Myself - i would insert myself into their personal life - showing up at public places or work and letting the world know what this scum sucker was - I would be like a fly on a shxt pile - swarming in when least expected - their life would be hell. I ould be an avenging mean person - I owuld not forgive and i would never forget.
Polanski Not to be Extradited to US, Free man.
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Myself - i would insert myself into their personal life - showing up at public places or work and letting the world know what this scum sucker was - I would be like a fly on a shxt pile - swarming in when least expected - their life would be hell. I ould be an avenging mean person - I owuld not forgive and i would never forget.
The U.S. has extradition treaties with every country in Europe (almost). A country can block extradition for just about any reason. So much for treaties. Almost forgot, Interpol also has a warrent out for his arrest.
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Also if a bounty hunter did return him to the US - The Govt does not care how he got there - Then he goes to sentencing - I am sure that he would be put away now for a long time.
Perhaps the US should offer a reward.
SJP: You asked me "Don’t you believe it. Prisons are full of criminals who thought they were smart enough to outwit the law, were too smart to get caught, only to receive a rude shock and end up in prison."
If this had happened we would not be chatting about it now. In his case, the law has not spoken, he is just being protected by a country/countries that support pedophiles.
Trial part is over, but I think this is one of those instances where justice should be tempered with mercy. The legal process is over, he won't be extradited, let us move on.
Huh?
As long as you understand I know little about hockey but I am a toronto fan. Perhaps that is why i am a TO fan - hate the city though.
Again, you are assuming a lot of things here. We are not talking here of ‘what happens to many after they are abused’, we are talking only of this one particular case. There is a big difference between this case and Catholic priests, as I have already pointed out (the victims in Catholic abuse actively pursued the perpetrators, they wanted them punished).
We don’t know that she suffered ill effects on the scale that other sex abuse victims did. Her reaction to Polanski’s arrest indicates that she probably has overcome the trauma of sex abuse and is leading a normal life.
So I answered the question regarding my son in that context. If he was abused 33 years ago, is 46 years old today, has got over the abuse, is leading a normal life and he tells me that he wants to forgive and forget, I will support him.
All those other child abuse cases are not relevant here; we are discussing this one case.
We should reciprocate? What does Canada have to do with it? I am not aware that Canada was trying to extradite Polanski.
If canada requests France to extadite a wanted criminal - and the charges are valid - French policy is to refuse - They are special now aren't they -
Do you know why the French had yellow head lights on their cars.
Really, if somebody supports legalizing brothels, that means he has some sexual issues to sort through? If that is true, then most of Europe has sexual problems to sort through, since brothels are legal over most fo Europe.
When it comes to brothels, USA has the puritanical, Fundamentalist Christian attitude, Europe has a liberal, tolerant attitude. Canada cannot make up her mind, and lies uncomfortably between the two positions.
Better educate yourself on the active European slave trade in women for these liberal and tolerant Europeans to have sex with - Do some research before you go on about European superiority on a topic you have no knowledge of.
All that may be true DHW, but the process has reached its end. Unless he goes to an extraditable country, there is no way he can be extradited to USA.
I am not saying that USA was wrong to try for extradition, that was right and proper. However, now that extradition is impossible, and considering all the other factors (he is an old man, it was more than a generation ago, the victim wants to drop it), I think it is time to drop it.
Slave trade takes place everywhere Goober, not just Europe. Plenty takes place in USA as well. That is a global problem, and it is hardly fair to single out Europe for it.
Then do some research to see how rampant it is in Europe - Big money in it - Billions
I am sure US has better use of the money than to spend it on some wild goose chase. They have horrendous budget deficit, perhaps if they have extra money, it will be better spent reducing the budget deficit, rather than putting a price on somebody's head.
Besides, they have offered 25 million $ for anybody who can capture Osama Ben Laden, so far there have been no takers. What makes you think it will be different with Polanski?
That is the same as law having spoken. In this case, it is the Swiss law which has spoken. And it has the last word here, not the American law.
It is rampant in USA as well, Goober. There is big money in slave trade, and organized crime probably is in on it.
As you have noted, until he goes to another extraditable country, nothing can be done. But if you actually read anything about this creature's actions in the past, he is nothing if not arrogant. I wouldn't put it past him to actually go to another country - one that has an extradition treaty with the States. In that case, I wouldn't give a tinker's damn if he hadn't done anything since then, and I wouldn't care if he were in a zimmer frame wearing diapers. I would want to see him back in the States finishing off the process the coward ran from. And by the way, he 'got off' in Switzerland not because they couldn't find anything wrong, but on a very flimsy technicality.
All the pedophiles in the world must be raising a toast in their favourite bar right now to both Switzerland and to their poster boy, Polanski.
