Death knell for AGW

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http://www.er.gov.sk.ca/adx/aspx/ad...=SASKPOWER+EOR+Workshop+-+Calgary+(final).pdf

It's still cheaper to import CO2 than build a carbon capture system because the market value of CO2 has yet to materialize.

That's too bad. We'll have to build a sour gas power plant because some jackasses banned new coal stations after next year.

Want to buy some sulfur scrubbed from a sour gas power plant so we can stop importing CO2 to enhance crude oil extraction so we can burn even more petroleum?
 

Avro

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Funny, there is snow so AGW is a scam and a conspiracy....keep em coming Walt.:lol:

BTW, Perter Foster better be careful or he will get sued again for spreading misinformation.

Read the following article by a real climatologist....you know...an actual scientists...the ones you never ever turn to for facts Walt.

Climate Fraud and Hypocrisy

Or you could use this new guide to look throught the AR4 yourself and pick out all the flaws and fraud.

My gift to you Walt....Merry Christmas.
 

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Funny, there is snow so AGW is a scam and a conspiracy....keep em coming Walt.:lol:

BTW, Perter Foster better be careful or he will get sued again for spreading misinformation.

Read the following article by a real climatologist....you know...an actual scientists...the ones you never ever turn to for facts Walt.

Climate Fraud and Hypocrisy

Or you could use this new guide to look throught the AR4 yourself and pick out all the flaws and fraud.

My gift to you Walt....Merry Christmas.

I imagine he would prefer a lump of coal :lol:
 

Avro

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....and now your lump of coal Walt.



A quick glance at this NOAA generated imageshows how the Arctic warming/continental cooling situation remains over North America and Eurasia.

If you compare this to my recent postings on the topic, you’ll see that the arctic warm anomaly is even more extreme in the current 5 day average, covering a wider area and especially intense around the Northern Canada/Hudson Bay area.

Meanwhile......Cold winters 'driven by global warming'

 

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Top Ten Climate Events In 2010

1. Mid-Atlantic Cities Break All-Time Snowfall Records
The year got off to a snowy start in the eastern U.S., with record-breaking storms along the Mid-Atlantic coast. The Nor’easter that struck in the first week of February — which quickly became known as “Snowmageddon” – dumped so much snow that it helped Baltimore, Wilmington, Philadelphia, Atlantic City and Washington break all-time records for winter snow totals. For example, Washington’s Reagan National Airport received 56.1 inches of snow during the 2009-10 winter, compared to the average total of just 15.2 inches!
2. Flooding in Nashville, Tennessee
Spring typically brings rain showers to much of the U.S., but in 2010 excessive rainfall caused a number of serious floods in the Southeast, the worst of which occurred in Tennessee. On May 1, rain began falling heavily in the middle and western regions of the state. Within 48 hours, between 13 and 19 inches of rainhad fallen, and many rivers overflowed. When the deluge finally let up two days later, large areas had been engulfed by floodwaters. At least 33 people died in the Tennessee floods, and the Nashville Planning Department says the state’s capital suffered $1.9 billion in damages — including damage to the iconicGrande Ole Opry Theatre.


3. Record-breaking Heat Waves and Droughts in Africa and the Middle East
In June 2010, a scorching heat wave in Africa and the Middle East broke a number of all-time temperature records in the region. In fact, between May and June, seven countries broke their previous high temperature records: Pakistan, Myanmar (Burma), Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Chad, Niger and Kuwait. On June 15, Kuwait posted its hottest-ever temperature when the mercury rose to 126.7°F in the city of Abdaly.
The incredible heat did more than just shatter temperature records. In Saudi Arabia, a sandstorm that accompanied the extreme heat led to a number of power-outages in parts of the country. In Pakistan, temperatures climbed as high as 128.3°F, the highest temperature ever recorded in the continent of Asia, according to Weather Underground.
4. Russian Heat Wave
Another region struck by intense heat during the summer of 2010 was western Russia, and Moscow in particular. On June 29, the mercury rose above 100°F in Moscow for the first time on record, and such abnormally high temperatures lasted for well over a month. According to Weather Underground meteorologist Jeff Masters, Moscow experienced 26 consecutive days with temperatures above 86°F this summer and then, on August 6, records broke again when Moscow hit 102°F. Elsewhere in Russia, temperatures climbed as high at 111°F, the highest temperature ever recorded in that country (not including the former Soviet Republics).

