Good manner and morale in the Quran

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Nemrood the foolish :)

I remember I saw a movie: I think it was the Ten Commandments, but I am not certain.
It wouldn't be called that, because the time of the writing of the Ten Commandments was around at 1200 BCE, whereas the time of Nimrod was around 1800 BCE, i.e. about 600 years before the writing of the Ten Commandments.

Where was the movie made?
A tyrant of Babylon;
Nimrod wasn't A tyrant of Babylon... he was THE tyrant of Babylon. He was the one who did everything to give Babylon its bad reputation.
he built the tower of Babil, then he took an arrow and threw it towards the heaven; and was immediately punished; so we shall soon very soon see how God Almighty take revenge on his trivial enemies. Be alert and expectant. :thumbup:
Hmm... I can see debates swirling around that scenario.

Nimrod organized people into working on a ziggurat, which at the top it was supposed to "reach into heaven". (Nimrod probably got the idea from the Egyptians, who'd built their first step pyramid 900 years earlier.)

We know today that Mesopotamians would put temples at the top of their ziggurats, so when he said "the top will reach into heaven", maybe he meant that the top would poke through some sort of invisible ceiling, above which the gods live, and that a temple was required to shield the priests from mysterious heavenly forces when they climbed to the top of the ziggurat poking through the ceiling of the sky into heaven.

Or maybe the concept of the top of the ziggurat "reaching into heaven" might just be how we read it today after the story going through many languages of translation... that the original sense of the phrase was that they were going to put a temple at the top reaching *towards* heaven, to serve as sort of a half-way meeting house between humans and the gods.

(So much meaning can get obfuscated and/or lost when ideas go through too many rounds of translation.

(There's a famous story about a time when Americans were trying to computerize the translation of Russian to English as part of the Cold War effort. To test the system they started with the English phrase "The spirits is strong, but the flesh is weak.

(They ran it through the computer to translate it to Russian, and then had the computer translate it back. The return-phrase was "The meat is savory, but the vodka is dilute". It means people must be of different languages must be careful when debating with each other.

(And since we're on the topic, wanna hear what I do when faced with a translation issue?

(Normally one is supposed to hire an expert, but experts are expensive because fluently bilingual people are rare. Here's my poor-man's method for generating reasonable translations, invented by me - thank you thank you I accept your applause - and it is this...

(I organize *two* people, preferably women, one who's mother tongue was language A but who learned to speak language B, and the other who's mother tongue was language B but who learned to speak language A, and I put them *together* to translate.

(If translating from language A to B, then the person who's mother tongue was A reads it, explains it in pidgin-language to the person who understands language A but who's mother tongue is language B, and when that one gets it she writes it down in language B.

(I say "women" because in neurology I learned that female brains are better at language than males. Don't let your manliness feel threatened by that fact, it's just science, and it's a good thing, because it's our female mothers who are the ones to teach us to speak.

(And by the way, sometimes I'll organize it into teams of a woman and an effeminate gay-guy - the kind who are sort of like a woman but in a male body - because sometimes women get too catty with each other when forced to work as a team, and because women and gay-guys get along easily with each other, so they can make good teams. The effeminate type of gay-guys tend to have the same powers of language that women have, so they're just as good at translating... I'm just saying...)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...

You say that in the movie, Nimrod throws an arrow into heaven, and gets smitten.

That implies that Nimrod really *was* able to build a tower reaching to heaven, and that there really was a god up there to be annoyed by an arrow flying into his realm.

That notion would not rest well with western Christian theologians.

In their mind, the problem with the Tower of Babel is that the process of building a ziggurat high enough to reach heaven is like telling people that the sky is where God is, which becomes like saying the sky *is* God.

Consequently, God became angry because He doesn't want people worshiping false idols, and an inanimate object such as the sky can be just as much a false-idol as can be a construction of marble and clay, and that's why God broke-up the Tower-of-Babel construction teams... they were worshiping the sky, and not Him.

Which means, in the mind of some western theologians, a movie showing Nimrod throwing an arrow into heaven and getting smitten back is playing *into* the hands of the original Nimrod telling people that the sky is where the power of God resides, such that some western theologians would call that movie heretical, because God is all around.

What does the Quran say about the Tower of Babel?

Another week has gone by and your god still hasn't dropped by for tea. Could be you are praying to a false idol.
:p Well, you know... maybe you need to bring the "tea" out first.
 
