Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet

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Its just an opinion by someone who likes to label people. One which supports denying food, medicine and humanitarian aid from reaching civilians.

We all have our opinions. IMO, Collectively punishing 1.5 million people by deliberately creating plague and famine conditions is a cruel crime against humanity and the people responsible should face prosecution for all the suffering they have caused.

Other people like Colpy and the person he references in his link seem to take sadistic pleasure in the cruel oppression and injustice suffered by all these civilians, including women and children.

Oh that's right we are talking about 1.5 million evil terrorists, not human beings.
 

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Its just an opinion by someone who likes to label people.


One which supports denying food, medicine and humanitarian aid from reaching civilians.
Please provide a quote from the Op/Ed piece to prove that.
We all have our opinions. IMO, Collectively punishing 1.5 million people by deliberately creating plague and famine conditions is a cruel crime against humanity and the people responsible should face prosecution for all the suffering they have caused.
I agree, I'm putting together a petition to have Hamas removed from power by force if necessary, so Palestinians can have a truly free vote and hopefully elect a gov't that is willing to negotiate a reasonable settlement, are you in?

Other people like Colpy and the person he references in his link seem to take sadistic pleasure in the cruel oppression and injustice suffered by all these civilians, including women and children.
Again, please provide a quote from the article to prove that.

Oh that's right we are talking about 1.5 million evil terrorists, not human beings.
Your words, not ours. But it was still a lovely exaggerated insinuation, ignoring the fact that no one in this conversation has ever said such a thing. But hey, why let that stop you from making stuff up. You're only doing what 95% of your sources do.
 
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Yesterday I heard on Radio One that Israel admits that members of the boarding crew made some very bad impulsive descions.

I can live with that.
 

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We all have our opinions. IMO, Collectively punishing 1.5 million people by deliberately creating plague and famine conditions is a cruel crime against humanity and the people responsible should face prosecution for all the suffering they have caused.

Man, reality makes absolutely no impression on you whatsoever, does it?

"plague and famine?" :) That is ludicrous!!!!

FACT:
The average life expectancy at birth in the world is 67 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in 'unoccupied" Egypt is 72 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in Gaza is 73 years.

Think about that.

In the week ending April 21, 2010 (before the flotilla kafuffle) Israel allowed 17,412,000 kilos of products into Gaza (including everything, fuel, food, etc)....11 kilos per person. That is aside from what is produced there, and what enters from Egypt. In addition, 488 people passed into Israel for medical treatment.

And Gaza EXPORTED medical supplies (!!!!!!) and flowers (if they are starving, why are they growing carnations instead of corn????)
 

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Man, reality makes absolutely no impression on you whatsoever, does it?
Please tell me you didn't just come to this realization?

"plague and famine?" :) That is ludicrous!!!!
And that's stopped people like eao from cutting and pasting a myriad of BS, Pallywood crap and propaganda for years?

FACT:
The average life expectancy at birth in the world is 67 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in 'unoccupied" Egypt is 72 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in Gaza is 73 years.
To paraphrase Al Pacino in Scar face, this is the mantra of the crowd your attempting to reason with..."Facts? We don't need no stink facts"
Think about that.
Do you have a tendency to ask the impossible?

In the week ending April 21, 2010 (before the flotilla kafuffle) Israel allowed 17,412,000 kilos of products into Gaza (including everything, fuel, food, etc)....11 kilos per person. That is aside from what is produced there, and what enters from Egypt. In addition, 488 people passed into Israel for medical treatment.
Again..."Facts? We don't need no stink facts"

And Gaza EXPORTED medical supplies (!!!!!!) and flowers (if they are starving, why are they growing carnations instead of corn????)
But Colpy!!!??? Don't you know we have to hate Israel? They're all war crime committing human rights violating Zionists.

Well the IDF and their Politicians are anyways.
 

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Man, reality makes absolutely no impression on you whatsoever, does it?

"plague and famine?" :) That is ludicrous!!!!

FACT:
The average life expectancy at birth in the world is 67 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in 'unoccupied" Egypt is 72 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in Gaza is 73 years.

Think about that.

In the week ending April 21, 2010 (before the flotilla kafuffle) Israel allowed 17,412,000 kilos of products into Gaza (including everything, fuel, food, etc)....11 kilos per person. That is aside from what is produced there, and what enters from Egypt. In addition, 488 people passed into Israel for medical treatment.

And Gaza EXPORTED medical supplies (!!!!!!) and flowers (if they are starving, why are they growing carnations instead of corn????)

What do Zionists do to the children in Palestine?
My question is direct and clear.
Many of the children in Palestine are captured and imprisoned then dealt with in some way or another.
So if you know anything, don't hide it.
Because now our blood is boiling in the blood vessels.
 

