Israel - The Right to exist as a State?

Does Israel have the right to exist with secure borders free from attack


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CDNBear

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I don't imply that "everyone lies all the time" my implication is that Israeli and Zionists liars lie all the time. Cute little duck by you to inclusivity. Hide in the crowd if you must. There is no doubt whatever that pound for pound and per capita by per capita Zionist Israelis are the premier liars of all time.
Behind yourself of course.

I mean seriously, at least Israel puts up some credible and undeniable supporting evidence from time to time. Unlike yourself.
 

CUBert

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Well CUBert consider this point

To think that written in the Bible was 100 % accurately transcribed, passed down over the decades etc would be akin to believing that you have common sense and morals.

you're a supporter of the genocidal israeli regime and you're talking to me about morals and common sense?
 

YukonJack

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Does Israel have the Right to exist as a State?

As long as Zambia, Zimbabwe, Somalia, Venezuela, Nigeria, Oman, Pakistan, Yemen, Nicaragua, Mexico, France, Ivory Coast, Ethiopia, Jordan, Nepal, just to mention a few, why not Israel?
 

Risus

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Every group of humans has a right to exist as a State, Republic or something else. Its time the world realizes that and moves on. There are more serious issues to correct in our world.
 

Colpy

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you're a supporter of the genocidal israeli regime and you're talking to me about morals and common sense?

Still making a damned fool of yourself on this particular point, one of many.

Let me reiterate:

You know, of all the idiotic, Jew-hating, hysterical accusations made against Israel, this has to be the most distasteful and requires a special depth of depravity and level of stupidity in the accuser.

You would think they would try something a little more difficult to prove as false....

Arab Population of the West Bank and Gaza in 1970 : slightly over one million.
Arab Immigration to West Bank and Gaza: negligible
Arab Population of the West Bank and Gaza in 2006: approximately four million

Arab population of Israel proper in 1949: 159,100
Arab immigration: negligible
Arab population of Israel proper in 2006: 1,413,300

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

If the Zionists are genocidal......they are spectacularly bad at it! lol
 

Goober

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you're a supporter of the genocidal israeli regime and you're talking to me about morals and common sense?

You call me a supporter of a genocidal regime yet you once stated about literally nuking all the Jews. Rather Hitlerseque in your racist opinion - And Goebbels-like in your ability to repeat a lie often enough that it becomes fact to you and fiction to those with a tad of good judgment.

The Arabs have always been their own worst enemy. The murder, kill, oppress, torture, hang, make families disappear, and then they
start again.

They also use religion as a weapon against their own people, that combined with hating Jews works quite well for them.

You should convert, you would fit right in.


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CUBert

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Every group of humans has a right to exist as a State, Republic or something else. Its time the world realizes that and moves on. There are more serious issues to correct in our world.

Israel is a serious problem and detrimental to peace in the middle east.

Still making a damned fool of yourself on this particular point, one of many.

Let me reiterate:

You know, of all the idiotic, Jew-hating, hysterical accusations made against Israel, this has to be the most distasteful and requires a special depth of depravity and level of stupidity in the accuser.

You would think they would try something a little more difficult to prove as false....

Arab Population of the West Bank and Gaza in 1970 : slightly over one million.
Arab Immigration to West Bank and Gaza: negligible
Arab Population of the West Bank and Gaza in 2006: approximately four million

Arab population of Israel proper in 1949: 159,100
Arab immigration: negligible
Arab population of Israel proper in 2006: 1,413,300

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

If the Zionists are genocidal......they are spectacularly bad at it! lol

I'm positive you've lost this argument already , numerous times in fact.

You call me a supporter of a genocidal regime yet you once stated about literally nuking all the Jews. Rather Hitlerseque in your racist opinion - And Goebbels-like in your ability to repeat a lie often enough that it becomes fact to you and fiction to those with a tad of good judgment.

The Arabs have always been their own worst enemy. The murder, kill, oppress, torture, hang, make families disappear, and then they
start again.

They also use religion as a weapon against their own people, that combined with hating Jews works quite well for them.

You should convert, you would fit right in.


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Ok, I don't know what's going on in this post.. Firstly you make up a lie that I want all jews nuked... Even if I was vehemently anti-jewish , to nuke all jews would be suicide as jews are scattered all over the world... And anyways, i'm not anti-jewish.... then after that erroneous accusation of racism you've bestowed upon me, you actually begin spewing racist rhetoric !!!!!
you say Arabs are all murders, oppressors (LOL), torturers, make families disappear?? (basically you're describing the actions of the terrorist American government in the middle east and south america, not arabs)... and finally you insinuate wrongly that all Arabs are muslim...
i can't comprehend the load of garbage your post was... my mind is still boggled..
 

