Good manner and morale in the Quran

[Lithp]

Ten penny. Yes Jesus is God. He is also the son of God. That is the basic principal of Christianity. If you can't understand that then sorry.

Eanassir. Jesus ate, pooped, peed, slept, cried, bled, was tested by Satan, drank real alcoholic wine, probably had pimples as a teenager, farted, laughed, cried, died and did every other thing men do. Except sin.

I can't believe how much people underestimate the power of God! People try to explain God and Jesus with logic. Mankind's logic. Which is extremely limited.

And as for "contradictions" in the text of what Jesus said as reported by the apostles... What contradictions? Perhaps he said them all. For example if one apostle wrote that Christ said "my shirt is green" and another writes christ said "my shirt is blue" and another writes "I have no shirt" they can all be true and not contradict each other.
They all could happen. It's funny how scientists believe in the "space time continuum" and "alternate realities" but we cannot fathom that God can be two places at once or say several different things to several different people in the same single sentence. You say this is not possible according to your logic. I say your logic is flawed and you underestimate the power of God. God could stand in a group of people, utter one word and make everyone hear something different. It's easy for him- but illogical for you. Which is why I'm glad he is in charge.
The bible said that the devil could sing with the voice of a chorus. How is that possible? How could one person (angel) produce multiple voices from one throat? Don't know. Don't care. Don't bother to use my logic to explain something heavenly.
So if Satan can sing with a chorus of voices from his mouth. Jesus can say many different phrases at the same time to many people- and in many different languages.

Stop using logic to explain GOD. God is not logical. He is Divine. Nothing is impossible to him.

So the next time you read an "inconsistency" in an account of what Jesus said or did. Consider that maybe both accounts actually happened. Cause its possible that they did. Illogical yes. Impossible no.

Stop underestimating the power of the Almighty. Have faith brother. Abandon your logic. It is meant for men. Not GOD.

Peace.

 

[gerryh]

Jesus IS God?????

 

[Cliffy]

It is absurd therefore it must be true. Throw logic out the window, ignore your god given intelligence and accept the illogical. Is that what faith is all about Lithp? What you are saying is god is absurd, that it has created an absurd world, wrote a bunch of contradictory stuff in a book and that we are supposed to accept that as true simply because the author says it is true. Am I missing something? .... Oh ya! I don't believe in the absurd.

 

[damngrumpy]

Ya right the book is full of all kinds of peace and love the
only problem is most of these blood thirsty folks don't
real the book with a view to peace and love. They are
too busy making bombs or stoning women to death
I for one have had enough of them. both in other parts
of the world and fitting into our society. The law has to
step in and say to all religions obey the law, before the
God of your choice you are living in the real world now.

 

[Omicron]

Why didn't the editors of the Quran organize it chronologically?

 

[eanassir]

Why didn't the editors of the Quran organize it chronologically?

If this had happened, it would have been of great value.

Anyhow, the Quran was written in sooras or chapters during the life of the Prophet, then it was collected after his death by his companions.

When some portions of revelation came down by the angel Gabriel, Prophet Mohammed - salam be to him - ordered his companions to write that in its proper site in different soorahs until the soorahs or chapters were completed.

This is in the Quran 75: 17

إِنَّ عَلَيْنَا جَمْعَهُ وَقُرْآنَهُ​

The explanation:
(It is up to Us the collecting thereof and the reciting thereof.)​

Therefore, here God promised to let some companions of the Prophet collect the soorahs or chapters of the Quran and to make people recite it till Doomsday.

And the miracle here is that even the enemy of Muslims make the recitation of the Quran in their Arabic broadcasting: like the Arabic BBC and even Israel Arabic Broadcasting. :smile:

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Ya right the book is full of all kinds of peace and love the
only problem is most of these blood thirsty folks don't
real the book with a view to peace and love. They are
too busy making bombs or stoning women to death
I for one have had enough of them. both in other parts
of the world and fitting into our society. The law has to
step in and say to all religions obey the law, before the
God of your choice you are living in the real world now.

Grumpy, you are damned for this mixing.

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Ten penny. Yes Jesus is God. He is also the son of God. That is the basic principal of Christianity. If you can't understand that then sorry.