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What do Zionists do to the children in Palestine?
Nothing like you have just stated.

Here's a direct question...can you provide a written policy from the Gov't of Israel that pertains to the crap you just babbled?

Here's another...Can you provide proof of this policy, beyond isolated and anecdotal stories?
 
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eanassir

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Nothing like you have just stated.

The Egyptian say in a parable: لا وانتَ الصادق which means: Sure ... you are the truthful, are you? No, you are not.

Here's a direct question...can you provide a written policy from the Gov't of Israel that pertains to the crap you just babbled?



 

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Man, reality makes absolutely no impression on you whatsoever, does it?

"plague and famine?" :) That is ludicrous!!!!

FACT:
The average life expectancy at birth in the world is 67 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in 'unoccupied" Egypt is 72 years.
The life expectancy of a child born in Gaza is 73 years.

Think about that.

In the week ending April 21, 2010 (before the flotilla kafuffle) Israel allowed 17,412,000 kilos of products into Gaza (including everything, fuel, food, etc)....11 kilos per person. That is aside from what is produced there, and what enters from Egypt. In addition, 488 people passed into Israel for medical treatment.

And Gaza EXPORTED medical supplies (!!!!!!) and flowers (if they are starving, why are they growing carnations instead of corn????)

Your "facts" are meaningless unless you reference a source. You could have made them up. They could be old and obsolete. Perhaps they come from American or Israeli propaganda sources.

Unlike you, I always post links so people can judge my sources for themselves.

Seems to me pretty clear that Israel's illegal blockade of food, medicine, medical supplies and other humanitarian aid adversely affects the health of Gaza civilians:

World Health Organization report
http://www.emro.who.int/palestine/reports/advocacy_HR/advocacy/WHO%20-Press%20statement-June2010.pdf

1 June 2010 ¦ JERUSALEM -- The World Health Organization renews a call to allow for the unimpeded access into the Gaza Strip of life-saving medical supplies, including equipment and medicines, as well as more effective movement of people in and out of the territory for medical training and the repair of devices needed to deliver appropriate healthcare....

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- Disrupted power, water and sanitation services greatly impact on the delivery of healthcare and consequent health conditions for Gazans.
- Gaza's second biggest hospital, the Gaza-European Hospital, operates without 2 out of its 3 elevators not functioning due to disrepair.
- All hospitals have been waiting for over 6 months to get spare parts to repair their main sterilizers.
-Spare parts needed for the cardiac catheterization laboratories in the Gaza-European Hospital have been waiting to enter for 6 months.
There are often shortages essential medicines, with 15%–20% of such drugs commonly out of stock
-Many specialized treatments (e.g. for complex heart surgery and certain types of cancer) are unavailable in the Gaza Strip. Many patients who are referred for treatment to hospitals outside Gaza have had their applications for exit permits denied or delayed by Israeli authorities and have missed their appointments. Several have died while waiting for referral.
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Worsening malnutrition among Gaza children - IRIN/ Non-UN Document (21 April 2009)

OPT: Signs of worsening malnutrition among children

GAZA CITY, 21 April 2009 (IRIN) - Rising poverty, unemployment and food insecurity in Gaza, compounded by the recent 23-day Israeli offensive, have increased the threat of child malnutrition, say UN agencies, health ministry officials and healthcare NGOs in Gaza.

UN World Health Organization (WHO) officials are concerned by the warning signs, including rising malnutrition indicators - like increased cases of stunting, wasting and underweight children - and continuing high rates of anaemia among children and pregnant women.

A Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)/World Food Programme (WFP) qualitative food security assessment for Gaza in 2008 and early 2009 points to increasing food insecurity compared to 2007, said FAO food security adviser Erminio Saco based in Jerusalem; and according to the Palestinian Central Bureau of Statistics (PCBS) food acquisition and energy consumption in Gaza declined by 10 percent between 2005 and 2007.

Over the past 18 months the agricultural sector has been struggling to cope with an Israeli blockade on imports and exports, causing lower productivity and reducing access to affordable fresh food, according to FAO.
Gaza siege damages Palestinians' health: study | Reuters

Gaza siege damages Palestinians' health: study

By Kate Kelland
LONDON | Fri Jul 2, 2010

(Reuters) - Palestinian health experts studying the impact of Israel's blockade of the Gaza Strip say it threatens to cause long-term damage to Palestinians' health, with many children at risk of stunted growth or malnutrition.

