The reason for the Muslim decline

Downhome_Woman

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If a women lays charges against her husband or divorces then they (other men) go into mormon mode and track them down and stone them or beat them.

If laws worked there wouldn't be segregated buses in J'lem and the incidence of violence would ease but that's not happening.

Oppression of any kind for anyone sucks ass and if we in the west want to truly see a better world for all we need to treat all oppressors equally and swiftly regardless of political pressure from wingnut groups like ADL.
'Please give me a reference where I an read that the heredim have stoned or beaten women - and if that has happened , that the government has let it slide.
Look - THAT's the difference. Israel has the Heredim - but they also have a legal system that is willing to deal with the Heredim. Can you say the same of Saudi Arabia - or Iran?
That whole business of women on the buses? Again, there is a legal system that will deal with these people. There is a tone in the country that willingly accept religious fanaticism so far. Too many people lived and died to give Jews a place where they can live freely - and that means the Heredim must abide by them - whether they want to or not.
 

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The Israeli police don't try very hard and not many will go out of their way to help. If they really gave a **** there wouldn't be segregated buses in the first place. Read the whole article.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=801449

A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the legality of sex-segregated buses.

Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for the police to apprehend her attackers.

Throughout the encounter, Shear says the bus driver "did nothing." The other passengers, she says, blamed her for not moving to the back of the bus and called her a "stupid American with no sechel [common sense.] People blamed me for not knowing my place and not going to the back of the bus where I belong."
If an entire bus full of people including the driver won't help, that denotes a society that is seriously flawed.
 

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The Israeli police don't try very hard and not many will go out of their way to help. If they really gave a **** there wouldn't be segregated buses in the first place. Read the whole article.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=801449

A woman who reported a vicious attack by an ad-hoc "modesty patrol" on a Jerusalem bus last month is now lining up support for her case and may be included in a petition to the High Court of Justice over the legality of sex-segregated buses.

Miriam Shear says she was traveling to pray at the Western Wall in Jerusalem's Old City early on November 24 when a group of ultra-Orthodox (Haredi) men attacked her for refusing to move to the back of the Egged No. 2 bus. She is now in touch with several legal advocacy and women's organizations, and at the same time, waiting for the police to apprehend her attackers.

If an entire bus full of people including the driver won't help, that denotes a society that is seriously flawed.

OK - that incident was 4 years ago. Can you tell me what is happening now? And by the way, the fact that she actually had legal recourse says a lot - tell me about the 'legal recourse' for women in Afghanistan, Iran, U=Iraq, Saudi Arabia ... you get my drift? Israel is by no means perfect but at least t makes the effort.
 

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Nothing has changed. They still have segregated buses and there are still beatings and therefore no legal recourse.

As far as I'm concerned one isn't better than the other because they aren't.

8 Months ago....

Egged bus driver to Ethiopian: No blacks allowed



Woman recounts humiliating experience in which bus driver told her, 'Ku****, in Ethiopia you didn't even have shoes and here you do, so why don’t you walk?'; Egged to investigate incident Daniel Edelson Published: 08.11.09, 22:20 /



A 23-year-old woman of Ethiopian descent claimed that the driver of an Egged No. 5 bus in Rishon Lezion refused to allow her to board his bus because of the color of her skin.

Speaking to Ynet, Yedno Verka recounted last Wednesday's incident: "As I prepared board the bus, the driver suddenly shut the door. I banged on the glass, but he ignored me. Then a young woman came running towards the bus, and he opened the door for her. I stayed close to her and boarded the bus.

"When the driver saw me he said, 'what, don’t you understand that I don't allow Kushim (derogatory term for black people) on board? Are you trying to smash my door in? Were there buses in Ethiopia? Why don't you walk? In Ethiopia you didn't even have shoes and here you do, so why don’t you walk?' I was shaking all over; I couldn't even speak," she said.

that sounds like something the taliban would do.
 

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I told you truths but that you don't like; you like saying bravo to you. I told you the real thing and you don't want to consider: like the ostrich putting her head in the dust when being in fear.

I said to you: this is only temporary because Muslims (and others) work against the Commandments of God in the Torah which are prescribed also in the Glorious Quran.

Then the truth became obvious: such people of Moses do not pertain to Moses; they pertain to Lucifer and to demons.

About Palestinians now:
Many of Palestinians are atheists, and most (but not all) of them are enthusiastic about the Prophet and his companions; so watch this:

Once you see this people (Palestinian, Arab and Muslim people) devoted to God alone then your end is so near: they are indeed (and the Islamic nation) now are the Chosen People of God: working according to His commandments in the Quran and devoting themselves to Him.