5. U.S. Summer Heat Waves
The United States was not spared from the year’s record heat events. Across the East, the summer was marked by several episodes of extreme heat and humidity. Delaware, New Jersey and North Carolina experienced their warmest June on record, as did several cities, including New York, Washington, and Philadelphia.
On July 6 and 7, an intense heat wave struck the Northeast, from Maine down to Pennsylvania. Parts of New York, New Jersey and Connecticut were hit with temperatures above 100°F. Overall, the month of July was the hottest on record in Rhode Island and Delaware and it ranked amongst the 10th warmest for each state along the East Coast.
6. Pakistan Monsoon and Flooding
The monsoon season was particularly cruel in Pakistan. In late July, unrelenting torrential rains battered the eastern part of the country, triggering severe flooding. Within just four days after the rains began, the Associated Press reported nearly a thousand people had been killed. The floods continued well into September. According to the United Nations, floodwaters drove millions of people from their homes and affected a total of 20 million people. In addition to destroying homes and livelihoods, the flooding caused extensive damage to Pakistan’s infrastructure, including power plants and thousands of miles of roads, railways, and public buildings. Labeled as the worst natural disaster in Pakistan’s history, the death toll has reached nearly 2,000.
7. Third Lowest Arctic Sea Ice Extent
Every summer, as the Northern Hemisphere warms up, the amount of sea ice in the Arctic begins to shrink back. It usually reaches its minimum extent in September, then starts to refreeze as temperatures begin to drop. The 2010 minimum came on September 19, 2010 — and this year’s was the third lowest ever recorded by satellites since such records began in 1979.
8. Lake Mead Record Low
The Hoover Dam (originally known as the Boulder Dam) was erected in the 1930s, and by 1943 Lake Mead had risen out of the Colorado River to a height of 1,220 feet above sea level. But this year, on October 18, Lake Mead reached a record low, dropping down to just 1083.9 feet, having lost about 12 stories of height. Though still about eight feet above the designated point of a critical water shortage, the low water levels are a warning signal to the millions of people in Southwest states who rely on this resource for drinking water and irrigation.

9. Amazon Drought
For the second time in five years, the Amazon River basin in northwestern Brazil is in severe drought. Brought on by a particularly arid dry season through April and May, the drought has extended through to November. One of the primary Amazon tributaries, the Rio Negro, dropped to its lowest level since records began in 1902, according to the Brazilian Geological Service. As water levels along the Rio Negro dropped severely in October, water temperatures in the river also began to climb, killing millions of fish and contaminating the water supplies for thousands that live in the region.
10. Final Annual Temperature Ranking
The latest numbers from NOAA are in, and January to November 2010 is tied with 2005 for the dubious honor of “The Warmest Year on Record” (records date back to 1880). As for November 2010, it was officially the second warmest on record, even with the cooling effect of La Niña in the mix. The global oceans ranked only 10th warmest, whereas the land surface made up the difference and came in more than 0.3ºF warmer than the previous warmest November. The full year is expected to finish up as the hottest on record, or close behind, once the statistics for December are averaged in.
For more complete info, see the original here.
 

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Half Way Through Al Gore's Decade To Doom

Gregory Oatis


Five years ago today, in the months prior to the release of his movie, An Inconvenient Truth, the beloved future Nobel Peace Prize winner and ecological prophet, Al Gore, was at the Sundance Film Festival making a fearsome prediction:
We have only ten years left to save the planet from thermal disaster.
At the time, dittoheads may recall, Rush Limbaugh picked up on the forecast and began tracking the progress of the impending disaster. Hence the page on Rush's website ("Algore Doomsday Clock") dedicated to the countdown.