Eanassir. Jesus ate, pooped, peed, slept, cried, bled, was tested by Satan, drank real alcoholic wine, probably had pimples as a teenager, farted, laughed, cried, died and did every other thing men do. Except sin.

I can't believe how much people underestimate the power of God! People try to explain God and Jesus with logic. Mankind's logic. Which is extremely limited.

And as for "contradictions" in the text of what Jesus said as reported by the apostles... What contradictions? Perhaps he said them all. For example if one apostle wrote that Christ said "my shirt is green" and another writes christ said "my shirt is blue" and another writes "I have no shirt" they can all be true and not contradict each other.
They all could happen. It's funny how scientists believe in the "space time continuum" and "alternate realities" but we cannot fathom that God can be two places at once or say several different things to several different people in the same single sentence. You say this is not possible according to your logic. I say your logic is flawed and you underestimate the power of God. God could stand in a group of people, utter one word and make everyone hear something different. It's easy for him- but illogical for you. Which is why I'm glad he is in charge.
The bible said that the devil could sing with the voice of a chorus. How is that possible? How could one person (angel) produce multiple voices from one throat? Don't know. Don't care. Don't bother to use my logic to explain something heavenly.
So if Satan can sing with a chorus of voices from his mouth. Jesus can say many different phrases at the same time to many people- and in many different languages.

Stop using logic to explain GOD. God is not logical. He is Divine. Nothing is impossible to him.

So the next time you read an "inconsistency" in an account of what Jesus said or did. Consider that maybe both accounts actually happened. Cause its possible that they did. Illogical yes. Impossible no.

Stop underestimating the power of the Almighty. Have faith brother. Abandon your logic. It is meant for men. Not GOD.

Peace.

This is your obvious error and misguidance.

Who said: Jesus said this; almost it is added to some distorted books, and it is not proper for Jesus Christ to say that he is God or any son of God.

And I told you that it is only in the Gospel of John, and even in the Gospel of John it has been misinterpreted, but you don't want to consider.

Who said that God is like what you say; it is only inventions by the succeeding generations and you found it as such and take it without thinking.

Yes, the Quran does not agree about that Jesus is anything other than a human being: a man and a son of man like all of us are sons of men.

(Say [O Mohammed]: "My Lord has only forbidden
>> the fornication, such as be public and such be secret,
>> and the [consumption of] wine,
>> and to trespass [against people] undeservedly,
>> and [He has forbidden] that you [people] should associate, with God, that for which He did not reveal any warrant [in the heavenly books],
>> and [He has forbidden] that you say against God what you do not know [like the 'Saeba' and the 'Wassiela' of the cattle dedicated to idols.])​

The above between brackets is the explanation of the Quran 7: 33​

قُلْ إِنَّمَا حَرَّمَ رَبِّيَ الْفَوَاحِشَ مَا ظَهَرَ مِنْهَا وَمَا بَطَنَ وَالإِثْمَ وَالْبَغْيَ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ وَأَن تُشْرِكُواْ بِاللّهِ مَا لَمْ يُنَزِّلْ بِهِ سُلْطَانًا وَأَن تَقُولُواْ عَلَى اللّهِ مَا لاَ تَعْلَمُونَ​

www.quran-ayat.com

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It is absurd therefore it must be true. Throw logic out the window, ignore your god given intelligence and accept the illogical. Is that what faith is all about Lithp? What you are saying is god is absurd, that it has created an absurd world, wrote a bunch of contradictory stuff in a book and that we are supposed to accept that as true simply because the author says it is true. Am I missing something? .... Oh ya! I don't believe in the absurd.

Nothing absurd other than your absurd words against God the All-Knowing the Most Wise.

While to Lithp, he accepts things as he is told and misinterpret some texts (while other Gospels did not say that Jesus is God Himself - Glory be to God Most Gracious) and his opinion is without thinking and using his mind, and he ascribes this to God that God is beyond our imagination: yes, certainly; but who said God - be glorified - is as you claim.

I here tell you clearly: Glory be to God Who is not any man (so he forgets) nor even any son of man (so He regrets.)-- this is an aya or verse of the Old Testament.

Therefore, according to this aya Jesus, the son of man, cannot be God.