CUBert

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The only problem Israel seems to have are people like you who will not leave them in peace..


no i'm not part of Israel's problem, i just make my opinions known over a message board... i don't shoot rockets into israel . in reality i don't care to do anything, i'll just watch people kill themselves off and hope for an eventual extinction.
 

Risus

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no i'm not part of Israel's problem, i just make my opinions known over a message board... i don't shoot rockets into israel . in reality i don't care to do anything, i'll just watch people kill themselves off and hope for an eventual extinction.
So you don't believe a group of people have the right to live in peace? If you actually believe that, you are a pitiful individual.
 

Risus

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Not at the expense of other people living in peace!!
If you are claiming the Israelis are the agressor, you are mislead and should slink away with your tail between your legs before you have so much egg on your face it becomes an omelet.
 

CUBert

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I'm positive you've lost this argument already , numerous times in fact.

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I seriously doubt I will ever lose an argument with you.........:)

You haven't won one yet

If you are claiming the Israelis are the agressor, you are mislead and should slink away with your tail between your legs before you have so much egg on your face it becomes an omelet.

This post is so ridiculous I'll have to believe you're trolling.
 

Goober

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Israel is a serious problem and detrimental to peace in the middle east.



I'm positive you've lost this argument already , numerous times in fact.


Ok, I don't know what's going on in this post.. Firstly you make up a lie that I want all jews nuked... Even if I was vehemently anti-jewish , to nuke all jews would be suicide as jews are scattered all over the world... And anyways, i'm not anti-jewish.... then after that erroneous accusation of racism you've bestowed upon me, you actually begin spewing racist rhetoric !!!!!
you say Arabs are all murders, oppressors (LOL), torturers, make families disappear?? (basically you're describing the actions of the terrorist American government in the middle east and south america, not arabs)... and finally you insinuate wrongly that all Arabs are muslim...
i can't comprehend the load of garbage your post was... my mind is still boggled..

You made a post about Israel. a dome over Gaza and then get rid of them Israel - Now 20 % of the population in Israel is Arab. Ask them if they want to emigrate to Gaza or the West Bank - Or Palestine when it becomes a state - Not to many will step up to the plate for that.

No I do not state that all Arabs are Muslim - But all Arab Govts are. Now check the demographics on the emigration from Arab countries and minority religions are high on the list.


Now check your posts on what I stated you posted.

no i'm not part of Israel's problem, i just make my opinions known over a message board... i don't shoot rockets into israel . in reality i don't care to do anything, i'll just watch people kill themselves off and hope for an eventual extinction.
Well you could always be the first one to start.
 

ironsides

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no i'm not part of Israel's problem, i just make my opinions known over a message board... i don't shoot rockets into israel . in reality i don't care to do anything, i'll just watch people kill themselves off and hope for an eventual extinction.
There is one thing to have a opinion and another to just hate a people/government. Israel has done wonderful things in the Mid-East, a lot more than the Arabs have done in the past 60 years or so. The desert has been brought back to life for one, not to mention all the advances in medicine we owe them. Merry Christmas CUBert
 

CUBert

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There is one thing to have a opinion and another to just hate a people/government. Israel has done wonderful things in the Mid-East, a lot more than the Arabs have done in the past 60 years or so. The desert has been brought back to life for one, not to mention all the advances in medicine we owe them. Merry Christmas CUBert

Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Islamic Golden Age is traditionally dated from the mid-7th century to the mid-13th century A.D.[1][2] During this period, artists, engineers, scholars, poets, philosophers, geographers and traders in the Islamic world contributed to agriculture, the arts, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, sociology, and technology, both by preserving earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own.[3] Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together made a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent."[3]
 

Goober

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Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Islamic Golden Age is traditionally dated from the mid-7th century to the mid-13th century A.D.[1][2] During this period, artists, engineers, scholars, poets, philosophers, geographers and traders in the Islamic world contributed to agriculture, the arts, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, sociology, and technology, both by preserving earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own.[3] Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together made a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent."[3]

And then they had their own Reformation as happened in Europe later. The only problem was the Muslims turned in-wards and away from many of the accomplishments that you mention.

