Jews were cosmopolites with no loyalty to country? And of course Zamenhof created a language and he was Jewish too. Oh my all those Jews were evil.

This is the exact same argument now being used against Muslims. Bin Laden is a terrorist, ergo all Muslims are terrorists.

 

[gerryh]

And your point would have been valid, had the Jews of Germany been on a murderous rampage for 10 years prior.

So, the Muslims of North America have been on a murderous rampage the last 10 years?

 

[CDNBear]

So all the people in that video had been in a rampage 10 years ago?

So, the Muslims of North America have been on a murderous rampage the last 10 years?

No their religion, in a general manner has.

You see what I'm getting at?

No. I can't find any referrence to Jewish leaders proclaiming fatwa's, jihads or anything violent, prior to the rise in violence towards them.

This is the exact same argument now being used against Muslims. Bin Laden is a terrorist, ergo all Muslims are terrorists.

Maybe some people think that way, but from my experiences, it's been the opinion of those that have similar beliefs to myself, that Islam as an organized faith, is dangerous. As are all unchecked, non secular faiths.

 

[gerryh]

Says the member with an avatar that states "F!uck off we're full"...

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You would have had to been around here when I changed it to understand the context.

 

[Machjo]

Get a grip, they were not defaming anyone specifically, they were protesting against what they stand for.
Many of their statement is what is in the Qran which the muslims endorse and live by.

They have a right to express themselves in a free society!!!


ie the protestors !!

It was their interpretation of the Qur'an, one that many Muslims reject. Yet they assumed that all at that meeting believed in that fanatical and depraved interpretation. Also, isn't defaming an entire community even worse than defaming one person. Defamation of character is illegal in most countries and does not flal under simple free speech laws.

 

[CDNBear]

You would have had to been around here when I changed it to understand the context.

Sh!t, I take some time out to go fishing, and I miss all the fun.

 

[Machjo]

No their religion, in a general manner has.

Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Remember that? So why is it so different now. A religion does not just metamorphose with the ground under your feet, climb out of the sand, jump into a plane as a sand creature and crash it into a building. People did that based on a corrupted understanding of their Faith. Did the Catholic Faith f*ck babies, or was it priests and nuns that had done that?

Did the Christian faith start the Crusades, or was it the Pope and a munk that had done that?

Did the Jews kill Jesus, or was it exclusively members of their leadership that had done so with likely many Jews rejecting that leadership in favour of their own understanding of the Bible. It's the exact same arguments.

 

[Durry]

It was their interpretation of the Qur'an, one that many Muslims reject. Yet they assumed that all at that meeting believed in that fanatical and depraved interpretation. Also, isn't defaming an entire community even worse than defaming one person. Defamation of character is illegal in most countries and does not flal under simple free speech laws.

Oh, I see, now its in the INTERPRETATION !!!!
Are you asking each muslim how he Interpretes the Quran ??? Just in case ???

I think you a quite naive about life,,,!!!

 

[Machjo]

No. I can't find any referrence to Jewish leaders proclaiming fatwa's, jihads or anything violent, prior to the rise in violence towards them.

And you seem to forget that almost immediately after the attacks, NYC's Imam announced a fatwa against such attacks. So if all muslims support terroristic Fatwas, then following the same logic, all Muslims also accept anti-terroristic fatwas. Not to mention some Muslims reject Fatwas entirely in favour of following their own understanding of the Qur'an and Ahadith. The same arguments stereotyping Jews are the same ones stereotyping Muslims as one hegemonic monolith.

Maybe some people think that way, but from my experiences, it's been the opinion of those that have similar beliefs to myself, that Islam as an organized faith, is dangerous. As are all unchecked, non secular faiths.

Then free speech would give one the chance to argue the case coherently, not harass people at a private meeting.

 

[DaSleeper]

Fact: the majority of those of the muslim faith are peace loving and ar not terrorists......

Also a fact: the 9/11 conspirators and the majority of terrorist acts and blowing up of civilians in the past 25 years have been commited by muslims.

 

[Machjo]

Oh, I see, now its in the INTERPRETATION !!!!
Are you asking each muslim how he Interpretes the Quran ??? Just in case ???

I think you a quite naive about life,,,!!!

So looking at it that way, seeing that some on the right do espouse terrorism, and some on th eleft too, and some Christians and Jews, etc. we'd better simply ban all beliefs.

 

[gerryh]

Fact: the majority of those of the muslim faith are peace loving and ar not terrorists......