 

[eanassir]

The good moral in the Quran​

God – be glorified – ordered believers to behave in good manner and noble moral in order to prosper and succeed in the afterlife.​

This is in the Quran 23: 1-11​

قَدْ أَفْلَحَ الْمُؤْمِنُونَ . الَّذِينَ هُمْ فِي صَلَاتِهِمْ خَاشِعُونَ . وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَنِ اللَّغْوِ مُعْرِضُونَ . وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِلزَّكَاةِ فَاعِلُونَ . وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِفُرُوجِهِمْ حَافِظُونَ . إِلَّا عَلَى أَزْوَاجِهِمْ أوْ مَا مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ غَيْرُ مَلُومِينَ . فَمَنِ ابْتَغَى وَرَاء ذَلِكَ فَأُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْعَادُونَ . وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ لِأَمَانَاتِهِمْ وَعَهْدِهِمْ رَاعُونَ . وَالَّذِينَ هُمْ عَلَى صَلَوَاتِهِمْ يُحَافِظُونَ . أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الْوَارِثُونَ . الَّذِينَ يَرِثُونَ الْفِرْدَوْسَ هُمْ فِيهَا خَالِدُونَ​

The explanation:
(The believers are indeed successful:​

>> Those who are submissive in their prayers.​

>> And who turn away from idle talk.​

>> And who are active to give Zakat[-alms.]​

>> And guard their private parts.
Except before their wives or [the maidens] whom their right hands possess; then being not blameworthy.
But whosoever seeks after more than that; those – then – are the transgressors [of God's restrictions.]​

>> And those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenants.​

>> And who observe their prayers.​

These will be the heirs.
Who will inherit Paradise, to dwell therein forever.)​

www.quran-ayat.com

 

[Cliffy]

Nothing absurd other than your absurd words against God the All-Knowing the Most Wise.

While to Lithp, he accepts things as he is told and misinterpret some texts (while other Gospels did not say that Jesus is God Himself - Glory be to God Most Gracious) and his opinion is without thinking and using his mind, and he ascribes this to God that God is beyond our imagination: yes, certainly; but who said God - be glorified - is as you claim.

I here tell you clearly: Glory be to God Who is not any man (so he forgets) nor even any son of man (so He regrets.)-- this is an aya or verse of the Old Testament.

Therefore, according to this aya Jesus, the son of man, cannot be God.

eanassir, I was referring to Lithp's comments that we should throw logic out the window. Lithp's arguments are absurd. I cannot read Arabic so I don't know how accurate you English translations are. But judging by your lack of command of the English language, I would have to say that your translations of the Quran and the Bible into English are inaccurate. I also made that assessment because by the way you write English, your translations make very little sense. I understand your reverence to God, I just don't share your beliefs (as far as I can understand them). I do agree with you that Jesus never claimed to be the son of God and that the Bible has been badly misinterpreted. I don't agree with the Bible either based on my studies of it.

I do, however, have my own beliefs, and although you may think I'm wrong in those beliefs, I still prefer them to yours or the Christians. I'm not say that Muslims and Christians are wrong in their beliefs, just that they are wrong for me. There are many different ways to relate to the Creator. There is none that suit everybody. It is people who think their way is the only way who are dangerous to the rest of humanity because many of them are willing to kill to force others to accept their beliefs. That is my biggest reason for saying what I say about religion. Fundamentalists of any stripe are intolerant and bigoted toward any other belief system.

We are all children of the Creator and therefore we all have a right and an obligation to be tolerant toward all other children of the Creator. If all were given the word according to what they could understand, who are you to say, based on one book, that all others who do not believe as you do are wrong?

 

[eanassir]

Cliffy, you deserve now 30% correct. :lol:

eanassir, I was referring to Lithp's comments that we should throw logic out the window. Lithp's arguments are absurd.?

No objection.

I cannot read Arabic so I don't know how accurate you English translations are. But judging by your lack of command of the English language, I would have to say that your translations of the Quran and the Bible into English are inaccurate. I also made that assessment because by the way you write English, your translations make very little sense.?

I only translated the interpretation of the Quran, but did not translate the Quran itself, and I keep the Arabic text of the Quran together with the translated meaning.

I understand your reverence to God, I just don't share your beliefs (as far as I can understand them).?

