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Highball

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It coulds get interesting if the information WikiLeaks has might also touch on the US fiscal crisis of 2007-2008. I know there is a lot more to the real story other than what has been released. I'm still hopeful Hank Paulson and his crew might get prosecuted. When he retired from Goldman Sachs to take the Secretary of the Treasury job it was my opinion he was placing himself in a position to make sure the swindle of the US taxpayers went off without a hitch.
 

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When he retired from Goldman Sachs to take the Secretary of the Treasury job it was my opinion he was placing himself in a position to make sure the swindle of the US taxpayers went off without a hitch.
GovtSachs needs to put on a restraining order.
 

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Related News:


Jim Judd, then the director of CSIS, waits to testify before the House of Commons committee on public safety and national security in Ottawa in October 2006.


CSIS ex-chief slams courts, Canadians: WikiLeaks
CBC News - Canada - CSIS ex-chief slams courts, Canadians: WikiLeaks

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A U.S. official reported that former CSIS director Jim Judd said Canadians and their courts had an "Alice in Wonderland" worldview, according to a 2008 U.S. diplomatic cable released by WikiLeaks.

Judd and the U.S. official were discussing threats posed by violent Islamist groups in Canada, as well as recent developments in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

In the cable, which was sent by the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa to the U.S. government, the official states that Judd said Canadian judges have "CSIS 'in knots,' making it ever more difficult to detect and prevent terror attacks in Canada and abroad."

Judd said the situation "left government security agencies on the defensive and losing public support for their effort to protect Canada and its allies," the cable states.

The cable is one of hundreds of thousands of cables released by the website WikiLeaks.

The dispatch goes on to state that Judd "derided" recent Canadian court judgments that threaten foreign governments' intelligence-sharing with Canada.

"These judgments posit that Canadian authorities cannot use information that 'may have been' derived from torture, and that any Canadian public official who conveys such information may be subject to criminal prosecution," the cable says.

Judd credited Prime Minister Stephen Harper's minority Conservative government for " 'taking it on the chin and pressing ahead' with common sense measures despite court challenges and political knocks from the opposition and interest groups," according to the document.

The cable said that Judd stated CSIS had responded to recent, non-specific intelligence on possible terror operations by "vigorously harassing" known Hezbollah members in Canada.

But Judd said he viewed Mohammad Momin Khawaja — convicted in Ottawa in October 2008 of five charges of financing and facilitating terrorism and two offences related to building a remote-control device that could trigger bombs — as not typical of the Pakistani community in Canada.

Judd said that Canada's ethnic Pakistani community "is largely made up of traders, lawyers, doctors, engineers and others who see promise for themselves and their children in North America, so its members are unlikely to engage in domestic terror plots," the cable said.

Judd also said that sections of a court-ordered release of a DVD of Guantanamo detainee and Canadian citizen Omar Khadr "would likely show three … adults interrogating a kid who breaks down in tears."

Judd stated that the video "would no doubt trigger knee-jerk anti-Americanism" and "paroxysms of moral outrage, a Canadian specialty," the cable said.

In discussing the situation in Afghanistan, Judd complained about "[President Hamid] Karzai's weak leadership, widespread corruption, the lack of will to press ahead on counter-narcotics, limited Afghan security force capability" and the Sarpoza prison break, the cable said.

The Taliban attacked the prison in June 2008 and freed an estimated 1,100 inmates. CSIS had seen that the prison attack was coming, but didn't know when, Judd said.

Judd was the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service from 2004 to 2009.


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Good riddance.

One commenter on the CBC article said something I'd like to repeat here, as it's a good point:


MrMagooo wrote:
Considering we have one of the lowest crime rates in the world, considering our security agencies have been able to keep us free of terror attacks without resorting to torture, considering we have outpaced most of the Western world during the recession, etc., etc., etc., I am all in favour of the 'Alice in Wonderland' mentality. IT WORKS. Looking at the facts and statistics instead of the headlines and fear mongers might make people feel good about their country. If the only facts you choose to accept are the anomalies, the failures that get splashed all over the headlines, you are really missing the big picture. This is a great country, not in spite of our laws and attitudes, but BECAUSE of them.

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might be old.. but anyway..

