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[ironsides]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

If Assange broke US law, I'm sure he would have been charged by now. Instead he has been charged with some ridiculous trumped up charges. I'd say the Swedish criminal justice system is also on trial here.

If publishing leaked documents is a crime, then all the news sources which have published these documents as well as people who quote them in forums like this are just as guilty as Assange.

There is a fine line between Freedom of the press and a individuals freedom, but that is not in question in this case Julian Assange is making a profit from the papers, he is selling them just to make trouble (he is a an accused rapist as well as a know for profit whistle blower (no different than Julius and Ethel Rosenberg giving Russia the secrets to the atomic bomb. . He must be stopped from destroying what ever negotiations happened between individuals an countries. They were obvious not for public display, we are not required to know everything. A state cannot exist without some secrets.

 

[earth_as_one]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

If the US has a legal problem with Assange's actions, then they should charge him with something and seek his extradition. I disagree with playing dirty by smearing people with sex charges.

States must have secrets. Nuclear weapon designs for example. The real problem is how their system allowed this sort of information to leak out not Assange's actions.

Assange efforts to seeks fame, notoriety and wealth is beside the point.

 

[ironsides]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

How would tying Assange down in court prevent anything? As I understand, he's just the phsyical head of the organization and documents can still be posted even if he is in prison.

The whole rape case is meant to slander his reputation, hence in most news article, they'll introduce him as "Julian Assange, currently on trial in a rape case, et al". Doesn't necessarily work very well on my generation or those of us connected to the internet, but the ''Channel Six Babyboomers" are probably lapping it up.

Don't misunderstand me, I never mentioned bringing Assange to court.

 

[earth_as_one]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

Do you support going after Assange's lawyers too? How about his children?

US MILITARY supporters have made death threats against Julian Assange’s family in Australia, the WikiLeaks founder has said. The 39-year-old Australian, who caused global diplomatic embarrassment after leaking a sensitive haul of US embassy cables last week, told Spanish newspaper El Pais of his fears for the safety of his family and his lawyers after recently receiving threats.

Assange said he “had hundreds of specific death threats from US military militants” warning those close to him could be murdered in an attempt to silence his work with the whistleblowing website.

“Recently the situation has changed with these threats now extending out (to) our lawyers and my children,” he said...

WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says his life is threatened | The Daily Telegraph

 

[Unforgiven]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

Do you support going after Assange's lawyers too? How about his children?


WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says his life is threatened | The Daily Telegraph

Yes yes the children

 

[FiveParadox]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

On the question of WikiLeaks (which I have been more than happy, until this point, to feverishly avoid), I am of the view that there are legitimate reasons for the State to keep secrets from its citizens, for reasons of national security. This is the driving rationale behind the Security of Information Act (formerly the Official Secrets Act) in Canada. This Act, though, provides that breaches of such security can be defended where it is proven that it can be established to have been "in the public interest" (as per s. 15(1)). This has no bearing of course, in relation to the work of WikiLeaks, but it is a judicial principle to keep in mind.

As interesting as some of this information has been, the release of special operational information of our own nation, or of other nations, should be enthusiastically condemned, and prosecuted to the maximum extent possible. It does raise the bigger issue, though, of whether much of this information--and let's be clear, a lot of this does not have any relevance to national security--should have been made secret in the first place. It raises questions of accountability and transparency.

 

[petros]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

It's good at least one person has the balls to stand up for what is right in the world.

If you really really want somebody to shoot, start with the assholes at GoldmanSachs but just shoot them in the knees. It'll make it that much more painful when they are sucking cock in prison.

 

[Trotz]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

Would be interesting if Assange was extradited to a country and tried for treason in one in which he is not a citizen.

Regardless, even if Assange was an American citizen, it would be hypocritical if he was tried for treason as most Western Governments have long ago bretrayed their nations and since became organized (and often corrupt) cabals with no interest in mind for its subjects.
Assange had made enemies as he has been exposing documents, like the corruption in Afghanistan, that simply reinforce the treasonous status of our nations. The fact that our governments continue to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, even against majority consent of their people, should nevertheless be indicative of this.

 

[Trotz]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

Agreed, I haven't seen anything from Assange that reveals military secret.

The only people that are upset with him are "Channel Six Babyboomers", who think Assange is a rapist, and die-in-the-whool Christian Ultra-Rightist Patriots.

 

[petros]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

He makes stuck pigs squeal like stuck pigs do. That's what honesty does to those who are dishonest. They squeal like the stuck pigs they are.

SOOOOO EEEEEEEEE!!!