Also a fact: the 9/11 conspirators and the majority of terrorist acts and blowing up of civilians in the past 25 years have been commited by muslims.

and before the last 25 years it was.............. Catholics?

 

[Machjo]

Let's not forget that 'Jews' were killing British soldiers in Palestine under the British mandate, and 'Christians' were involved in the Inquisition, etc. Oh yes, and some 'Jews' supported killing Jesus. So, do we blame all Jews and all Christians for this?

Fact: the majority of those of the muslim faith are peace loving and ar not terrorists......

Also a fact: the 9/11 conspirators and the majority of terrorist acts and blowing up of civilians in the past 25 years have been commited by muslims.

So what do the people at that charitable meeting have to do with 9/11 other than that they look like them?

 

[DaSleeper]

and before the last 25 years it was.............. Catholics?

Somehow I'm not worried about a Jehova Witness blowing something up when I answer the door...

 

[TenPenny]

Somehow I'm not worried about a Jehova Witness blowing something up when I answer the door...

I'm not worried about a Muslim blowing something up when I answer the door. Or a Pentacostal. Or an Anglican. Or a Wiccan.

If you are that worried when you answer the door, some therapy might help.

The vast majority of recent terrorist acts in Canada were done by Sikhs, weren't they?

 

[gerryh]

and before the last 25 years it was.............. Catholics?

Somehow I'm not worried about a Jehova Witness blowing something up when I answer the door...

and what do JW's have to do with Irish Catholic terrorist?

 

[CDNBear]

Guns don't kill people; people kill people. Remember that? So why is it so different now. A religion does not just metamorphose with the ground under your feet, climb out of the sand, jump into a plane as a sand creature and crash it into a building. People did that based on a corrupted understanding of their Faith. Did the Catholic Faith f*ck babies, or was it priests and nuns that had done that?

Ignoring your failed comparison, I understand where you're attempting to go. But you forget that their religion condones it, praises it, saves a special place in heaven for them. Not to mention, en mass, it propagates violence in general.

Did the Christian faith start the Crusades, or was it the Pope and a munk that had done that?

Did they have a choice in saying I'll sit this one out?

Did the Jews kill Jesus, or was it exclusively members of their leadership that had done so with likely many Jews rejecting that leadership in favour of their own understanding of the Bible. It's the exact same arguments.

I don't believe in the Bible, so using a myth to support your opinion, is a fail.

And you seem to forget that almost immediately after the attacks, NYC's Imam announced a fatwa against such attacks. So if all muslims support terroristic Fatwas, then following the same logic, all Muslims also accept anti-terroristic fatwas. Not to mention some Muslims reject Fatwas entirely in favour of following their own understanding of the Qur'an and Ahadith. The same arguments stereotyping Jews are the same ones stereotyping Muslims as one hegemonic monolith.

Good point, but again, I can still find no references to any Jew, or Jewish leader, preaching death to Germany.

Then free speech would give one the chance to argue the case coherently, not harass people at a private meeting.

That is free speech. You may not like, but it is what it is.

So looking at it that way, seeing that some on the right do espouse terrorism, and some on th eleft too, and some Christians and Jews, etc. we'd better simply ban all beliefs.

Now yer talkin'!!!

and before the last 25 years it was.............. Catholics?

Yep!

The vast majority of recent terrorist acts in Canada were done by Sikhs, weren't they?

Yep, and I feel the same way about them too.

and what do JW's have to do with Irish Catholic terrorist?

Is this like...

"What do the Leafs and the Blue Jays have in common"?

 

[petros]

I don't know, but whatever it is, it is way too much !!

Why don't you know?

I know how much. $20 a head.

What would you do with your $20 back?

Go buy a rock or a point of meth and get back to sucking the glass dick?

 

[Durry]

So looking at it that way, seeing that some on the right do espouse terrorism, and some on th eleft too, and some Christians and Jews, etc. we'd better simply ban all beliefs.

No, just ban muslims from coming Canada,,,,problem solved,,,,keep it simple !!!

 

[petros]

No, just ban muslims from coming Canada,,,,problem solved,,,,keep it simple !!!

But keep the Buddhists and Hindus coming? There is no shortage of Hindus on the Prairies. My uncle has a herd of 250 of them, beef Hindus not your milking type. Sometimes Alberta has droughts so we have to send hay from Saskatchewan to fed all the Hindus. Do they milk the system so we can milk them and make ice cream and cheese?