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It wouldn't be called that, because the time of the writing of the Ten Commandments was around at 1200 BCE, whereas the time of Nimrod was around 1800 BCE, i.e. about 600 years before the writing of the Ten Commandments.

I didn't say the time of writing the Ten Commandments; but I said the movie was called so and it included many of the events of the Old Testament.

Nimrod wasn't A tyrant of Babylon... he was THE tyrant of Babylon. He was the one who did everything to give Babylon its bad reputation.
Hmm... I can see debates swirling around that scenario.

Thank you :smile:

Nimrod organized people into working on a ziggurat, which at the top it was supposed to "reach into heaven". (Nimrod probably got the idea from the Egyptians, who'd built their first step pyramid 900 years earlier.)

We know today that Mesopotamians would put temples at the top of their ziggurats, so when he said "the top will reach into heaven", maybe he meant that the top would poke through some sort of invisible ceiling, above which the gods live, and that a temple was required to shield the priests from mysterious heavenly forces when they climbed to the top of the ziggurat poking through the ceiling of the sky into heaven.

Or maybe the concept of the top of the ziggurat "reaching into heaven" might just be how we read it today after the story going through many languages of translation... that the original sense of the phrase was that they were going to put a temple at the top reaching *towards* heaven, to serve as sort of a half-way meeting house between humans and the gods.

(So much meaning can get obfuscated and/or lost when ideas go through too many rounds of translation.

(There's a famous story about a time when Americans were trying to computerize the translation of Russian to English as part of the Cold War effort. To test the system they started with the English phrase "The spirits is strong, but the flesh is weak.

(They ran it through the computer to translate it to Russian, and then had the computer translate it back. The return-phrase was "The meat is savory, but the vodka is dilute". It means people must be of different languages must be careful when debating with each other.

(And since we're on the topic, wanna hear what I do when faced with a translation issue?

(Normally one is supposed to hire an expert, but experts are expensive because fluently bilingual people are rare. Here's my poor-man's method for generating reasonable translations, invented by me - thank you thank you I accept your applause - and it is this...

(I organize *two* people, preferably women, one who's mother tongue was language A but who learned to speak language B, and the other who's mother tongue was language B but who learned to speak language A, and I put them *together* to translate.

(If translating from language A to B, then the person who's mother tongue was A reads it, explains it in pidgin-language to the person who understands language A but who's mother tongue is language B, and when that one gets it she writes it down in language B.

(I say "women" because in neurology I learned that female brains are better at language than males. Don't let your manliness feel threatened by that fact, it's just science, and it's a good thing, because it's our female mothers who are the ones to teach us to speak.

(And by the way, sometimes I'll organize it into teams of a woman and an effeminate gay-guy - the kind who are sort of like a woman but in a male body - because sometimes women get too catty with each other when forced to work as a team, and because women and gay-guys get along easily with each other, so they can make good teams. The effeminate type of gay-guys tend to have the same powers of language that women have, so they're just as good at translating... I'm just saying...)

Anyway, back to the topic at hand...

You say that in the movie, Nimrod throws an arrow into heaven, and gets smitten.

Yes, what I said that in the movie, Nimrod threw an arrow into heaven, and got smitten. :smile:

That implies that Nimrod really *was* able to build a tower reaching to heaven, and that there really was a god up there to be annoyed by an arrow flying into his realm.

That notion would not rest well with western Christian theologians.

In their mind, the problem with the Tower of Babel is that the process of building a ziggurat high enough to reach heaven is like telling people that the sky is where God is, which becomes like saying the sky *is* God.

Consequently, God became angry because He doesn't want people worshiping false idols, and an inanimate object such as the sky can be just as much a false-idol as can be a construction of marble and clay, and that's why God broke-up the Tower-of-Babel construction teams... they were worshiping the sky, and not Him.

Which means, in the mind of some western theologians, a movie showing Nimrod throwing an arrow into heaven and getting smitten back is playing *into* the hands of the original Nimrod telling people that the sky is where the power of God resides, such that some western theologians would call that movie heretical, because God is all around.

Thank you; I only said it was in the movie; that foolish did such a foolish act as throwing the arrow towards the heaven :lol:

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What does the Quran say about the Tower of Babel?

