I will glady pay for any program I will ever need as long as I don't have pay taxes now on programs being used by losers today.
Ie pay for the program when I need it !!
Tea Party Group Protests American Muslim Relief Group Fundraiser
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I will glady pay for any program I will ever need as long as I don't have pay taxes now on programs being used by losers today.
Ie pay for the program when I need it !!
I call bullshyte. Until you've been there, you're just blasting off hot air. Just get hurt on the job.
How about you elaborate on this. What programs, specifically, do you want to see kept and what do you want to see cut.
There is nothing funny about this video. If anything, it's bloody scary.First off, it reveals an irrational hatred against Muslims. From the rhetoric we hear in the video, if you profess Islam, you are not an American even if you are born in the US, and so we can assume even if you have converted to Islam you are no longer an American.Secondly, Islam has become equated with anti-constitutionalism. Never mind that both the Constitution and Islam (and I'm not talking about Middle-Eastern fatwas but rather the Qur'an itself) guarantee freedom of religion. Most of the protesters have likely never read the constitution, know little about what the word Shari'a even means, have a completely distorted view of both Shari'a and the US Constitution, and are prepared to promote and spread that distorted view.Thirdly, the fact that they feel so comfortable protesting like this so publicly and being so aggressive, insulting, and demeaning of other human bings, and can attract high level support, also reveals the popular acceptance of these views.Now, mainly owing to the fact that those on the right are too easily and uncritically branded as Nazis or Neo-Nazis or racists, etc., I'm hesitant to use these same terms now out of fear of being accused of the same thoughtless rhetoric. However, in this particular case, ignoring the use of such terms as cheap uncritical rhetoric, we can in fact apply some of these terms to a degree.First off, anti-Semitism existed in Germany long before Nazism ever reared its ugly head. For the most part, the Nazis were merely successful in tapping and then cultivating this hate, and then manipulating it to their own ends. We see the same parallel here. Islamophobia had existed in North America since long ago, but now we are seeing certain groups organiaing, tapping into it, cutivating it, developing it, rationalizing it, demonizing Muslims, even converts and those born in the US, as traitors, and attracting high-level support. Should this sentiment continue to grow among the general population and then in government, we can see how we could see the rise of a new form of Fascism in North America. I doubt it will happen and am confident sanity will preval. But if this kind of behaviour goes unchallenged, then we might need to reconsider our optimism. What we are witnessing against Muslims today is eerily parallel to the very beginnings of the rise of Nazizm in Germany beginning as a modest movement in the 1920's and '30's.
I asked you to be specific as to what you wanted to see cut and what you wanted maintained. Are you not able to do that?
I wonder with whom the people in this thread identify in this video:YouTube - What would you do Muslim
Absolute nonsence, this is a group of people expressing their feelings in a free and democratic enviroment.
Like in any free society, you Get what you Earn !!!
I read that you got the term from a Muslim friend...
Just another reason to ban them from entry. Usurping the fine name of the tried and true, only brand of broadhead to be used by this Bear...
Didn't you watch the video? They were insulting them, harassing them, and telling native-born Americans that they weren't welcome in the US essentially because of their religion, and claiming that they were defending the Constitution to boot. In Germany too at the time it was popular to attack the Jews.
Can't you tell the difference between the legitimate exercise of your freedom of belief on the one hand, and the harassment of people on the other? They were protesting a private function on private property. Imagine if I went to a black families home, brunt a cross on their lawn, and then argued that I was just exercising my freedom of speech. Certainly there must be a dividing line in the US between freedom of speech and harassment, no?
What they were doing is not harassment, it is excercising their freedom of expression...
If you had a bunch of pedo's having a party celebrating their conguests because the law cannot touch them, would you just sit in your comforable home and say.....we live in a free country hmmmm !!!
Says the member with an avatar that states "F!uck off we're full"...
Although I somewhat agree with your characterization, I can't recall him calling Muslims sub human.
Further to that, I watched the video, I was appalled at the commentary thrown at children. But, as sure as Westboro Baptist Asshats have the right to do what they do, Tea Party members have the right to do what they do.
Nothing to do with Goodwin's law. And just to avoid that, Id had mentioned in the post that I was not using the word loosely. Compare the trend towards Muslims since 9/11 in the US with the trend in Germany just prior to the rise of Nazism. I'd also mentioned in my post that I did not think we'd go that far in the end, but do believe that if we're not diligent, we're heading down a slippery slope whereby now harassment of Muslims is now being defended, even at the top levels, as 'free speech'.
Clearly that group has supporters or it wouldn't be so brazenly insulting at a fundraiser. Clearly the harassment of Muslims is becoming ever more acceptable. This is not Goodwin's law but a legitimate observation.
If we want to talk about false claims, then how about the organizers of the event in the video themselves spewing out all kinds of vitriol in the name of free speech even before this thread had even begun. How's that for spewing forth false analogies on a whim.
When I brought up the issue of Nazism, I was careful in bringing it up to make this parallel, and also specified that I was not comparing this to full-fledged Nazism but rather the events in the 1920's and 1930's leading up to it.
Agreed.
I support NAMBLA's right to exercise their right to free speech.
And your point would have been valid, had the Jews of Germany been on a murderous rampage for 10 years prior.
Now they're all pedophiles? How about the man in the video accusing the cameraman of beating his wife. If they really cared about his wife, should they not have called the police on him? Are there no laws in the US against defamation of character? As far as I'm concerned, there is plenty of evidence in the video intending to defame the character of the participants by making claims that they were engaging in illegal activities such as beating their wives in the total absence of any evidence. Just listen to the video again. Oh, and they're speaking clear English by the way so there ought to be no obstacle for you there.
If you defend that as free speech, then you're essentially claiming that defamation of character, and standing in front of private property disrupting people is just 'free speech'.
Get a grip, they were not defaming anyone specifically, they were protesting against what they stand for.
Many of their statement is what is in the Qran which the muslims endorse and live by.
They have a right to express themselves in a free society!!!
ie the protestors !!