You have nothing to do with God and His prophet Moses: you are a bunch of atheists; so have the glad-tidings of perishing and disappearing from this page of history: how could you come in such heedlessness time? With the aid of your riches and the aid of England, and God permitted this as a temporary punishment for Muslims.

Haven't you read this in the Quran 3: 181 about your ancestors: God dispised them and created the apes and swines in Asia out of their decayed bodies; so beware of eating the pork ...

لَّقَدْ سَمِعَ اللّهُ قَوْلَ الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّ اللّهَ فَقِيرٌ وَنَحْنُ أَغْنِيَاء سَنَكْتُبُ مَا قَالُواْ وَقَتْلَهُمُ الأَنبِيَاء بِغَيْرِ حَقٍّ وَنَقُولُ ذُوقُواْ عَذَابَ الْحَرِيق ...الخِ

The explanation:
( God has heard the saying of those [Jews] who said: "God is poor and we are rich [: that He borrows from us.]"

We shall write down what they have said, and their slaying the prophets without right, and We shall say [to them on the Day of Judgment]: "Taste the chastisement of the Burning [in Hell.]"

This [chastisement] shall [you suffer] according to [your disbelief, slaying of the prophets and the evil works] that your hands have forwarded [to your afterlife] –– surely God is never unjust in dealing with His servants.)

They Killed the Prophets
 
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Haven't you read this in the Quran about your ancestors God dispised them and created the apes and swines in Asia out of their decayed bodies; so beware of eating the pork ...
God despised my ancestors? That's nice, whose fault is that? Every time I start thinking you couldn't possibly get any more bizarre and illogical, you come up with something like that. Explain this to me: what kind of supposedly omnipotent, omniscient, infinitely loving and benevolent deity would create a Hell, or at least allow one to exist, then with full foreknowledge so arrange things that most of his most beloved creatures end up in it? Most people around the world aren't Muslim, as you obviously must know, and it appears that according to you even most people who call themselves Muslim are not behaving correctly, they're making too much of their prophets and imams and not properly worshiping the deity alone, so they're condemned as well. Not only that, the deity delivers his final revelation only to an isolated desert tribe that is largely illiterate, including its major prophet, at a time when global communication is non-existent, thus ensuring the slowest possible spread of the message.

Have you any idea how little sense you make?
 
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Nothing has changed. They still have segregated buses and there are still beatings and therefore no legal recourse.
:roll: We have beatings here. I guess we have no recourse.

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As far as I'm concerned one isn't better than the other because they aren't.

8 Months ago....

Egged bus driver to Ethiopian: No blacks allowed



Woman recounts humiliating experience in which bus driver told her, 'Ku****, in Ethiopia you didn't even have shoes and here you do, so why don’t you walk?'; Egged to investigate incident Daniel Edelson Published: 08.11.09, 22:20 /



A 23-year-old woman of Ethiopian descent claimed that the driver of an Egged No. 5 bus in Rishon Lezion refused to allow her to board his bus because of the color of her skin.

Speaking to Ynet, Yedno Verka recounted last Wednesday's incident: "As I prepared board the bus, the driver suddenly shut the door. I banged on the glass, but he ignored me. Then a young woman came running towards the bus, and he opened the door for her. I stayed close to her and boarded the bus.

"When the driver saw me he said, 'what, don’t you understand that I don't allow Kushim (derogatory term for black people) on board? Are you trying to smash my door in? Were there buses in Ethiopia? Why don't you walk? In Ethiopia you didn't even have shoes and here you do, so why don’t you walk?' I was shaking all over; I couldn't even speak," she said.

that sounds like something the taliban would do.
Actually, I think the Taliban would do a bit worse than that.
 

eanassir

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God despised my ancestors?

Not all Jews in the past; it was they who worshipped the idols Baalim and Astaroth and associated their imams (sages) together with God Most Gracious; and those who transgressed on the Sabbath and went to trade and fish on the Sabbath.

Those who transgressed on the Sabbath were like apes imitating others without thinking and without reason; this is the story of Nehemia son of Heklia the ruler of Elath who said to them: You have become like apes imitating others without mind.

This is explained in the Quran 2: 65
وَلَقَدْ عَلِمْتُمُ الَّذِينَ اعْتَدَواْ مِنكُمْ فِي السَّبْتِ فَقُلْنَا لَهُمْ كُونُواْ قِرَدَةً خَاسِئِينَ ..الخ
The explanation:
(And well you knew those among you who transgressed in the [matter of the] Sabbath: We said to them: "Be [like] apes, despised and rejected."