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During WW2 the Swiss were 'neutral'. Rather than be moral, they chose to be bankers to the Nazis and to be th playground to both sides. Yes, they allowed refugees in but at a great monetary cost. They facilitated the escape of many high ranking NAZI officials (they had money), Their 'morality' seems to be dictated by dollar value rather than doing what's right.I read the transcripts and I've done my best to follow all the articles regarding that case, and bottom line, he skipped the country before sentencing. who knows? He may very well have been found innocent - but he left before due process has a chance to finish.
If the Swiss decided not to acknowledge that, well it just shows them to be the same people they were during the war. A country without a moral compass.
Go volunteer with one of the thousands of agencies that try to clean up the street sex trade in Canada and around the globe then tell me it has no emotional effect on the women involved.
Prostitution Facts
The average age of entry into prostitution is 13 years (M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes, Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133) or 14 years (D.Kelly Weisberg, 1985, Children of the Night: A Study of Adolescent Prostitution, Lexington, Mass, Toronto). Most of these 13 or 14 year old girls were recruited or coerced into prostitution. Others were "traditional wives" without job skills who escaped from or were abandoned by abusive husbands and went into prostitution to support themselves and their children. (Denise Gamache and Evelina Giobbe, Prostitution: Oppression Disguised as Liberation, National Coalition against Domestic Violence, 1990)
Estimates of the prevalence of incest among prostitutes range from 65% to 90%. The Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, Oregon Annual Report in 1991 stated that: 85% of prostitute/clients reported history of sexual abuse in childhood; 70% reported incest. The higher percentages (80%-90%) of reports of incest and childhood sexual assaults of prostitutes come from anecdotal reports and from clinicians working with prostitutes (interviews with Nevada psychologists cited by Patricia Murphy, Making the Connections: women, work, and abuse, 1993, Paul M. Deutsch Press, Orlando, Florida; see also Rita Belton, "Prostitution as Traumatic Reenactment," 1992, International Society for Traumatic Stress Annual Meeting, Los Angeles, CA M.H. Silbert and A.M. Pines, 1982, "Victimization of street prostitutes," Victimology: An International Journal, 7: 122-133; C. Bagley and L Young, 1987, "Juvenile Prostitution and child sexual abuse: a controlled study," Canadian Journal of Community Mental Health, Vol 6: 5-26.)
80% of prostitution survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt Minneapolis, MN)
90% of prostituted women interviewed by WHISPER had pimps while in prostitution (Evelina Giobbe, 1987, WHISPER Oral History Project, Minneapolis, Minnesota).
"About 80% of women in prostitution have been the victim of a rape. It's hard to talk about this because..the experience of prostitution is just like rape. Prostitutes are raped, on the average, eight to ten times per year. They are the most raped class of women in the history of our planet. " (Susan Kay Hunter and K.C. Reed, July, 1990 "Taking the side of bought and sold rape," speech at National Coalition against Sexual Assault, Washington, D.C. ) Other studies report 68% to 70% of women in prostitution being raped (M Silbert, "Compounding factors in the rape of street prostitutes," in A.W. Burgess, ed., Rape and Sexual Assault II, Garland Publishing, 1988; Melissa Farley and Howard Barkan, "Prostitution, Violence, and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder," 1998, Women & Health.)
78% of 55 women who sought help from the Council for Prostitution Alternatives in 1991 reported being raped an average of 16 times a year by pimps, and were raped 33 times a year by johns. (Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives Annual Report, 1991, Portland, Oregon) 85% of prostitutes are raped by pimps. (Council on Prostitution Alternatives, Portland, 1994)
Prostitution is an act of violence against women which is intrinsically traumatizing. In a study of 475 people in prostitution (including women, men, and the transgendered) from five countries (South Africa, Thailand, Turkey, USA, and Zambia):
62% reported having been raped in prostitution. 73% reported having experienced physical assault in prostitution. 72% were currently or formerly homeless. 92% stated that they wanted to escape prostitution immediately. (Melissa Farley, Isin Baral, Merab Kiremire, Ufuk Sezgin, "Prostitution in Five Countries: Violence and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder" (1998) Feminism & Psychology 8 (4): 405-426)
A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher than the national average. ( Special Committee on Pornography and Prostitution, 1985, Pornography and Prostitution in Canada 350.) In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides reported by hospitals. (Letter from Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Jan 6, 1993, cited by Phyllis Chesler in "A Woman's Right to Self-Defense: the case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," in Patriarchy: Notes of an Expert Witness, 1994, Common Courage Press, Monroe, Maine.)
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These facts are excerpted with permission from the Prostitution Fact Sheet, compiled by Melissa Farley, at the Prostitution Research & Education site, www.prostitutionresearch.com
Those are the very reason my wife works 20 hrs OT a week and it's only getting worse.
By the way those stats do include in call agencies and rubs n' tugs.