:-(

I do agree with you that Jesus never claimed to be the son of God and that the Bible has been badly misinterpreted.?

correct.

I do, however, have my own beliefs, and although you may think I'm wrong in those beliefs, I still prefer them to yours or the Christians. I'm not say that Muslims and Christians are wrong in their beliefs, just that they are wrong for me. There are many different ways to relate to the Creator. There is none that suit everybody. It is people who think their way is the only way who are dangerous to the rest of humanity because many of them are willing to kill to force others to accept their beliefs. That is my biggest reason for saying what I say about religion. Fundamentalists of any stripe are intolerant and bigoted toward any other belief system.?

The truth is one only: I, you or Lithp: one of us is correct and the other two are wrong.
As in the Quran 34: 24
وَإِنَّا أَوْ إِيَّاكُمْ لَعَلَى هُدًى أَوْ فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ

The explanation:
(You will see whether I or you are on guidance or in obvious error.)​

We are all children of the Creator and therefore we all have a right and an obligation to be tolerant toward all other children of the Creator.?

We are the servans of God, not His children.

If all were given the word according to what they could understand, who are you to say, based on one book, that all others who do not believe as you do are wrong?

God knows who are the guided and who are the misguided. Certainly those who devote to Him alone and believe in all His apostles and all His books.

As in the Quran 16: 125
إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَن ضَلَّ عَن سَبِيلِهِ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ

The explanation:
(Surely your Lord knows best anyone who errs from His way, and He knows best who may accept guidance.)​

www.quran-ayat.com

 

[Omicron]

Anyhow, the Quran was written in sooras or chapters during the life of the Prophet, then it was collected after his death by his companions.

When some portions of revelation came down by the angel Gabriel, Prophet Mohammed - salam be to him - ordered his companions to write that in its proper site in different soorahs until the soorahs or chapters were completed.

I heard that non of it was written down until the Prophet had died... that it was after his death that they realized they'd better record it, and so they organized some kind of committee that would go around and ask everyone who'd heard the Prophet speak to tell them everything he said, and that their guideline was that every recollection had to be corroborated by at least one other person who'd heard him say the same thing.

I think it's kind of interesting that there's more in the Quran about the life and times of Mary, mother of Jesus, than there is in the Bible.

 

[lone wolf]

I wanna be there the day y'all show up at the Pearly Gates ... and St Peter lifts his head and goes: "Moo-oo?"

 

[Omicron]

My religion is better than your religion. My dogma is more inspired than your dogma. Your religion is a false religion and you are going to hell because god is on my side - thllltttzzz!!!

Yeah... stupid, isn't it.

There is no religion or belief system that is good for everybody. Just because you believe something does not necessarily make it true. The law says freedom of religion. Everybody is guaranteed the freedom to worship in any way they feel is right to them. To think that your religion is superior is an egotistical mind trap. If a Christian in America had been born in the Middle East instead of here, they would probably be Muslim and pointing at Christians and saying they are wrong. The only difference between Lithp and eanassir is the side of the world they live on and the culture they were born into.

I heard the Dali Lama's comments when someone asked him why there were different religions. He said it's because each religion was granted according to the nature of the people in the region that it showed up and spread in, i.e. that Christianity spread through Europe because it suited their nature, that Islam started among Arabs and spread to Turks because it suited their nature, that Buddhism started and spread to the parts of the world where it's practiced because it suits their nature, etc. but that in all cases, it was to take people of different natures and bring them to the same point.

As far as I'm concerned, if you were worshiping your gods as you are supposed to be you wouldn't have time to judge others. Besides, it is the law: "Judge not lest ye shall be judged".

If there is an after-life judgment process, I wouldn't be surprised if based upon how well you devoted to your own faith, whatever that faith might be.

 

[Kathie Bondar]

Yeah... stupid, isn't it.
I heard the Dali Lama's comments when someone asked him why there were different religions. He said it's because each religion was granted according to the nature of the people in the region that it showed up and spread in, i.e. that Christianity spread through Europe because it suited their nature, that Islam started among Arabs and spread to Turks because it suited their nature, that Buddhism started and spread to the parts of the world where it's practiced because it suits their nature, etc. but that in all cases, it was to take people of different natures and bring them to the same point.
If there is an after-life judgment process, I wouldn't be surprised if based upon how well you devoted to your own faith, whatever that faith might be.