From your link

Decline
Further information: Islamic science: Decline
See also: Great divergence and European miracle
"The achievements of the Arabic speaking peoples between the ninth and twelfth centuries are so great as to baffle our understanding. The decadence of Islam and of Arabic is almost as puzzling in its speed and completeness as their phenomenal rise. Scholars will forever try to explain it as they try to explain the decadence and fall of Rome. Such questions are exceedingly complex and it is impossible to answer them in a simple way."
George Sarton , The Incubation of Western Culture in the Middle East'[213]
According to the traditional view of Islamic civilization, which had at the outset been creative and dynamic in dealing with issues, it began to struggle to respond to the challenges and rapid changes it faced from the 12th century onwards, towards the end of the Abbassid rule; despite a brief respite with the new Ottoman rule, the decline apparently continued until its eventual collapse and subsequent stagnation in the 20th century. Some scholars such as M. I. Sanduk believe that the declination began from around the 11th century and still continued after this.[214] Some other scholars have come to question the traditional picture of decline, pointing to a continuing and creative scientific tradition through to the 15th and 16th centuries,[

Israel is a serious problem and detrimental to peace in the middle east.



I'm positive you've lost this argument already , numerous times in fact.


Ok, I don't know what's going on in this post.. Firstly you make up a lie that I want all jews nuked... Even if I was vehemently anti-jewish , to nuke all jews would be suicide as jews are scattered all over the world... And anyways, i'm not anti-jewish.... then after that erroneous accusation of racism you've bestowed upon me, you actually begin spewing racist rhetoric !!!!!
you say Arabs are all murders, oppressors (LOL), torturers, make families disappear?? (basically you're describing the actions of the terrorist American government in the middle east and south america, not arabs)... and finally you insinuate wrongly that all Arabs are muslim...
i can't comprehend the load of garbage your post was... my mind is still boggled..


1st off - I do not lie - I do not hate people because of religious or non religious beliefs - I hate Racists, Thieves, liar, Trolls and those that are for the complete annihilation of a state - A Jewish State.
That makes you
1 - A Racist
2- A NAZI
3- And No morals, no personal character outside of pure unadulterated Racism & Hatred.


Your Post

Read the last para.

Perhaps you have some sort of an explanation for it - Goebbles did along with many other Nazi's that belived that the mass murder on a massive scale never before seen in history, assembly line murder of millions.

Yep - You llke Jews - Like that old saying - and a racist one at that - The only good Indian is a dead Indian - Substitute Jew as I know you have difficulty with simple thoughts.



Washington has offered Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu 20 advanced US fighter jets as well as other tempting goodies if Israel agrees to extend its freeze on settlement construction in the West Bank.

Indeed, the offer from Washington is so tantalizing that even the Israeli media is calling it a “bribe.”

Netanyahu, who was in the United States last week to hammer out the details of the “compromise,” has been offered $3 billion (1 billion pounds) worth of advanced F-35 jets. These on top of the 20 F-35s Israel already plans to buy for $2.75 billion drawn from annual grants it gets from Washington.

In other words, Israel is slated to receive 40 advanced fighter jets – a package worth just under $6 billion dollars – absolutely free of charge courtesy of the US taxpayer.

Fighter jets and peace talks

It must seem ironic to some political observers that US President Barack Obama, who was awarded with the Nobel Peace Prize last year, is the same man who is indulging Israel with America’s most advanced fighter weapons of war to stay committed to the Middle East peace plan.

There is also the question of supplying Israel, albeit a valuable US ally, with so much expensive military hardware at the same time American citizens are forced to cut back on spending due to the financial crisis.

forgot the punchline:

quote: Indeed, the very fact that the United States has included a clause stating that it would not request further settlement freeze extensions in the future, while also declaring its intent to side with Israel in the face of any UN challenge does not seem to bode well for the immediate future of the peace talks.​
i mean, can people even comprehend this? obama's "compromise" to israel is that they stop building settlements for 90 days, and in return they get billions of dollars worth of merchandise to murder palestinians with and they can continue to expand as much as they want in the west bank, forever. wow, this administration sure drives a hard bargain!!!!!!!!

the best part is what will probably happen is israel will reject the offer and obama will give them the military hardware and allow them to keep expanding indefinitely anyway

construct some sort of sci-fi dome structure over the gaza strip and west bank capable of withstanding the heat of a thousand suns and cleanse the zionist cockroaches from the face of the earth with nuclear fire
 

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Islamic Golden Age - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Islamic Golden Age is traditionally dated from the mid-7th century to the mid-13th century A.D.[1][2] During this period, artists, engineers, scholars, poets, philosophers, geographers and traders in the Islamic world contributed to agriculture, the arts, economics, industry, law, literature, navigation, philosophy, sciences, sociology, and technology, both by preserving earlier traditions and by adding inventions and innovations of their own.[3] Howard R. Turner writes: "Muslim artists and scientists, princes and laborers together made a unique culture that has directly and indirectly influenced societies on every continent."[3]

I agree with what advances the Arabs made during their Golden Age, but that civilization turned to dust in the Mid-East hundreds of years ago. We live today, and Israel is today.