Nemrod in the Quran

Nothing about the Tower of Babel is mentioned in the Glorious Quran, as I know; but there was the Nemrod: (We pronounce it Nimrood); this Nemrod wrangled with Abraham concerning his Lord as in the Quran 2: 258
أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِي حَآجَّ إِبْرَاهِيمَ فِي رِبِّهِ أَنْ آتَاهُ اللّهُ الْمُلْكَ إِذْ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ رَبِّيَ الَّذِي يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ قَالَ أَنَا أُحْيِي وَأُمِيتُ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ يَأْتِي بِالشَّمْسِ مِنَ الْمَشْرِقِ فَأْتِ بِهَا مِنَ الْمَغْرِبِ فَبُهِتَ الَّذِي كَفَرَ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

The explanation:
(Have you considered [Nimrod] who disputed with Abraham about his Lord, that God had given him the kingdom [so he became proud and arrogant to the extent that he claimed himself a god];


when [he said to Abraham: 'Who is your Lord?'

and] Abraham said: 'My Lord is He Who gives life and causes death.'

[Nimrod] said: 'I give life [by releasing a man who has been sentenced to death] and cause death [by killing any alive man.]


Abraham said: 'But God indeed causes the sun to rise in the East, so cause it [yourself] to rise from the West [if you are true in your claim.]'


Thus was [Nimrod] the disbeliever confounded [and did not know how to answer];


God guides not the people of the wrong-doers.)



This is depending on the interpretation of the late interpreter of the Quran and Bible in summary.


المتشابه من القرآن 1

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Another week has gone by and your god still hasn't dropped by for tea. Could be you are praying to a false idol.


The past nations who were destroyed by God Almighty; all them hastened on the Doom and demanded the puhishment come on them soon.

( Say [to them, Mohammed]:
"I am [relying] on clear evidence [based on the inspiration and the Quran given to me] from my Lord, while you deny the [Quran];


[the punishment] that you like to hasten is not up to me. The decision [of that] is up to God alone.


He relates the truth [and will decide judicially between us]; for He is the Best of Deciders [on the Day of Judgment.]


Say [to them, Mohammed]:
"If [the punishment] that you like to hasten was up to me, the matter between me and you would then have been concluded, [because I then shall bring the punishment down upon you and get rid of you.]

and God is Best Aware of wrong-doers.)

The above between brackets is the meaning of the aya 6: 57-58
قُلْ إِنِّي عَلَى بَيِّنَةٍ مِّن رَّبِّي وَكَذَّبْتُم بِهِ مَا عِندِي مَا تَسْتَعْجِلُونَ بِهِ إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلاَّ لِلّهِ يَقُصُّ الْحَقَّ وَهُوَ خَيْرُ الْفَاصِلِينَ
قُل لَّوْ أَنَّ عِندِي مَا تَسْتَعْجِلُونَ بِهِ لَقُضِيَ الأَمْرُ بَيْنِي وَبَيْنَكُمْ وَاللّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِالظَّالِمِينَ

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Nemrod in the Quran

Nothing about the Tower of Babel is mentioned in the Glorious Quran, as I know; but there was the Nemrod: (We pronounce it Nimrood); this Nemrod wrangled with Abraham concerning his Lord as in the Quran 2: 258
أَلَمْ تَرَ إِلَى الَّذِي حَآجَّ إِبْرَاهِيمَ فِي رِبِّهِ أَنْ آتَاهُ اللّهُ الْمُلْكَ إِذْ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ رَبِّيَ الَّذِي يُحْيِي وَيُمِيتُ قَالَ أَنَا أُحْيِي وَأُمِيتُ قَالَ إِبْرَاهِيمُ فَإِنَّ اللّهَ يَأْتِي بِالشَّمْسِ مِنَ الْمَشْرِقِ فَأْتِ بِهَا مِنَ الْمَغْرِبِ فَبُهِتَ الَّذِي كَفَرَ وَاللّهُ لاَ يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ

The explanation:
(Have you considered [Nimrod] who disputed with Abraham about his Lord, that God had given him the kingdom [so he became proud and arrogant to the extent that he claimed himself a god];


when [he said to Abraham: 'Who is your Lord?'

and] Abraham said: 'My Lord is He Who gives life and causes death.'

[Nimrod] said: 'I give life [by releasing a man who has been sentenced to death] and cause death [by killing any alive man.]


Abraham said: 'But God indeed causes the sun to rise in the East, so cause it [yourself] to rise from the West [if you are true in your claim.]'


Thus was [Nimrod] the disbeliever confounded [and did not know how to answer];
In a nutshell, Abraham told Nimrod that Nimrod got his power from a higher power.
The past nations who were destroyed by God Almighty; all them hastened on the Doom and demanded the punishment come on them soon.
Yeah... which means many in the west will say that the Mongolian decimation of Iran and destruction of Iraq was a sign that the Caliphs of those realms were not behaving according to their own scripture.