Canada has 'Alice In Wonderland' attitude on terrorism: Wikileaks


WASHINGTON—Canadians have an “Alice In Wonderland” attitude toward global terrorism, the former head of Canada’s spy service told a U.S. counterpart in 2008, according to a secret American memo disclosed Monday.
Canadian Security Intelligence Service Director Jim Judd is also quoted as saying that Canadian courts have the security service “tied in knots,” hampering their ability to detect and prevent terror attacks inside Canada and beyond.
Judd further praised the Harper government for “taking it on the chin and pressing ahead” with possible adjustments to toughen Canada’s prosecutorial stand against terror suspects, the leaked diplomatic cable reports.
“When asked to look to the future, Judd predicted that Canada would soon implement UK-like legal procedures that make intelligence available to ‘vetted defense lawyers who see what the judge see,’ ” according to the U.S. account of the 2008 meeting forwarded to Washington by the U.S. Embassy in Ottawa.
The Judd memo marks Canada’s first newsworthy exposure to the vast and widening WikiLeaks disclosures in which troves of sensitive American secrets are dumping daily in ways that are making friends and allies squirm the world over.
It came only hours after Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon downplayed concern that Canada is poised for a diplomatic bruising in any of the more than 2,600 as-yet-unreleased U.S. State Department documents known to reference Canada.
“In terms of the significance of the documents as it pertains to Canada, I’m saying it’s not that significant,” Cannon said.
The Judd memo, posted online Monday by the New York Times, one of five major news outlets with exclusive access to the stolen files, describes a candid Ottawa meeting between the ex-CSIS boss and a senior State Department counsellor, Elliot Cohen, a close adviser to former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice.
Judd told his American counterpart that CSIS officers were “vigorously harassing” known Hezbollah members in Canada but that the service’s current assessment was that no attacks were “in the offing.”
Other comments by Judd, in reference to a major Taliban prison break in Afghanistan, appeared to contradict later accounts by senior Canadian government and military officials.
Judd is quoted as telling Cohen that Canadian spies had prior warning that a Taliban explosion at Kandahar’s Sarpoza Prison was in the works “but could not get a handle on the timing.”
Shortly after the attack on the prison, former chief of defence staff Gen. Rick Hillier told a committee hearing, “Obviously we would have liked to have known so we could have pre-empted or helped, more accurately, the Afghans pre-empt that kind of thing.”
The post-attack investigation into the intelligence failures was headed by former Conservative foreign affairs minister David Emerson, who also said that Canada was essentially caught unaware when the prison break happened.
Judd’s comments on Canadians and their courts echo private remarks made at CSIS headquarters in Ottawa, where security officials sometimes sarcastically refer to the legal obstacles as “judicial jihad.”
But the newly disclosed Judd document is likely to become fodder in arguments calling for greater oversight of the mercurial spy service.
The document emerged at the end of a day in which red-faced diplomats the world over joined the United States in a message of unity, insisting the ongoing leaks will have no serious impact on international relations.
With weeks of withering diplomatic blows still to come, Washington shifted to offence, blasting WikiLeaks.org as perpetrators of an attack not just on the United States but all nations.
“There is nothing laudable about endangering innocent people and there is nothing brave about sabotaging the peaceful relations between nations,” said Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, facing reporters for the first time since Sunday.
WikiLeaks and five prominent newspapers continued to control the pace of the unprecedented revelations with continuing daily reports based on a trove of more than 250,000 stolen State Department documents in their possession.
Another leaked cable, cited by the French newspaper Le Monde but not yet published, presents Canadian diplomacy in a sharply positive light.
The 2009 memo is said to offer a U.S. diplomat’s description of how a Canadian ambassador to Tunisia boldly condemned the practice of torture, even as his counterparts from France, Spain and Italy remained silent.
“The Ambassador of Canada, supported by the UK, is clear: the Tunisian denials on torture are ‘bull****,’ ” the U.S. cable indicates, according to Le Monde.
The cable quotes the unnamed Canadian diplomat as having “direct evidence of abuse and torture practiced for months,” the newspaper said.


Canada has 'Alice In Wonderland' attitude on terrorism: Wikileaks - thestar.com
 

Praxius

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might be old.. but anyway..