Thus We made it an example to those [cities] around it and to those [cities far] beyond it and a lesson to those who ward off [evil and God's punishment.] )

And the wrath of God was enkindled against Jews when they associated their idols and their imams :) sages) together with Him; so He set Nabuchodonosor on them and even He created the apes and swine in Palestine out of their dead corpses as a despise of the stubborn disobedient associaters.


This is explained in the Quran 5: 60
قُلْ هَلْ أُنَبِّئُكُم بِشَرٍّ مِّن ذَلِكَ مَثُوبَةً عِندَ اللّهِ مَن لَّعَنَهُ اللّهُ وَغَضِبَ عَلَيْهِ وَجَعَلَ مِنْهُمُ الْقِرَدَةَ وَالْخَنَازِيرَ وَعَبَدَ الطَّاغُوتَ أُوْلَئِكَ شَرٌّ مَّكَاناً وَأَضَلُّ عَن سَوَاء السَّبِيلِ
The explanation:
(Say [Mohammed]: "Shall I tell you [Jews] about something worse than that [you mock at, of our religion] – concerning a reward from God [that will be for us?]

They are those [your ancestors and you] whom God cursed, and His wrath was kindled against them,

and He made of their [dead bodies] the apes and swines [in Palestine, after the coming of Nabuchodonosor],

and [those who] served the Taghoot: the tyrant [: Nabuchodonosor, and Pharaoh before him.]

Those [who served Baal and Astaroth] are [today] worst in abode and farthest astray from the right way.")


Explain this to me: what kind of supposedly omnipotent, omniscient, infinitely loving and benevolent deity would create a Hell, or at least allow one to exist, then with full foreknowledge so arrange things that most of his most beloved creatures end up in it?

Will God treat all people equally: the criminal like the pious and the guilty like the righteous? So He will not leave the wrong-doer without taking the rights of the wronged out of the wrong-doer.

His beloved creature is the God-fearing who obeys His commandments and avoid His forbidding and so avoid His punishment.

Most people around the world aren't Muslim, as you obviously must know, and it appears that according to you even most people who call themselves Muslim are not behaving correctly, they're making too much of their prophets and imams and not properly worshiping the deity alone, so they're condemned as well.

True.

Not only that, the deity delivers his final revelation only to an isolated desert tribe that is largely illiterate, including its major prophet, at a time when global communication is non-existent, thus ensuring the slowest possible spread of the message.

This is His wisdom, and He specifies whomever He please to send as an apostle to warn against the idolatry.

Jews before envied Mohammed and the Arab because God preferred them by sending His apostle out of them and revealed to him the Quran as a guidance to all humanity.


A Call to Contemporary Jews
 
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I have one. What do you need it for? η
So I know when to put out the pork rinds and beer.

Not all Jews in the past; it was they who worshipped the idols Baalim and Astaroth and associated their imams (sages) together with God Most Gracious; and those who transgressed on the Sabbath and went to trade and fish on the Sabbath.




Will God treat all people equally: the criminal like the pious and the guilty like the righteous? So He will not leave the wrong-doer without taking the rights of the wronged out of the wrong-doer.

His beloved creature is the God-fearing who obeys His commandments and avoid His forbidding and so avoid His punishment.



True.



This is His wisdom, and He specifies whomever He please to send him as an apostle to warn against the idolatry. Jews before envied Mohammed and the Arab because God preferred them by sending His apostle out of them and revealed to him the Quran as a guidance to all humanity.
 

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Much laugh will lead to sadness and depression :cry: ; and much sadness and weeping will lead to gladness :D ; so be a moderate bear neither much laugh nor much sadness and depression.
 

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Much laugh will lead to sadness and depression :cry: ; and much sadness and weeping will lead to gladness :D ; so be a moderate bear neither much laugh nor much sadness and depression.
1, You make me actually laugh out loud, and contrary to popular belief. I'm always pretty happy. 2, I think sadness and depression are for the weak, so I just leave them to it.

Keep posting ean, you're a hoot!!!
 

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petros, the lucky b@stard, whose only qualification to call herself a Canadian is the unfortunate fact that she was born here, infected the internet with the racist remark:

"So why are you here? ****ing foreigner."

Like the great Ronald Reagan said to the rube:

"THERE YOU GO AGAIN!"