AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

[captain morgan]

It's evident that this fraud has decided that ANY climate condition proves its theory.. irrespective of its utter failure to predict any climate conditions EVER..

Very well put. Also, add in the movement's aggressive campaign to re-invent itself by changing (or trying) the focus to "climate change".

They learned very quickly that they had painted themselves into a corner by only claiming the "warming" component as the proof-positive.

I wouldn't give it much thought, except that the solutions... in Kyoto and Carbon Credits, will bring on mammoth economic misery and collapse, while enriching beyond imagination a small autocracy of power brokers. This is what you have to realize about the pagan cult of radical environmentalism, it is a viciously antihuman game of power, aimed at accumulating riches by reducing much of world's population to slavery.

It didn't take very long for the African Union to demand fiscal compensation based on this hoax.... They must be laughing their collective asses off at the abject stupidity surrounding this scheme.

 

[Tonington]

I wouldn't give it much thought, except that the solutions... in Kyoto and Carbon Credits, will bring on mammoth economic misery and collapse, while enriching beyond imagination a small autocracy of power brokers. This is what you have to realize about the pagan cult of radical environmentalism, it is a viciously antihuman game of power, aimed at accumulating riches by reducing much of world's population to slavery.

So there's the kernel of truth in what drives denialism. You wouldn't even consider the actual science-and in fact you don't if you're relying on mainstream media- except that you find some of the proposed solutions unpalatable, ignoring that economists have found solutions cost less up front than paying for the misery later. So naturally, you're drawn to memes and arguments that appeal to this aversion.

It's pretty common amongst the majority of the contrarians.

 

[petros]

I didn't kill any whales and ate very very little ocean fish this year. Where do I sign up to get my whale credits and cash payment?

 

[coldstream]

So there's the kernel of truth in what drives denialism. You wouldn't even consider the actual science-and in fact you don't if you're relying on mainstream media- except that you find some of the proposed solutions unpalatable, ignoring that economists have found solutions cost less up front than paying for the misery later. So naturally, you're drawn to memes and arguments that appeal to this aversion.

It's pretty common amongst the majority of the contrarians.

What irritates me most about the Main Stream media's attempt to promote an tyrannical world order, is that they have complacently and deliberately ignored the accepted source of the the turbulent weather of late December and early January, which rest in a cyclical belt of cold water in the southwest Pacific called El Nina, which produces predictable wet weather in the southern hemisphere and winter blizzards in the Northern Hemisphere, by way of the 'Pineapple Express' weather patterns. The mere fact that such a belt of cold water exists, anomolous to the expectations of AGW predictions, should alone be enough to question the integrity of of the political construct called Global Warming. My problem with AGW is it is NOTHING but a political construct, the 'solutions' driving the 'science'.

 

[JLM]

What irritates me most about the Main Stream media's attempt to promote an tyrannical world order, is that they have complacently and deliberately ignored the accepted source of the the turbulent weather of late December and early January, which rest in a cyclical belt of cold water in the southwest Pacific called El Nina, which produces predictable wet weather in the southern hemisphere and winter blizzards in the Northern Hemisphere, by way of the 'Pineapple Express' weather patterns. The mere fact that such a belt of cold water exists, anomolous to the expectations of AGW predictions, should alone be enough to question the integrity of of the political construct called Global Warming. My problem with AGW is it is NOTHING but a political construct, the 'solutions' driving the 'science'.

You might be onto something there! :smile:

 

[darkbeaver]

So there's the kernel of truth in what drives denialism. You wouldn't even consider the actual science-and in fact you don't if you're relying on mainstream media- except that you find some of the proposed solutions unpalatable, ignoring that economists have found solutions cost less up front than paying for the misery later. So naturally, you're drawn to memes and arguments that appeal to this aversion.

It's pretty common amongst the majority of the contrarians.

An plea to the authority of economists today is precious Tonnington just precious. Denialists and contrarians eh, come on man can't you see you are near bursting with psycophantic delusional compulsions to use the words heretic and blasphemer. Why not afford yourself the release and use them like ya wanna, maybe even get the fire roaring and burn a few contrarian books.

 

[Tonington]

What irritates me most about the Main Stream media's attempt to promote an tyrannical world order, is that they have complacently and deliberately ignored the accepted source of the the turbulent weather of late December and early January, which rest in a cyclical belt of cold water in the southwest Pacific called El Nina, which produces predictable wet weather in the southern hemisphere and winter blizzards in the Northern Hemisphere, by way of the 'Pineapple Express' weather patterns.

I've seen lots of coverage of the snow and turbulent weather. Google news will bring you articles discussing the La Nina and the Australian floods.

See for yourself.

2010, a year in a deep solar minimum, and a year which had a larger La Nina, and for longer than the El Nino, we have statistical ties for the warmest year on record for all of the surface temperature datasets, and for the lower tropospheric microwave satellite datasets.

When you check off the endogenous factors you're left with what? Maybe it has to do with the persistent long-term forcing humans are imposing on the climate?

I bet you never considered that, and won't even now.

The mere fact that such a belt of cold water exists, anomolous to the expectations of AGW predictions, should alone be enough to question the integrity of of the political construct called Global Warming.

You are grossly mistaken. You even called it a cycle...there is no mention anywhere in the literature of climate science that says a warming planet will overwhelm the internal variability of the planetary climate. ENSO (El Nino Southern Oscillation) is a form of internal variability in the Earth climate. It in no way is anomalous to global warming, or any climate change now or in the past.

That is straight up garbage.

My problem with AGW is it is NOTHING but a political construct, the 'solutions' driving the 'science'.