 

[earth_as_one]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

Death to Assange. The quicker the better.......

I hate to get technical and legal on you, but uttering death threats is illegal. So what if you can't get Assange? Do you support going after his lawyers? How about his children?

US MILITARY supporters have made death threats against Julian Assange’s family in Australia, the WikiLeaks founder has said. The 39-year-old Australian, who caused global diplomatic embarrassment after leaking a sensitive haul of US embassy cables last week, told Spanish newspaper El Pais of his fears for the safety of his family and his lawyers after recently receiving threats.

Assange said he “had hundreds of specific death threats from US military militants” warning those close to him could be murdered in an attempt to silence his work with the whistleblowing website.

“Recently the situation has changed with these threats now extending out (to) our lawyers and my children,” he said...


WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange says his life is threatened | The Daily Telegraph

I'm against lynchings or going after a person's family.

 

[Trotz]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

I hate to get technical and legal on you, but uttering death threats is illegal. So what if you can't get Assange? Do you support going after his lawyers? How about his children?


I'm against lynchings or going after a person's family.

Most of the people Assange are going after are technically Neo-Trotsykists in all but name. Last I recall, the Communists are well known for butchering children, the elderly, et al. After all, it is all in the name of "progress".

- Trotz

 

[mentalfloss]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

I believe this should answer everybody's questions..

YouTube - Wikileaks v Bill O'Reilly - the War on Journalism - Rap News 5 (ft. Julian Assange)

 

[earth_as_one]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

Most of the people Assange are going after are technically Neo-Trotsykists in all but name. Last I recall, the Communists are well known for butchering children, the elderly, et al. After all, it is all in the name of "progress".

- Trotz

I see wikileaks as a new way to get information from the source to the masses. Assange is just providing a means. I don't see him as targeting anyone specifically. I'm sure if someone leaked the goods on Russia or China, he'd post that too.

 

[Skatchie]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

Why isn't he just charged with possession of stolen property? He's broken enough laws to make this easy. How about aiding and abetting? Treason?

He hasn't done any of these things, is why. He hasn't broken these laws. Which police force would you like to see make these charges? The Gestapo? They're one of the only ones which would have.

 

[Retired_Can_Soldier]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

I see wikileaks as a new way to get information from the source to the masses. Assange is just providing a means. I don't see him as targeting anyone specifically. I'm sure if someone leaked the goods on Russia or China, he'd post that too.

You are extremely naive.

 

[petros]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

15,000 documents are yet to come...ENJOY!!!

 

[Kreskin]

Re: The rape case against Wikileaks' Julian Assange

He hasn't done any of these things, is why. He hasn't broken these laws. Which police force would you like to see make these charges? The Gestapo? They're one of the only ones which would have.

Give me a break. The guy has broken nearly every law there is. You don't think there are any copyright issues? He didn't aid a criminal? He isn't in possession of stolen property?

The problem is everyone thinks that if it involves the internet it's above the law. It's time someone had the balls to put meatballs like him in the slammer. Shack him up with crackers and spammers.

 

[earth_as_one]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

You are extremely naive.

Make your point. Back it up with facts. Your comment is little more than name calling.

I think the US has a lot of disgruntled people in government and industry.

...WikiLeaks argues that revealing details of companies and governments behaving badly, no matter how the information is obtained, is good for democracy. Founder Julian Assange told Forbes magazine that the number of leaks his site got had been increasing “exponentially” as the site got more publicity. He said it sometimes numbered in the thousands a day.
Assange added that half the unpublished material his organisation had received was about the private sector, including a “mega-leak” involving a bank. He would not name the bank, but he said last year in an interview with Computerworld that he had several gigabytes of data from a Bank of America executive’s hard drive.
Assange said that WikiLeaks had “lots” of information on BP, which was under fire for the massive Gulf of Mexico oil spill. He said his organisation was trying to figure out if its information on BP was unique.
WikiLeaks previously published confidential documents from the Swiss bank Julius Baer and the Kaupthing Bank in Iceland...

Wikileaks targets powerful corporations next - International - IOL | Breaking News | South Africa News | World News | Sport | Business | Entertainment | IOL.co.za

 

[Trotz]

Re: Of wikileaks, julian assange, and assassination threat-as-joke of tom flanagan an

The same people who think Assange is bad probably wants us to return to open voting, where your vote isn't concealed and everyone around you can see who you voted for. If I recall, people then, much like Assange now, were phsyically threatened.


Fact is, anyone who complains about something in government or business is fired or worse yet shoved in a jail cell. Assange is correct that these kind of things are good for a democracy