What say you?


Anyway... today's my day to be nice, so... let's have some humor:

"The legendary Maulana Rehmatullah Kairanwi of India was once involved in a debate with a Christian missionary.

"The missionary in his opening statement asked the Maulana, "Maulana Sahib, why didn't God save his Prophet's grandsons when they were martyred at Karbala and didn't Prophet Muhammad pray for their safety?"

"The Maulana answered "God cried and said, "I couldn't even save my own son, how can I save your grandsons?"""


And another...

George W. Bush and Tony Blair are at a White House dinner. One of the important guests walks over to them and asks what they are talking about.
"We are making up the plans for WW III", says Bush.
"Wow", says the guest. "And what are the plans?"
"We are gonna kill 140 million Muslims and one dentist", answers Bush.
"The guest looks to be a bit confused. One...dentist?" He says. "Why will you kill one dentist?"
"Blair pats Bush on the shoulder and says, "What did I tell you? Nobody is gonna ask about the Muslims."

And some one-liners...

- Did you hear about the Muslim strip club? It features full facial nudity!

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Why are Palestinian boys luckier than American boys?
Because every Palestinian boy will get to join a rock group!

-
Two Israelis are in an elevator when the doors open and a Palestinian gets on. After the doors close, the Palestinian lets out a huge, noisy fart. The doors open again and the Palestinian gets off. One Jew looks at the other, wipes his brow and says, "Thank God! Must have been a dud!"

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A Palestinian suspect was being grilled by Israeli police. "Honest, I'm not a suicide bomber," he said. "I didn't say I wanted to blow myself up so I could sleep with 72 virgins. All I said was I'm dying to get laid!"

And some more:

"A man is taking a walk in Central park in New York. Suddenly he sees a little girl being attacked by a pit bull dog . He runs over and starts fighting with the dog. He succeeds in killing the dog and saving the girl's life. A policeman who was watching the scene walks over and says: "You are a hero, tomorrow you can read it in all the newspapers: "Brave New Yorker saves the life of little girl" The man says: - "But I am not a New Yorker!" "Oh ,then it will say in newspapers in the morning: 'Brave American saves life of little girl'" – the policeman answers. "But I am not an American!" – says the man. "Oh, what are you then? " The man says: - "I am a Saudi !" The next day the newspapers says: "Islamic extremist kills innocent American dog."

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"The Imam of a mosque, who was also a father of two young children, was about to enter the mosque to give the Khutbah (Friday sermon). Before he entered he reminded them to be quiet - especially when he is giving his khutbah. He then asked his children, "And why is it necessary to be quiet during Jummah?" Little Ahmed jumped up and yelled, "Because people are all sleeping!"

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An Imam was feeling bored one Friday and decided to take the day off away from the Masjid. He told the assistant Imam he wasn't feeling well and drove off. He stopped at a golf course about forty miles away (so that no one would know him.)

Up in Heaven, the angels were talking. One said to another, "He can just get away with that! This is wrong - Jummah is mandatory for him and he is an example for so many believers!" The other angel agreed but decided to wait to see how Allah would take care of him.

The Imam teed off on the first hole and suddenly, the wind picked up, blowing the ball right in the hole for a 420 yard hole-in-one.

The angels looked at each other in great surprise. One said, "Why did He do that??" The other realized the wisdom behind it and smiled...

"Who's he going to tell?"

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An elderly lady was well-known for her Iman and for her confidence in talking about it. She would stand in front of her house and say Alhamdulilah "Allah be praised" to all those who passed by. Next door to her lived an atheist who would get so angry at her proclamations he would shout, "There ain't no Lord!!" Hard times came upon the elderly lady, and she prayed for Allah to send her some assistance. She would pray out loud in her night prayer" Oh Allah! I need food!! I am having a hard time, please Lord, PLEASE LORD, SEND ME SOME GROCERIES!!" The atheist happened to hear her as she was praying, and decided to play a prank on her. The next morning the lady went out on her porch and noted a large bag of groceries and shouted, "Alhamdulilah, Allah be praised!." The neighbor jumped from behind a bush and said, "Aha! I told you there was no Lord. I bought those groceries, God didn't." The lady started jumping up and down and clapping her hands and said, "ALHAMDULILAH WA SHUKRILLAH”. He not only sent me groceries, but he made the devil pay for them!"
 