In a series of studies published in the Lancet medical journal on Friday, researchers also said Israel's attack on the region in early 2009 had a devastating effect, causing injury, displacement and social suffering, particularly among children....
Also Israel's cruel treatment of Palestinians isn't limited to Gaza. Some areas of the West Bank, are actually worse.

CIDA
West Bank and Gaza - overview - CIDA

Almost 58 percent of Palestinians live in poverty, and about half of this group lives in extreme poverty. About 50 percent of Palestinians experience or risk experiencing food insecurity. Food insecurity is particularly severe in Gaza, where the majority of the population relies on humanitarian assistance to survive. The rate of chronic malnutrition in children under the age of five has increased, reaching almost 10 percent, and the mortality figures for children under the age of one and under the age of five have each increased by about 30 percent. Anaemia is common, with 55 percent of children under the age of three affected by the condition. Among pregnant women, the rate is 36 percent―46 percent for nursing mothers....

alJazeera
West Bank poverty 'worse than Gaza' - Middle East - Al Jazeera English
West Bank poverty 'worse than Gaza'

Al Jazeera's Bernard Smith reports on how the poor pay a heavy price in the West Bank

Children living in the poorest parts of the West Bank face significantly worse conditions than their counterparts in Gaza, a study conducted by an international youth charity has found.

The report by Save the Children UK, due to be released on Wednesday, says that families forced from their homes in the West Bank are suffering the effects of grinding poverty, often lacking food, medicine and humanitarian assistance.

The European Commission funded study found that in "Area C"- the 60 per cent of the West Bank under direct Israeli control - the poorest sections of society are suffering disproportionately because basic infrastructure is not being repaired due to Israel's refusal to approve the work.

Homes, schools, drainage systems and roads are in urgent need of repair, but instead of work being allowed, families are being forced to live in tents and do not have access to clean water.

Restrictions on the use of land for agriculture have left thousands of Palestinian children without enough food and many are becoming ill as a result, the study found...
So much for claims that Gazans would be better off if their leaders recognized and cooperated with Israel.

Israel is going to seize as much land as they can, redeem it by cleansing it of non-Jews, demolish the Palestinian homes and build Jewish only colonies over the ruins. The previous occupants will all eventually be imprisoned behind walls like Gaza and if they complain or resist, Israel will cut off food, water and medicine. If they continue to complain, then Israel will bomb them into submission. Israel has been doing this for 60 years, and they will continue to treat these people like this until the rest of the world finally demands that Israel respect international laws and treaties or face the consequences.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Herman /Israel_Ethnic_Cleansing.html

Ethnic Cleansing and the "Moral Instinct"
How the West and free press underwrote Israel's ethnic cleansing
by Edward Herman
www.zmag.org, March 2006


...The most interesting case of an aborted "moral instinct" is that involving Israel, where the state has been engaged in a systematic policy of dispossession and ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem for decades, not only without a meaningful response on the part of the "free world," but with steady support from the United States and spurts of approval and support from its democratic allies. The ability of the Western political leaders, media, and humanitarian intellectuals to get enraged at Arafat, Chavez, and Milosevic, while treating Begin, Netanyahu, and Sharon as statespeople deserving of economic and military aid and diplomatic support, is a small miracle of self-deception, advanced double standards, and moral turpitude.

What makes it a miracle is that the basic premises, as well as the performance of the Israeli state, fly in the face of the entire range of enlightenment values that supposedly underlie Western civilization.

First, it is a racist state as a matter of ideology and law. It is officially a Jewish state: 90 percent of the land is reserved for Jews. Palestinians have been barred from leasing or buying state-owned lands that were seized in 1948 and later and Jews from abroad have a right to immigrate and become citizens with privileges superior to those of indigenous non-Jews. This kind of ideology and law was unacceptable as regards the apartheid state of South Africa, although it is interesting that Reagan was "constructively engaged" with that state, Margaret Thatcher found it quite tolerable, and South African "anti-terror" operations were integrated with those of the "free world." But the Israeli analogue of the Nuremberg laws and its construction of a state built on racial discrimination is acceptable to the enlightened West. The "chosen people" replace the "master race." That is not only acceptable, but Israel is held up as a model democracy and "light unto the world" (Anthony Lewis). By implication, Israel's creation of a body of humans who are second class citizens by law (or of a still lesser class in the occupied territories) is also acceptable. This is a unique system of "privileged racism."

