AGW Denial, The Greatest Scam in History?

Tonington

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They have to find me first....my God will protect me.

Don't underestimate the scientists. When they find you, and they will find you, your tea won't taste so good. Bitter. But when you wake-up, you'll be fine, in fact everything will be great. No more worries!
 

petros

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Have you figured out how to end the population problem yet?

40,000 per day die from starvation yet it's law in Canada to burn food........


Who is in denial?

With all of this year's crop failures world wide, is burning food still more important than feeding people? Are you financially capable of handling up the upcoming jump in food and fuel costs? How many aren't and how much harder will it soon get to buy nutritious foods?

What did you do to stop a riduculous law that demands we burn food while 40,000 die daily?

Were you too busy feeding your salmon land grown cereal, protein and oil seed crops to notice?
 
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mentalfloss

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Have you figured out how to end the population problem yet?

 

darkbeaver

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Even worse, he can't finish his introductory paragraph without introducing a strawman:
Basic scientific principles demonstrate that the overall GE phenomenon is not a result of human emissions of “greenhouse gases”.
Nobody has ever said that the overall, or entire greenhouse effect is a result of human emissions of greenhouse gases...

It's especially humorous when we consider the very next sentence:
Politics can be claimed to be the art of appearing credible, at least in a democracy.
Not exactly credible, for a climatologist to be whacking a strawman that no scientist has ever proposed.

And he completely get's it wrong on the IPCC. The IPCC is not science...it's a review of the state of science...it's unfathomable to me that any scientist could make a mistake like this. Unless of course it isn't a mistake, in which case he is simply making statements, appearing to sound credible.

And he's also guilty of the same thing he accuses the IPCC of, in that he doesn't use the scientific method at all to make his claims. He states, without results of such tests which would allow one to claim as he does, that adding greenhouse gases will not result in any temperature change at all.

It's rubbish pseudoscience.
Pseudoscience you say, coming from a man who believes in greenhouse gases and has no understanding of the electrical base of atmospheric science that's weary weary funny, carbon pimp. hahahahahahaha

So the planet is warming then?

Did he prove this in a lab?

I'd like to see the official paper and research on this.

You,d like to see the paper? Why? What possible impact could it have for you? Would you start a fire with it? Would you have someone show you how to make airplanes? The atmosphere is warming for the reason stated in the short paper the good doctor supplied. The planet is not warming.
 

Tonington

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Pseudoscience you say, coming from a man who believes in greenhouse gases and has no understanding of the electrical base of atmospheric science that's weary weary funny, carbon pimp. hahahahahahaha

So, can you explain the absorbance of light through a tube filled with carbon dioxide without mentioning the excitation of the covalent bonds?

It's not a belief, it's an observable fact.
 

Cobalt_Kid

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The proposal has always been straight forward. Getting nearly 7 billion people to follow a regimented restricted lifestyle willingly and democratically.

How do you clean up the planet, reduce population and create a global regimented social order and get them to all go along. How do you avoid the easy fix of mass slaughter?

With Global Warming the problem isn't getting 7 billion people to follow a regimented restricted lifestyle, it's reducing the near monopoly on energy production now held by the fossil fuel sector. Eventually a much more broad-based and decentralized energy strategy means more freedom not less.

How would you like to have a house that produces much or all of the power it needs, sometimes with some left over to sell back to the utilities(I think you get something like 5 times more for selling as you pay for using). How about cars skinned in durable photovoltaic material that fuel your electric vehicle up as it sits parked on a sunny day. Here in Edmonton the city just brought online a new locally developed biofuel plant that converts garbage to ethanol, in two years more than 90% of city garbage will be turned into useable energy not landfill. There's geothermal, wind, tidal, and other sources, but because of fossil fuel industry interference in the legitimate exercise of popular will, nothing is being done to effectively change on the required scale in North America. Just look what the US automobile and petroleum lobby has done in California alone to see the real problem. GM and other companies went a long way to meet California's strict emissions laws, but then balked when they saw how much it was going to change their short-term profitability. They joined with the Bush administration and forced Californians to accept industry mandated requirements, not the other way around. We live in a society where the tail is wagging the dog. Here in Canada the petroleum industry may as well be running the country with Harper in power.

You don't need to create a regimented social order to achieve success on environmental issues, just get the industrial sector companies out of the blocking position they presently hold to defend their own interests. People want change, it's the very few at the top who have the dollars to screw around with the process who are holding things up, just as was done with the tobacco products issue... only the stakes are much higher this time.

Shattering the Greenhouse Effect

Posted on September 29, 2010 by fgservices1947
Hans Jelbring omits to comment on the source of the measured down welling atmospheric IR that climate science assumes comes from radiating gases in the atmosphere – it doesn’t –it’s produced by the atmospheric electric currents that are continually passing through the atmosphere. However mainstream science remains locked into Victorian Era gaslight physics in which electricity is not considered a significant force in the atmosphere, or anywhere else in their disruptive universe.
A recommended essay by Swedish climatologist Dr. Hans Jelbring offers a high school through advanced level debunking of the so-called ‘greenhouse effect.’ Dr. Jelbring finds that basic scientific principles demonstrate that global temperatures are not controlled by human emissions of ‘greenhouse gases’ and the ‘greenhouse effect’ is explainable using only the physics of pressure, gravity, volume, and the adiabatic lapse rate.


Read my earlier post, the science of the greenhouse effect is over two hundred years old and has only gotten stronger with a deeper understanding of physics.

All objects above zero degree Kelvin emit energy(BlackBody radiation) and it is this radiation in the form of longwave electromagnetic waves(infrared) that is being absorbed and re-radiated by ever increasing amounts of human emitted greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Energy that was initially transiting into space is now being intercepted and about half of this is sent back to warm the Earth.
 

Tonington

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All objects above zero degree Kelvin emit energy(BlackBody radiation) and it is this radiation in the form of longwave electromagnetic waves(infrared) that is being absorbed and re-radiated by ever increasing amounts of human emitted greenhouse gases in the atmosphere. Energy that was initially transiting into space is now being intercepted and about half of this is sent back to warm the Earth.

You could explain the greenhouse effect to DB, right down to the quantized manner in which molecules absorb energy discretely rather than across the entire spectrum, and he'll still blather on about electric universe this and that.
 

Tonington

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I don't understand that language. It's used only by free loading succubus half wits.

My french is very poor, but I think he's saying "what the hell are you on about?" though I'm paraphrasing here, and my french sucks :D
 

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“Folks, its about to become very dangerous to be a climate scientist”



“..or for that matter, any kind of scientist.”
That’s what one of the world’s most well known climate scientists recently told friends.
This article in Politico is the case in point. In the event the House of representatives shifts to republicans, Rep. James Sensenbrenner, a foe of progress, reason and science, will become chairman of the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.
He has vowed to obstruct the pursuit of truth about climate change, and intimidate those foolish enough to ask questions and seek answers about the real world.
We’ll also get Joe “I apologize to BP” Barton on the Energy and Commerce Committee,
and, in the case of the Senate switching hands, Senator James “global warming is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people” “There have never been any gay people in my family” Inhofe to the Committee on Environment and Public Works.
Every election is critical, as we saw in 2000, but this election could be a watershed if the tea-party fueled anti-science know-nothings of the Republican party take power. My father was chairman of the local county Republicans back in the Eisenhower/Kennedy era, and I know what that once-great party used to be like. But in today’s environment, people like Dwight Eisenhower, Barry Goldwater, and even Ronald Reagan would not meet ideological purity test for what’s become the party of our own native Tea Party Taliban.