Canada has 'Alice In Wonderland' attitude on terrorism: Wikileaks

Indeed, look about two posts up from yours. ;-)

I also heard Republicans in the US are trying to pressure Obama into designating WikiLeaks a Terrorist Organization.

Yup.... if anybody does anything wrong or does something Republicans don't like, they must be terrorists. The be-all end-all solution.... just shout witch, point at whoever and there you go.

Here's something interesting relating to Canada:

Williams welcomes WikiLeaks
Williams welcomes WikiLeaks - Front - TheChronicleHerald.ca

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OTTAWA — While most world leaders have been publicly condemning WikiLeaks’ unprecedented release of secret documents while privately preparing for trouble, Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams said Monday he is looking forward to finding out what messages American diplomats sent to Washington about him.

"I have no idea what that could be all about, to be quite honest with you, but I’m certainly looking forward to finding out," Williams said with a laugh in Pictou, where he was meeting with other Atlantic premiers.

Williams, whose last day on the job is Friday, appears to be of interest to American diplomats. He is mentioned by name in the tags of six cables sent to Washington, four from Halifax and two from Ottawa. Other premiers are not named in the 2,361 cables sent from Canada to the United States, and Prime Minister Stephen Harper is only mentioned in six tags.

The text of most messages has not yet been released.

The first mention of Williams in a tag is on Oct. 21, 2003, just as he won power, likely a report on the election. That cable is also tagged with acronyms referring to petroleum, energy, internal affairs, and the Liberal and Conservative parties.

The next mention of Williams is a Halifax cable labelled Labour Sector Affairs from March 31, 2004, after Newfoundland and Labrador brought in a tough budget that was to remove 4,000 positions from the public service. A month later, as a public-sector strike stemming from the budget ended, U.S. diplomats in Halifax sent another Labour Sector Affairs cable.

On June 5, 2004, Halifax diplomats sent a cable labelled Labor Sector Affairs, Internal Governmental Affairs, CA, Danny Williams. That was the same day that then-prime minister Paul Martin met with Williams in St. John’s and promised to renegotiate offshore petroleum revenue sharing, ending the equalization clawback on Newfoundland revenues and setting up the Atlantic accord battles.

On Dec. 29, 2004, American diplomats in Ottawa sent a cable about Williams to Washington labelled Internal Government Affairs, not long after Williams ordered Canadian flags lowered in Newfoundland and Labrador to protest Martin’s position in the Atlantic accord dispute.

The final cable labelled with Williams’ name was from March 2, 2005, two weeks after Martin settled the dispute with Newfoundland and Nova Scotia. It was labelled with acronyms for Economic Conditions and Financial and Monetary Affairs.

It is likely that other cables mention Williams. For instance, on Aug. 20, 2008, the Halifax consulate sent a file labelled Petroleum and Natural Gas and Hebron, the name of an ExxonMobil oilfield off Newfoundland. On Aug. 20, Williams announced a $20-billion deal to develop the field after a long impasse with the American oil firm.

WikiLeaks has said it intends to release 251,287 U.S. diplomatic cables in the months ahead. After two days of releases, WikiLeaks has dominated headlines around the world with behind-the-scenes revelations about everything from Saudi Arabia’s attitude to Israel to Prince Andrew’s rude comments at a brunch in Kyrgyzstan.

If WikiLeaks does release all of the Halifax cables, those about Williams are unlikely to be the most newsworthy.

A dozen of the messages — which date from 2003 to January of this year —are tagged with Terrorism, and 21 concern military affairs. Five cables are tagged Narcotics, including two cryptic messages from 2004 labelled only Narcotics Canada Venezuela and Narcotics Canada Barbados.

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So Williams is mentioned just as much as Harper, while no other premiers have been mentioned at all..... he certainly knows how to get noticed, lol.
 

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This arsehole judd sounds like he'd like a job in the cia,sounds like a wannabe yank to me.
 

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Where are the conspiracy cables?: Wikileaks

So far there is nothing in these communications to support an iota of mass conspiracy as often proclaimed by the conspiracy profiteers. Where are the 911 inside-job cables, the Israeli puppeteers, or anything to suggest the US government was not acting in the best interest of American citizens?

