Death knell for AGW

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It’s about that time of year again, as winter snowstorms provoke the inevitable “Whatever happened to Global Warming” jokes and news stories, to be reminded of the powerfully persuasive evidence that made Stu Ostro, senior Meteorologist at the Weather Channel, belatedly wake up to the case for climate change.

Pot, kettle, black.. It was no accident that the laughable statements that we were in the 'warmest year ever on record' last year was timed to be issued during the July heat wave.

Brrr.. its getting colder. The reason is not Anthropogenic, it all has to do with solar radiation and cycles.. as It always has....

As MIT professor, Richard Lindzen, one of the few brave enough to confront the AGW establishment, which has taken on an increasingly desperate and outrageous public relations tactics, states.. storms are caused by Cold Weather. If we were heating up we should be seeing an calming of storm activity.

We see just the opposite. Sorry but AGW science is JUNK. Worse.. it is a con game aimed at cornering the carbon market for the Global Investment organism.. and impoverishing billions... only one facet, but an important one, of imposing a draconian Free Market regime on the world economy through fear mongering. That is all that AGW and its solutions in 'Carbon Credits' is about.
 
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Pot, kettle, black.. It was no accident that the laughable statements that we were in the 'warmest year ever on record' last year was timed to be issued during the July heat wave.

Brrr.. its getting colder. The reason is not Anthropogenic, it all has to do with solar radiation and cycles.. as It always has....




Keep trying.
 

petros

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There you go petros. Now you don't have to rely on Beakman anymore.
I thought that was Nye.

How ironic.. The AGW Emperor has no clothes and is suffering from terrible shrinkage due to the plummeting temps...

But rest assured, the globe is warming
I'm glad you guys like that one.



Keep trying.
When is the next solar max? 2012? Solar max is why they use an 11 year aveage. Post it again in 2013 and we'll discuss the correlation.
 

Tonington

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Here is the reason for global warming, presented overly simplified: The Sun. End of story! It is now thought to be the blame for all warming of all planets that are experiencing a heat up right now. Ddduuuhhh.
What a load of rubbish. Four planets are warming, not all of them, but it must be the sun? That's stupidity defined.

Besides the other planets not behaving as expected if that were the case, there's also the fact that solar brightness is trending down...and has been since the 70's, as the graph above makes clear. And then the pesky fact that our atmosphere shows no evidence of increased solar warming, the stratosphere is cooling...which tends to happen when less radiation is escaping to space from the planet. Think of what happens when someone blocks the line of sight from a firepit. Cools down...
 

petros

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Solar Storm Warning


March 10, 2006:
It's official: Solar minimum has arrived. Sunspots have all but vanished. Solar flares are nonexistent. The sun is utterly quiet.

Like the quiet before a storm.

This week researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958.
http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/istp/outreach/auroras.html
That was a solar maximum. The Space Age was just beginning: Sputnik was launched in Oct. 1957 and Explorer 1 (the first US satellite) in Jan. 1958. In 1958 you couldn't tell that a solar storm was underway by looking at the bars on your cell phone; cell phones didn't exist. Even so, people knew something big was happening when Northern Lights were sighted three times in Mexico. A similar maximum now would be noticed by its effect on cell phones, GPS, weather satellites and many other modern technologies.
Right: Intense auroras over Fairbanks, Alaska, in 1958. [More]
Dikpati's prediction is unprecedented. In nearly-two centuries since the 11-year sunspot cycle was discovered, scientists have struggled to predict the size of future maxima—and failed. Solar maxima can be intense, as in 1958, or barely detectable, as in 1805, obeying no obvious pattern.

The key to the mystery, Dikpati realized years ago, is a conveyor belt on the sun.
We have something similar here on Earth—the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt, popularized in the sci-fi movie The Day After Tomorrow. It is a network of currents that carry water and heat from ocean to ocean--see the diagram below. In the movie, the Conveyor Belt stopped and threw the world's weather into chaos.

The sun's conveyor belt is a current, not of water, but of electrically-conducting gas. It flows in a loop from the sun's equator to the poles and back again. Just as the Great Ocean Conveyor Belt controls weather on Earth, this solar conveyor belt controls weather on the sun. Specifically, it controls the sunspot cycle.

Solar physicist David Hathaway of the National Space Science & Technology Center (NSSTC) explains: "First, remember what sunspots are--tangled knots of magnetism generated by the sun's inner dynamo. A typical sunspot exists for just a few weeks. Then it decays, leaving behind a 'corpse' of weak magnetic fields."
Enter the conveyor belt.

"The top of the conveyor belt skims the surface of the sun, sweeping up the magnetic fields of old, dead sunspots. The 'corpses' are dragged down at the poles to a depth of 200,000 km where the sun's magnetic dynamo can amplify them. Once the corpses (magnetic knots) are reincarnated (amplified), they become buoyant and float back to the surface." Presto—new sunspots!



All this happens with massive slowness. "It takes about 40 years for the belt to complete one loop," says Hathaway. The speed varies "anywhere from a 50-year pace (slow) to a 30-year pace (fast)."

When the belt is turning "fast," it means that lots of magnetic fields are being swept up, and that a future sunspot cycle is going to be intense. This is a basis for forecasting: "The belt was turning fast in 1986-1996," says Hathaway. "Old magnetic fields swept up then should re-appear as big sunspots in 2010-2011."

Like most experts in the field, Hathaway has confidence in the conveyor belt model and agrees with Dikpati that the next solar maximum should be a doozy. But he disagrees with one point. Dikpati's forecast puts Solar Max at 2012. Hathaway believes it will arrive sooner, in 2010 or 2011.

"History shows that big sunspot cycles 'ramp up' faster than small ones," he says. "I expect to see the first sunspots of the next cycle appear in late 2006 or 2007—and Solar Max to be underway by 2010 or 2011."
Who's right? Time will tell. Either way, a storm is coming.
 

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They weren't right, the first sun spot of cycle 24 appeared Jan 10, 2008.

And no sign of a max underway for this year (almost over) or next year, nor does it appear to be an especially intense cycle:
 

petros

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They weren't right, the first sun spot of cycle 24 appeared Jan 10, 2008.

And no sign of a max underway for this year (almost over) or next year, nor does it appear to be an especially intense cycle:
From post #890...

***NEW UPDATE***
NASA has revised their prediction for solar maximum to now occur around mid-May of 2013

Pay attention or ignore me for real, don't lie about it.