It appears to be so for you, but certainly not to a large portion of the population. Why it upsets you so much is something known only to you. But you might want to see a therapist before you blow a gasket.
House of Representatives debating repealing ban on gays in military
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It appears to be so for you, but certainly not to a large portion of the population. Why it upsets you so much is something known only to you. But you might want to see a therapist before you blow a gasket.
It's fuzzy, isn't it....Jack may think students have the right to have employers like the US military come to their schools.
"To hell with resumes!" they'll say. "Someone come to my school and give me a job!"
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Kagan kicked out campus recruiters at first chance - Washington Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/us/politics/07kagan.html
Posts #23 and #24 are articles referring to military recruiters being banned from University campuses. Knowing the virulently anti-military mindset of those who run the universities in the States that is not at all surprising.
However, that was in the days when the military did not openly encourage gays and Lesbians - one of the most important constituency of Democrats - to join the forces. Now, that they can openly flaunt their sexuality, surely the liberals can no longer object to military recruiters coming to campuses.
Mind you, they probably will not bother so much any more.
mentalfloss and Tonnington, maybe this clears it up even more:
ROTC and Military Recruiters Still Banned From College Campus Be A Patriot!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/07/us/politics/07kagan.html
Posts #23 and #24 are articles referring to military recruiters being banned from University campuses. Knowing the virulently anti-military mindset of those who run the universities in the States that is not at all surprising.
However, that was in the days when the military did not openly encourage gays and Lesbians - one of the most important constituency of Democrats - to join the forces. Now, that they can openly flaunt their sexuality, surely the liberals can no longer object to military recruiters coming to campuses.
Mind you, they probably will not bother so much any more.
mentalfloss and Tonnington, maybe this clears it up even more:
ROTC and Military Recruiters Still Banned From College Campus Be A Patriot!
I think there's a million other things Obama's government needed to be working on. However gays are serving in the Canadian and US Forces and should not have to do so underground because of stereotyping and homophobia.
Get over it.
Get over it.
Liberal logic? Maybe you can name the right Jack is referring to. Use any kind of logic you want.
If someone wants to join the military, they don't require a recruiter. You can talk to them on the phone, through email, or go to a recruiting office...
Liberal logic? Ain't that an oxymoron?
If the articles I posted and my own post had been given even a cursory glance (never mind reading them) there would be no misunderstanding. At least not willful, obstinate misunderstanding.
BTW, this is my last post on this topic. (Unless properly provoked).
Kind of ironic considering he's usually the first to merrily jump on others for being stuck in a paradigm. Don't be a sheep - unless you're a "conservative sheep", lol
I've read the Bill of Rights...the right to have a military recruiter access college students isn't a right. The court challenges relating to military recruiters relied on the Solomon Amendment, which isn't a right at all. It's a US code that allows the Secretary of defense to deny federal grants to institutions of higher learning that prohibit or prevent recruiting on campus, and ROTC.
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Now, that DADT has been repealed, can the Armed Forces come to University campuses to recruit?
After all, if they could not, that would be denying gays and lesbians their rights.
is gibberish that has no support in constitutional law whatsoever.After all, if they could not, that would be denying gays and lesbians their rights.
I understand that recruiters used to be allowed in colleges and universities in the US the same as lawyer's firms or engineering firms do...and the thing I understood from Yukon jack's post was that it all stopped for the Army recruiters when Kagan had an issue with "don't ask, don't tell".
and if it is not a right for military to sell themselves to students that are of age , then why should it be a right for commercial firms to do it.....simple logic...not fuzzy logic no matter what brainiac has to say:lol:
It is simple logic...commercial firms don't have that right either. A college or university isn't obligated to allow a commercial firm to recruit. The Federal government has an actual law which makes it difficult to operate if the school denies access to military recruiters, for instance educational grants can be withheld. And if you'll note, Jack was referring implicitly to the rights of gay and lesbian students, not firms or employers. There is no right in the original Bill of Rights, or any of the amendments afterwards that says students have a right to have employers recruit them at their college or university.
Simple, right? Or should I say left? :lol:
I mean he could just admit that he was talking out of his ass. Instead he cut and run. What a coward!
So if I'm using left logic, then what exactly would you call his?
I was gonna try to explain it to you again but I realize the futility because you don't seem to even want to try to understand... so with my typing speed it would be a waste of time.
There either is a right or there isn't Das. Jack can't just make up rights as he pleases.
He could actually try reading Rumsfeld v. FAIR, you could as well:
http://www.law.duke.edu/publiclaw/supremecourtonline/certgrants/2005/rumvfor.html
He could actually try reading Rumsfeld v. FAIR, you could as well:
http://www.law.duke.edu/publiclaw/supremecourtonline/certgrants/2005/rumvfor.html
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Only because people who believe that make it so. If they'd mind their own business and let people love who they want there'd be no issue.
On the broader matter of rights though, it appears from recent exchanges here that a lot of people don't really know what a right is. For something to be a right means you are entitled to act on it without the permission of others. I'd be very surprised if military recruiters could set up a booth on a university's premises without the university's consent, for example, so that's not a right. Similarly, you don't have a right to drive a car, get married, go fishing, or practice medicine. Anything that requires permission from others, like in the form of a license as those do, is not a right. Rights extend only to asking for the permission, there's no guarantee you'll get it.
If sexuality required licensing what would you set the fees at? Would heteros be incarcerated for boinking without a license and tossed into the cooler? Would masterbation require a learner's license? Would elderly require retesting every 5 years? What about liability for child out of wedlock "accidents"? Who has the right of way in threesome?
I have read most of your chit chat on the subject of gays in the military, it seems that it was more of a problem with politicians and civilians not those actually in the service doing the fighting. Yes there were some bigoted fools in the military who were against it that never left their desks, or had some other ailment. I know for myself and most who served with me we didn't care what a person was as long as they did their job, protected each other. We were closer than most brothers and sisters. Those who weren't there may not fully understand.
In 20 years gays and lesbian will be able to tell their stories of mistreatment the same way as Jefferson Alexander spoke of how the Nazis treated him as an officer unlike his own nation of birth and flag he fought under.