Some of the world's most popular anti-government conspiracy theorists aren't even mentioning this news, obviously in fear that what is shown doesn't support any of the hysteria they make money on.
 

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Where are the 911 inside-job cables, the Israeli puppeteers, or anything to suggest the US government was not acting in the best interest of American citizens?
The very absence of such cables will be offered as proof of the depth of the conspiracy. You heard it first here. :)
 

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I was thinking that the moment the information came out the entire US leadership would void their lower bowels immediately. So far what has been released doesn't even begin to cause a good fart. And another thing, if the US is counting on the Attorney General to prosecute this case successfully they had better get another man for the job. This AG couldn't track an elephant that had a bad nosebleed through a ten foot deep snow bank. His operation to "handle" the issues at Gitmo recently blew up in his face.
 

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Re: Where are the conspiracy cables?: Wikileaks

I was thinking that the moment the information came out the entire US leadership would void their lower bowels immediately. So far what has been released doesn't even begin to cause a good fart. And another thing, if the US is counting on the Attorney General to prosecute this case successfully they had better get another man for the job. This AG couldn't track an elephant that had a bad nosebleed through a ten foot deep snow bank. His operation to "handle" the issues at Gitmo recently blew up in his face.
Hopefully they don't use the Gitmo M.O. to randomly pick up computer geeks for waterboarding and forced confessions. That too would blow up in his face.
 

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I heard a news item last night, someone is claiming that Private Manning copied those cables and released them BECAUSE he is gay.
 

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Prince Andrew has said that he refuses to indulge in 'nicey-nicey' diplomacy in the wake of WikiLeaks revelations about him.

The Queen's second son, who is the Duke of York, is the UK's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment.

WikiLeaks has revealed that he has regularly slammed Western allies in front of foreign VIPs as part of a tactic designed to harness trade between Britain and Middle East nations.

Amongst the allegations against him are that he has described France as being riddled with corruption and attacked the Serious Fraud Office for hampering trade deals, describing its probe into alleged kickbacks related to BAE ­Systems’ arms deal with Saudi Arabia as ‘idiotic’.

But the Prince has continued to flout rules barring royals from getting involved in politics and use ‘everything in his arsenal’ to promote British trade on foreign jaunts.

And one of Prince Andrew's aides is supporting him, saying that the job that the Prince is involved in is very competitive.

He said: ‘I have seen him in several meetings having a go at the U.S., the French, the Germans – that’s because his role is to promote Britain.

‘We get into these countries, see the VIPs and get things done. In the current economic climate, we would be stupid not to use everything in our arsenal. It’s a competition and we have to go for it.’

Prince Andrew declares 'I'll speak my mind for Britain' in face of WikiLeaks revelations


By Fay Schlesinger
1st December 2010
Daily Mail

Prince Andrew has vowed to flout rules barring royals from politics and use ‘everything in his arsenal’ to promote British trade on foreign jaunts.

Sources close to the Duke of York said he would refuse to indulge in ‘nicey-nicey’ diplomacy, in an extraordinary show of boldness following WikiLeaks revelations about four-letter tirades against the UK’s anti-fraud squad.

Courtiers also revealed he regularly slams Western allies in front of little-known foreign VIPs, as part of risky tactics designed to harness trade deals with countries in the Middle East.


Defiant: Prince Andrew on a visit to Abu Dhabi last week

Andrew’s brazen refusal to tow the line flies in the face of pleas from ­Business Secretary Vince Cable for him to steer away from political comment.

Andrew heaped embarrassment on Britain with an ‘astonishingly candid... verging on rude’ two-hour discussion with British businessman and a U.S. ambassador in his role as trade representative for the Government.

He attacked the Serious Fraud Office for hampering trade deals, describing its probe into alleged kickbacks related to BAE ­Systems’ arms deal with Saudi Arabia as ‘idiotic’.

Campaigners yesterday called for the prince to resign from his trade role.

But a Buckingham Palace aide who has accompanied Andrew on foreign trips revealed last night that the royal regularly resorts to criticising our allies in a bid to woo little-known VIPs on visits to the Middle East and Central Asia – and has no plans to stop.

The well-placed aide said: ‘I have seen him in several meetings having a go at the U.S., the French, the Germans – that’s because his role is to promote Britain.