Yes, there is an after-life judgment process and religion has nothing to do with it. Religion was supposed to be a guide to righteous living, to be a decent human being but churches managed to turn it into what it is today, a hegemony of discordant tones.
The after-life family is the permanent one, father, mother, siblings, etc, just like on Earth. Sometimes it may be the family both here and there. For ex. my own brother on Earth is actually one of my children in the other world.
Facing death, some senior family member will call for you. Some people think of it as a premonition, but yes, that person is actually contacting you that he/she will meet you and guide you across. Then there is the evaluation process, when you are shown the strengths and weaknesses of your earthy performance and base on it your future tasks will be determined.
The process is different for people who have committed suicide. They have no saying in the matter, they must return to earth and you can bet you would wish you had stuck it out on the first time, because now you will pay the price for bailing out.

 

[Omicron]

First. Jesus is the son of man and the son of GOD. You know this but wish to play semantics. He is the son of GOD (i.e. his is GOD) born as a man. He was born as a man for all the reasons that have been preached before.

How much do you know about the Council of Nicaea in 325?

Did you know that for its first 300 years, Christianity was divided between three interpretations of the life and mission of Jesus?

Some believed that He was the Son of God, and that His appearance on earth was a sort holographic projection... that there was no real tie to being a physical human.

Others believed that He was a physical human, born a man, and He got *adopted* as the Son of God when John Baptized him and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him from heaven.

Others, called the Trinitarians, believed that in some mysterious way Jesus was both God and Man, and advocates of that perspective, in particular Tertullian, taught that is was precisely the logical nonsensicalness of that perspective that made it valid, because the impossibility of the human mind to ever reach a comfortable understanding of that state is what would keep the faith alive.

In other words, he taught that if Jesus was just something like a holographic projection, then it made too much sense, such that once people felt like they understood it, they'd relax and move on to something else. Likewise, if Jesus was a physical man who was adopted as God's Son, then that also made too much sense, such that people would feel like they understood the nature of Jesus, and would relax and move on.

Tertullian taught that only by Jesus's nature being irreconcilably illogical is precisely what would keep the faith alive, because humans can never relax until they feel like they understand something, and God knows that, and so God presented Himself in a way that humans would never be able to make logical sense out of, which would force people into a perpetual state of trying to solve a mystery, which, in God's way of thinking, would guarantee that the faith would stay alive and propagate (people love a mystery).

That's the position the bishops at the Council of Nicaea finally agreed upon... by *one* vote!

And the reason they were there was because Constantine was tired of the Christians among his soldiers always arguing over the nature of Jesus, so he called together the bishops from all the lands under his rule, he parked them on the island of Nicaea, and he told them they couldn't leave until they reached some kind of consensus that would then be made the official version of Christianity that the Christians among his soldiers would have to accept.

Second. Islam is the greatest threat to all mankind as I stated above. A genuine threat to all living souls - good or bad.

Why?!? How so?!? More than Buddhism? More than Hinduism? More than Confucianism? (Which, in case you didn't know, is the underlying principal being used to define order by the communist government of China now that Mao's out of the way.)

To deny Jesus is to deny GOD himself. You do that when you reduce him to merely an apostle or prophet.

Actually, if you've read the Bible, you'll know that the only real "sin" that's going to get you into hot water is if you deny the voice of the Holy Spirit.

Again, it is unfortunate that you do not realize you are professing the same false doctrine that we were warned about so long ago.

Well, the Quran talks about how the Prophet was there to point out how teachings like Christianity and Judaism had become corrupted over the years by false prophets, so believe it or not, you're sharing an issue with Mohamed.

 

[CUBert]

Yes, there is an after-life judgment process and religion has nothing to do with it. Religion was supposed to be a guide to righteous living, to be a decent human being but churches managed to turn it into what it is today, a hegemony of discordant tones.
The after-life family is the permanent one, father, mother, siblings, etc, just like on Earth. Sometimes it may be the family both here and there. For ex. my own brother on Earth is actually one of my children in the other world.
Facing death, some senior family member will call for you. Some people think of it as a premonition, but yes, that person is actually contacting you that he/she will meet you and guide you across. Then there is the evaluation process, when you are shown the strengths and weaknesses of your earthy performance and base on it your future tasks will be determined.The process is different for people who have committed suicide. They have no saying in the matter, they must return to earth and you can bet you would wish you had stuck it out on the first time, because now you will pay the price for bailing out.