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See this joke:

Jeha once prayed his Lord: Lord, offer to me 100 dinars: I don't accept even 99.

His neighbor was a Jew, he eavesdropped that and he threw a bag with 99 dinars inside it.

Jeha saw the bag with 99 dinars, but he said: "Thank you God" and he took the 99 dinars.

The Jew nocked the door and said: "Jeha, I threw the 99 dinars when I heard you saying : I don't accept 99 dinars, so give that back to me."
Jeha said: "Go away, I prayed God and He gave to me that."
The Jew went to the Judge and complained; the Judge told the Jew to bring Jeha to the trial.
Jeha refused and told the Jew to bring for him a garment, a muel and a slipper, or else he would not go.

The Jew brought him the garment, the slipper and the muel; so he went.
The judge asked Jeha who said: I prayed God and He gave to me; so ask this Jew is my muel or is the muel his?
The Jew said: By God, it is mine."
Then Jeha said: " It may be he will claim the garment is his?"
The Jew said: By God, it is mine.
Jeha said: It may be he will say the slipper even is his!\
The Jew said: By God, it is mine.
The Judge judged for Jeha against the Jew.

But then Jeha returned the money in addition to the muel, the garment and the slipper to the his neighbor the Jew and said: Take these they are yours, but never spy on us again.
 

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islam Continues to be the greatest threat to mankind since the beginning of time
 

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The Muslim faith at best is an enigma. While I am not a supporter
of this faith, I watch with interest as two visions of Islam fight each
other constantly. There is the Sharia Muslim and the Sunni Muslim.
Most people do not realize they are very different versions of the
faith. The Arabs are mostly Sunnis while the Persians, or Iranians
are Sharia.
Radicals have basically consumed any credibility the religion had.
There is no central figure to guide their faith through troubled water
its left up to the local clerics at a religious level. There is no Pope
or Arch Bishop, to direct the faith, therefore in my view you end up
with a dogs breakfast of interpretations. I wouldn't take them at
their word for much as they don't even trust each other.
It is a religion of violence and peace, for the believers only and the
west should not be fooled or lulled into believing that Islam is in
any way prepared to get along with everyone else, it will never happen.
 

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See this joke:

Jeha once prayed his Lord: Lord, offer to me 100 dinars: I don't accept even 99.

His neighbor was a Jew, he eavesdropped that and he threw a bag with 99 dinars inside it.

Jeha saw the bag with 99 dinars, but he said: "Thank you God" and he took the 99 dinars.

The Jew nocked the door and said: "Jeha, I threw the 99 dinars when I heard you saying : I don't accept 99 dinars, so give that back to me."
Jeha said: "Go away, I prayed God and He gave to me that."
The Jew went to the Judge and complained; the Judge told the Jew to bring Jeha to the trial.
Jeha refused and told the Jew to bring for him a garment, a muel and a slipper, or else he would not go.

The Jew brought him the garment, the slipper and the muel; so he went.
The judge asked Jeha who said: I prayed God and He gave to me; so ask this Jew is my muel or is the muel his?
The Jew said: By God, it is mine."
Then Jeha said: " It may be he will claim the garment is his?"
The Jew said: By God, it is mine.
Jeha said: It may be he will say the slipper even is his!\
The Jew said: By God, it is mine.
The Judge judged for Jeha against the Jew.

But then Jeha returned the money in addition to the muel, the garment and the slipper to the his neighbor the Jew and said: Take these they are yours, but never spy on us again.

I don't get it... why is this funny?

It doesn't make sense. If the guy already told the Lord he would accept nothing less than 100 dinars, why would he say "Thank you Lord" when 99 dinars were dropped before him.

Isn't that an obvious indication that it's from Satan?
 

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Ignorance is bliss.
There are more than just two sorts of Islam. In the context of religious Islam, there is Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi, and Ahmaddiya. In the political context, there are Sunni, Shi'a, and secular (a somewhat democratic dictatorship).
Islam is NOT the problem. The problem is the interpretations of it by the various leaders of Islam (and their constituents). The same problem Christianity has and had. And Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity.
 

eanassir

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islam Continues to be the greatest threat to mankind since the beginning of time

True and 100% true.
Islam is the greatest threat to the idolatry, the enthusiasm, the distorted religions and atheism.