Admittedly, despite Al's heartfelt exhortations, no nation on earth has implemented the draconian anti-carbon, anti-prosperity measures that our ecological betters have been advocating. So where do we as a planet stand today, precisely half way down the slide to global oblivion?

Well, with snows totaling more than three feet this month, January 2011 is the absolute, Number One, hands-down snowiest ever recorded in the history of this East Coast global warming opinion center.

(And be sure to keep those funny hats and blow toys close at hand, as more fluffy white global change is predicted for the next few days.)

But of course, that's just an anecdotal climactic anomaly, right? No conclusions can be drawn from it whatsoever, since NYC is just a single point on the vast global expanse. Right?

Well, yes and no. Because NYC is hardly alone. Locales across North America and Europe are reporting cold and snow at historic levels.

In fact, today's Daily Star out of London reports that the winter of 2010-2011 may be England's coldest in more than 1,000 years. (Due to some irregularities with the data in the years prior to the mid-17th century, weather experts can't be absolutely definitive in their claim.)

So far, no word from Mr. Gore -- or his fiery crystal ball -- on what the next five years holds as we advance toward possible extinction.

(Sigh.)

As someone still in thrall to the silly superstition that is religion, I can only observe that God has a tremendous sense of humor.
 

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Well, with snows totaling more than three feet this month, January 2011 is the absolute, Number One, hands-down snowiest ever recorded in the history of this East Coast global warming opinion center.

As the globe warms, more moisture is in the air. It's a feedback. Last year we set a global record for not only temperature, but moisture as well. It's continuing into 2011. American thinkers might have thought of that connection...if they were actually thinking seriously.
 

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As the globe warms, more moisture is in the air. It's a feedback. Last year we set a global record for not only temperature, but moisture as well. It's continuing into 2011. American thinkers might have thought of that connection...if they were actually thinking seriously.


... So... What is the acceptable range of "climate stasis" that is the goal here? If you are prepared to assess a cause-effect relationship in this matter, you must have a baseline to measure against.
 

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If you are prepared to assess a cause-effect relationship in this matter, you must have a baseline to measure against.
The cause-effect relationship is already established long ago...Add heat to a pot of water and watch the vapour come off...where do you think precipitation comes from?
 

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I didn't ask if you could provide an example about the cause-effect relationship.

I am interested in hearing about the base-line or the accepted range of "climate stasis" that is the measuring stick upon which anyone can make the claim that a specific variable (anthropogenic CO2) is the "cause" in this relationship
 

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I didn't ask if you could provide an example about the cause-effect relationship.

I am interested in hearing about the base-line or the accepted range of "climate stasis" that is the measuring stick upon which anyone can make the claim that a specific variable (anthropogenic CO2) is the "cause" in this relationship

Well, if you have your thinking cap on, I was responding to a rather idiotic bit of reasoning that Walter posted from the American Stinker. They seem to think that snow invalidates Al Gores claims about future global warming, I simply pointed out that it's not true. And it doesn't matter how the climate is being forced. That's another question altogether, but it's typical of deniers to have no cohesive explanation.

Claim it's not warming. But it is warming. Ahh, but it's not man-made. Evidence says otherwise. But it's not warming. And on, and on....
 

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Well, if you have your thinking cap on, I was responding to a rather idiotic bit of reasoning that Walter posted from the American Stinker. They seem to think that snow invalidates Al Gores claims about future global warming, I simply pointed out that it's not true. And it doesn't matter how the climate is being forced. That's another question altogether, but it's typical of deniers to have no cohesive explanation.

Claim it's not warming. But it is warming. Ahh, but it's not man-made. Evidence says otherwise. But it's not warming. And on, and on....

The question I asked is independent of Walter's question.

Care to actually respond to it?