So you say, but you're proving that you know very little of what is out there on the science side of things.

Follow these links in my paragraph below and learn what the science says for yourself. There is no other plausible explanation that has this level of robustness across multiple fields in meteorology/climatology/geoscience:

Scientists know what fingerprints are associated with various forcings on the climate. They have found the fingerprint of an apparent enhanced greenhouse warming in our climate system. They know how much of our emissions are being absorbed by the oceans and terrestrial biosphere. They know what the top of the atmosphere energy imbalance is. They know which spectral bands the outgoing radiation is being trapped at, and they have confirmed satellite observations with ground observations. They can reproduce the current warming with general circulation models (Fig. 9.5a).

 

[petros]

Scientists know what fingerprints are associated with various forcings on the climate.

They found fingerprints on the wads of money that drive alleged IPCC climate science? Whose are they?

The money scientists were way off with their predictions weren't they? Good news is they are creating a $3Trillion carbon market to make it all back.

 

[darkbeaver]

What an horrible suggestion that ahhahahahhahhhhahahhaha professional climate witchdoctors would soil their illustrious persons and positions with common bribes ( known as research funds in gang lingo) from the owners of reality.

 

[Tonington]

They found fingerprints on the wads of money that drive alleged IPCC climate science?

Ahhh, more climate truther wit. It almost writes itself.

Don't bother addressing the science Petros, we all know it's over your head anyways.

Shouldn't you be outside shaking your fist at the airplanes leaving contrails above your ground? :lol:

 

[petros]

Insults again? The last resort of someone with nowhere else to turn.

My wife and I really enjoyed our holiday funded by carbon credits over the past two weeks. Were going again in early Feb during daughter's spring break. This time skiing on clear cut mountains and staying in an old growth cedar log hotel with an outdoor electrically heated hot tub all funded by carbon credits because I can afford a zero till air drill.

Maybe this year I'll find a better broker and get $6 an acre for my 8 seeded and fertilized with natural gas sourced nitrogens sections. Such easy money for those who can afford to go state of the art while burning ridiculous amounts of diesel, using petrochemical based herbicides and tonnes of salt based phosphates and potassium atop the nat gas sourced nitrogen that all wash to the sea and kill the helpless corals and alter potential hydrogen ratios of the seawater.

Yup that sounds like a very gr$$n system worthy of payment for being so earth conscientious to me. How about you? You don't need me to provide a chart of how big of a scam it is do you?


Are you going to wish me "happy "con"trails"?

 

[Tonington]

Insults again? The last resort of someone with nowhere else to turn.

That's about the response I would expect when you can't comment intelligently on analysis of climate fingerprints. We can call it a duck test if you like. If it walks like a duck, swims like a duck, eats like a duck, looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, chances are pretty good that it's not a wandering magnetic pole.

 

[petros]

Can you 100% prove it's all carbon and man?

“If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough” - Albert Einstein

 

[Tonington]

Can you 100% prove it's all carbon and man?

You quote Einstein, here's a quote of his about certainty:

As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
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Science does not deal with 100% certainty, even less so than mathematics. Measurement error, sampling error, variability in systems. Hence the use of statistics. Science doesn't deal in the realm of 100% proofs.

Go back to your conspiracy nonsense. Science isn't up your alley apparently.

 

[petros]

You quote Einstein, here's a quote of his about certainty:

As far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality.
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Science does not deal with 100% certainty, even less so than mathematics. Measurement error, sampling error, variability in systems. Hence the use of statistics. Science doesn't deal in the realm of 100% proofs.

Go back to your conspiracy nonsense. Science isn't up your alley apparently.

What do other sciences say about human nature and greed in the world of reality?

Would you invest in a gold mine if the scientists that verify the resource potential were anonymous and their findings withheld?

Do you have a mortgage? Car loan? Student loans to repay? How far would you get if your data didn't jive with the $3Trillion consensus? Where else could you find gainful employment that hasn't been tainted by the $89Billion pumped into research facilities producing the alleged consensus?

Where would everyone be working and what else would they be working on without the vast funding of public money.

I guess you could work for Mobil which has dedicated a whopping $20 Million to climate research.

 

[Tonington]

See. You're much more comfortable living in a world of conspiracies. Glad I could help you sort that out.

 

[petros]

So are you going to tell me why I get free money for actively particpating in the most destructive industry on the planet or not?

Why do I get paid for clearing bush and seeding more acres while others can't because of laws we imposed on them?

 

[Tonington]

I have no idea what you do, or who pays you what, and I don't care. Start a thread where this would be relevant. Maybe someone will indulge in your irrelevant off-topic questioning when cornered.

 

[petros]

Why is grain and oil seed producing irelevant? According to scientific consensus, industrilized, monoculture, petrochemical herbicide sprayed, salt and nat gas sourced nitrogen fertilized, soil inoculated agriculture is the leading contributer of CO2.

Is that a lie or conspiracy too?

So tell me in simplistic terms why I get paid cash bonuses from carbon credits if I'm the leading cause of the planet dieing?




Out of curiousity why do you work in monoculture instead of using your talents to enhance wild stocks? Do money and a lack of employment opportunities stand in your way of saving the wild stocks from certain oblivion?

 

[Tonington]

Why is grain and oil seed producing irelevant?

Why is the consistency of your stool irrelevant to the price of tea in China? It just is, because the subjects are unrelated, not relevant to one another. Apparently the English language isn't one of your strengths either.

Someone paying you, allegedly for nothing, is completely unrelated to the physical structures in our climate associated with different climate forcings.