Ok my laughter was loud and external.
Is this Scientology ?
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[Omicron]

Yes, there is an after-life judgment process and religion has nothing to do with it. Religion was supposed to be a guide to righteous living, to be a decent human being but churches managed to turn it into what it is today, a hegemony of discordant tones.
The after-life family is the permanent one, father, mother, siblings, etc, just like on Earth. Sometimes it may be the family both here and there. For ex. my own brother on Earth is actually one of my children in the other world.
Facing death, some senior family member will call for you. Some people think of it as a premonition, but yes, that person is actually contacting you that he/she will meet you and guide you across. Then there is the evaluation process, when you are shown the strengths and weaknesses of your earthy performance and base on it your future tasks will be determined.
The process is different for people who have committed suicide. They have no saying in the matter, they must return to earth and you can bet you would wish you had stuck it out on the first time, because now you will pay the price for bailing out.

A lot of that makes intuitive sense, especially the handling of suicide, but if we get joined as families, then doesn't that make it all one great big giant family going back to the first human pair?

Also, you make it sound like we're in bodies, and presumably it would be your body at whatever its peak was (some people in their 20's, others some time in their 30s, for others maybe even some time in their teens) so you'd have a heaven with billions of people (estimated to now be about 100 billion since the first homo sapiens) all of whom look good because everyone's in their prime, with no kids or old people to worry about... what do we do? Farm and have lots of sex?

There are two, and only two religions in the world with real global Messianic missions. Islam and Christianity.. they are irreconcilable visions of the human eschatology.. and in the final measure of things.. only one with prevail. But one will prevail... there is nothing else.

Yeah, well... I know a few Jewish Global Conspiracy theorists who'd say if that's true, then Israel will conspire to make sure that neither Islam nor Christianity ever dominates, in order to ensure there will always be a niche for Judaism somewhere.

So what would you do? It sounds like you're on the Christian side. What would you do if you've been able to subjugate and convert all Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc., and finally you're looking at a few tens of millions of Jews.

What would you do? Would you turn on them and say, "Okay, and now we finally get around to you. Subjugate and convert or die."?

 

[Cliffy]

The only way there will be only one global religion is if TV finally turns us all into automatons.

 

[Omicron]

The good behavior, manner, conduct, morale in the Quran​

Some people here and elsewhere on intention say the Quran is savage, wild, violent, no conduct, no good morale, no humanity, no kindness … while the atheist and idolater are the humanity lover and they practice all kindness and mercy towards the poor and weak!
​

I have plenty of Muslim friends and associates, and I've never had an issue with any of them any more or less so than with the Christian, Sikhs and Hindus I know.

Okay, there was this time when I was dealing with a Fijian Hindu of an obscure sect that believed all computers host demons, such that if he was in a bad mood and he was close to a running computer he'd march over and unplug it, but that's Hindu, not Muslim, and he was a kook.

Otherwise, we get along just fine, the Muslims I know have a good sense of humor, and I definitely like their terms if anyone has to borrow money. I've been trying to talk them into designing female head-dress that use tie-died fabrics or have more high-end style, using things like fur.

They have fringe radicals, as do Christians, like the neo-Nazi Aryan Nations in Idaho and parts of BC and Alberta.

The Muslim colleagues agree with me that it's too bad we can't arrange it so the fringe-Muslims and fringe-Christians get dropped together on an island loaded with piles of arms and ammunition, so they can go at each other and wipe each other out... we'd pepper the island with pinhole cameras to catch all the action to broadcast as reality television and we'd make a fortune selling advertising.

I like the weddings. Good food, and I wish I could have worn something like a fancy turban and a long ornate coat like the grooms at the weddings I've been to wear.

 

[Cliffy]

The only way there will be only one world religion is if TV finally turns us all into automatons.

 

[taxslave]

Lets start with something simple like bringing you god over for tea to prove you even have one. The offer is open to all theocrats. First one to bring a god to my house wins. Don't worry about where I live as if you have a real god she will know.