‘We get into these countries, see the VIPs and get things done. In the current economic climate, we would be stupid not to use everything in our arsenal. It’s a competition and we have to go for it.’

Speaking of protocol stipulating that members of the Royal Family do not engage in politics, he added: ‘It’s ridiculous to talk of a breach of protocol.

‘The whole point of this job is to go into these meetings and have a decent conversation that’s innately political with a small ‘p’.

‘The duke has a right to expect to be able to say things. We don’t operate on a nicey-nicey basis.’


Trade role: Prince Andrew meets with Azerbaijan President Ilkham Aliyev to promote British companies abroad

Andrew, 50, arrived in America for a holiday on Monday evening – hours after his four-letter tirade in front of a Washington diplomat was exposed.

As he began his stay in New York, he was criticised by Mr Cable for the unhelpful remarks.

The cabinet minister said the UK’s policies on bribery were ‘no matter’ for Andrew.

But Mr Cable’s criticisms were couched in language that was markedly more diplomatic than that used by Andrew.

He told Sky News: ‘It would be helpful not to comment on policy matters of that kind, but his contribution is a very positive one and I want to encourage him to continue to make it.

‘He is not a Government appointee. He voluntarily goes around the world trying to help British companies promote exports and jobs in Britain. I value that. I’ve seen him in action and he does a very good job.

‘I would just make it absolutely clear that we regard bribery overseas as illegal and unacceptable. That is not a matter for Prince Andrew, that’s a matter for the Government.’

Speaking about Andrew’s suggestion that France is riddled with corruption, he added: ‘We have all in the past cracked jokes which were misinterpreted and he is no exception.’

Former Foreign Secretary Sir Malcolm Rifkind said Andrew’s comments were ‘unwise’.

The Campaign Against the Arms Trade reacted to Andrew’s attack on the SFO probe into the Al-Yamama arms deal.

Spokesman Kaye Stearman said: ‘It is wrong that UKTI is promoting weapons sales and wrong that Prince Andrew is seen to be supporting arms sales and accepting corruption.

‘This report shows that the relationship seems to go even deeper, with Prince Andrew speaking out against a Government agency attempting to investigate corruption and arms deals. He should resign from his UKTI role immediately.’

The revelations came in a secret cable from U.S. ambassador Tatiana Gfoeller following a brunch meeting in Kyrgyzstan in October 2008.

Andrew has been special representative for UK Trade and Investment since 2001. The post is unpaid but receives hundreds of thousands of pounds a year in government funding.

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WikiLeaks: U.S. officials talking about Canada

The US officials talking privately, amongst themselves, that is. In 2008, the US officials were worried about an "onslaught" of Canadian TV programs that depicted "nefarious American officials carrying out equally nefarious deeds in Canada".

“The degree of comfort with which Canadian broadcast entities, including those financed by Canadian tax dollars, twist current events to feed longstanding negative images of the U.S. — and the extent to which the Canadian public seems willing to indulge in the feast — is noteworthy as an indication of the kind of insidious negative popular stereotyping we are increasingly up against in Canada."

Another cable has US officials saying that Canadians "always carry a chip on their shoulder" in part because of a feeling that their country “is condemned to always play ‘Robin’ to the U.S. ‘Batman.’"


Another cable quotes Canada's intelligence service director, James Judd, from July 2008 trying to calm the US's officials concerns. In response to a TV broadcast about Omar Khadr, Judd is quoted as telling the US that the program with trigger "knee-jerk anti-Americanism" and "paroxysms of moral outrage, a Canadian specialty."

A cable that President George W. Bush read before his 2004 trip to Ottawa said that Canada is “soul-searching” about its “decline from ‘middle power’ status to that of an ‘active observer’ of global affairs, a trend which some Canadians believe should be reversed.”


Another cable from 2009 says that President Barack Obama making Canada his first foreign trip as President would “do much to diminish — temporarily, at least — Canada’s habitual inferiority complex vis-à-vis the U.S. and its chronic but accurate complaint that the U.S. pays far less attention to Canada than Canada does to us.”


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/02/world/americas/02wikileaks-canada.html?_r=2&ref=charlie_savage