The Muslim faith at best is an enigma. While I am not a supporter
of this faith, I watch with interest as two visions of Islam fight each
other constantly. There is the Sharia Muslim and the Sunni Muslim.
Most people do not realize they are very different versions of the
faith. The Arabs are mostly Sunnis while the Persians, or Iranians
are Sharia.
Radicals have basically consumed any credibility the religion had.
There is no central figure to guide their faith through troubled water
its left up to the local clerics at a religious level. There is no Pope
or Arch Bishop, to direct the faith, therefore in my view you end up
with a dogs breakfast of interpretations. I wouldn't take them at
their word for much as they don't even trust each other.
It is a religion of violence and peace, for the believers only and the
west should not be fooled or lulled into believing that Islam is in
any way prepared to get along with everyone else, it will never happen.

Hi damngrumpy :D
You need to review your "watching with interest": they are Sunni and Shiaa, not Shariaah.

The religion is between man and God: no need for intermediary persons or intercessors. Even though the Mahdi is awaited by Muslims, as do Christians await the Christ.

Thank you damngrumpy for admitting some peace to the Islam in addition to the violence. Anyhow peace is needed in addition to the violence may be essential sometimes for defence and dignity.
 

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Yep, and Islam is behaving approximately as Christianity was at the same age, but with better weapons. Islam needs a Reformation and an Enlightenment.

Christian martyrs would be eaten by lions....




The ones islam calls their "martyrs"????

 

eanassir

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Ignorance is bliss.
There are more than just two sorts of Islam. In the context of religious Islam, there is Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi, and Ahmaddiya. In the political context, there are Sunni, Shi'a, and secular (a somewhat democratic dictatorship).
Islam is NOT the problem. The problem is the interpretations of it by the various leaders of Islam (and their constituents). The same problem Christianity has and had. And Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity.

The "ignorance" is the problem: the ignorance about God and the heedlessness of the afterlife. Such ignonrance is like the darkness in comparison to the enlightenment of the belief in God alone and the afterlife.

Anyhow we need to think about what is the "problem" in your viewpoint: the danger to your atheism comes not from the traditional Islam, but comes from the interpretation. So it is the interpretation: and here you are true: the interpretation of the Quran is the fatal of your atheism and blasphemy and the obstacle before your spreading of the atheism and your opposing God and His religion of the devotion to God alone and the Quran is the word of God.

Islam is younger than Christianity: this is according to your imagination that all these religions are inventions and you think they will vanish and disappear leaving the field for your atheism! L Gilbert you will perish and nothing of this will be achieved and you will see the atheism and anit-Islam programs disappear as did the communism succumb before.
http://www.quran-ayat.com/

I don't get it... why is this funny?

Ha ha ha :D ; you don't get it?

It doesn't make sense. If the guy already told the Lord he would accept nothing less than 100 dinars, why would he say "Thank you Lord" when 99 dinars were dropped before him.

Ha ha ha :D It means: Jeha accepted the gift of God although it is 99 dinars; because he is thankful to God for the little as well as for the big bounties and favors and God's offering to him. i.e Jeha was contented: this story may not be real; it is a public folklore.

Isn't that an obvious indication that it's from Satan?
How can that be according to your thinking? :D
 
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selin

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Ignorance is bliss.
There are more than just two sorts of Islam. In the context of religious Islam, there is Sunni, Shi'a, Sufi, and Ahmaddiya. In the political context, there are Sunni, Shi'a, and secular (a somewhat democratic dictatorship).
Islam is NOT the problem. The problem is the interpretations of it by the various leaders of Islam (and their constituents). The same problem Christianity has and had. And Islam is 600 years younger than Christianity.


You are absolutely right,
i sometimes can't help thinking about why God didn't send a video instead of a book :D
 

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You are absolutely right,
i sometimes can't help thinking about why God didn't send a video instead of a book :D
I think, if there truly is a loving god, then he would allow us to find the truth on our own and not stifle our lives with a bunch of rules laid down in arcane and ancient books. Life provides all the knowledge and experiences necessary to figure out what is right and true. we do not need others to tell us that. Sometimes guidance is useful but dictatorial dogma is not the sign of a loving creator, quite the opposite.
 

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I think, if there truly is a loving god, then he would allow us to find the truth on our own and not stifle our lives with a bunch of rules laid down in arcane and ancient books. Life provides all the knowledge and experiences necessary to figure out what is right and true. we do not need others to tell us that. Sometimes guidance is useful but dictatorial dogma is not the sign of a loving creator, quite the opposite.


maybe, there is a loving god who allows us to find the truth on our own but he created both us and our imagination. Everyone tries to find his God-and there goes about imagination . "who is God , What does he want ?etc". so books, rules...