Second, the Israeli state has been allowed to ignore numerous Security Council resolutions and the Fourth Geneva Convention regarding its occupation of the West Bank, as well as the International Court of Justice ruling on its apartheid wall. It has been able to dispossess Palestinians of a large fraction of their land and water, demolish thousands of their homes, cut down many thousands of their olive trees, destroy their infrastructure, and create a modern network of roads through the occupied West Bank for Jews only while imposing serious obstacles to Palestinian movement. This systematic ethnic cleansing has been implemented by an extremely well trained and well equipped army working over a virtually unarmed indigenous population to make room for Jewish settlers-in violation of international law on the proper behavior of an occupying power. This is a unique system of "privileged ethnic cleansing," "privileged law violations," and "privileged exceptions to Security Council and International Court rulings."

Third, Israel has periodically crossed its borders to make war on its neighbors-Egypt, Syria, and Lebanon-and has engaged in supplementary bombing or acts of terrorism against those three countries plus Tunisia and for many years has maintained a terrorist proxy army in Lebanon while carrying out numerous terrorist raids there under its Iron Fist policy, inflicting heavy civilian casualties. While the 1982 invasion of Lebanon was proclaimed to be in response to terrorist attacks, in fact it was based on the absence of terrorist attacks (despite deliberate Israeli provocations) and the fear of having to negotiate with the Palestinians rather than continue to ethnically cleanse them. There was no punishment or sanction against Israel for these actions, as Israel benefits from a "privileged right to aggression, state terrorism, and sponsorship of terrorism."...
 
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Your "facts" are meaningless unless you reference a source. You could have made them up. They could be old and obsolete.
He already posted them. Just because you ignored them then, doesn't make them any less relevant now.

Perhaps they come from American or Israeli propaganda sources.


Which is what you call any site that you can't refute, or disprove.
Unlike you, I always post links so people can judge my sources for themselves.
No matter how many times we've physically proven your sources to be fraudulent, misleading, erroneous or out right lies.
Seems to me pretty clear that Israel's illegal blockade of food, medicine, medical supplies and other humanitarian aid adversely affects the health of Gaza civilians:
The facts seem to say something else.
World Health Organization report
Which actually doesn't blame Israel 100%, like you do.

"Disrupted power, water and sanitation services greatly impact on the delivery of healthcare and consequent health conditions for Gazans." This is true, and it is Hamas' own people that control these systems on the Gazan side of teh border that have inflicted the most suffering, by turning them off in protest.
After the Human Rights Council became the who's who of human rights abusers in the Middle East, and the Goldstone report, the UN has no credibility left.
Also Israel's cruel treatment of Palestinians isn't limited to Gaza. Some areas of the West Bank, are actually worse.
Some, which means that it isn't Israels fault, its the West Banks infrastructures fault.
How is it they're surviving on humanitarian aid? Aren't you trying to tell us Israel blocks it all?
alJazeera
Now there's an unbiased news source!!!
So much for claims that Gazans would be better off if their leaders recognized and cooperated with Israel.
There you have it, the proverbial Freudian slip. You don't think they should recognize Israel. Again, your hatred of the Joos is exposed.

Israel is going to seize as much land as they can, redeem it by cleansing it of non-Jews, demolish the Palestinian homes and build Jewish only colonies over the ruins. The previous occupants will all eventually be imprisoned behind walls like Gaza and if they complain or resist, Israel will cut off food, water and medicine. If they continue to complain, then Israel will bomb them into submission. Israel has been doing this for 60 years, and they will continue to treat these people like this until the rest of the world finally demands that Israel respect international laws and treaties or face the consequences.
There's your blanket condemnation again, again exposing that deep seeded hatred of the Joos.

Bear, and you will keep up as a bear, but only a CDNBear.


So you still can't prove the crap you post?

I didn't think so.

Israeli murderers are called commandos. Arab commandos are called terrorists.
:lol:
fify...

People who wear suicide vests, launch rockets into civilian neighbourhoods with no military objective, are not commando's, they're cowardly terrorists.

You can call them whatever you want. It only exposes your ignorance.
 

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CDNBear, you are only a wrangler; do you want to defend the criminal people; the wrong doers and transgressors, who came and settled in Palestine taking the advantage of their allies the English and the weakness of the Arab and the Muslims worlds.

So they started to settle and drive away the original Palestinian people from their homeland and to attack the Arab countries and transgress on them continuously in minor daily attacks and in major every 19 years expansion until they captured the city of Jerusalem and started to corrupt the holy mosque at Jerusalem.

Whatever you say, you cannot change the truth and their transgression is evident to all people.

I tell you another point: you might have been born there in Palestine, but you have to know that the West in fact wanted to get rid of Jews and exploit them to weaken the Arab and prevent their unity.

While it is better to Jews not to be foolish and to be good with Muslims; that is for their future outcome.

Balfour’s Declaration—November, 2, 1917
England Aimed From This Declaration to Two Goals
The Role of the American Imperialism
 
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