Green Party: Good for Canada?

[Mowich]

If the Green party was serious about their future they should dump Ms May as leader or if Ms May cared about the future of the party then she should resign.

You are absoluetely right, liberalman.

May, IMHO, is the biggest hurdle the party has to overcome if they wish to be seen as a credible political party, federally.

Is may in your riding? If not, then why do you care so much about her? Look at it this way. If the only Green Party andidates to make it to the House are those with critical minds, and you think May does not have one (honestly, I don't know her as well as I did my local Green candidate), then I'd have to assume maybe she wouldn't win a seat and so the party leader would change anyway. So what's the issue? Will you vote in a total maroon from another party over an intelligent Green Party member because you don't like the party leader?

Like it or not, Machjo, the leader is the 'face' of the party and the main spokesperson, so they have a huge influence over the public's perception of a party. May is a liability.

 

[AnnaG]

As we approach the autumn months, with some Ottawa observers speculating that the next general election may be just over the horizon, Ms. Elizabeth May O.C., the Leader of the Green Party, is campaigning hard to win support for her party. Ms. May’s work is particularly interesting now, given that recent reports by EKOS Research indicates that the Green Party would probably gain its first two seats in the House of Commons were a vote held today.
Do you think that it would benefit Canada to have Green Party representation in Parliament?

Nope.
Parties are a bane to Canada.

 

[Machjo]

Ms May decided to take on the the one of the top dogs of the Conservative party Peter MacKay who has represented his riding well and has proven to be a hard worker for the voters of his riding. I call that real stupid for a leader of a political party to do.

She could have run in a green rich riding of a lesser known candidate but she didn't so for this reason she has to go.

The Green party needs a leader and Ms May is not the one.

Once the Green party gets serious about their party then they can move on until that happens they are just stuck in a rut.

Are you a member of the Green Party? I'm not, so as such I have no say in who the leader is, and frankly that's the party's business. However, between May and MacKay, it will be up to the locals to decide which is the best candidate for their riding. And since I know neither candidate so well, I'd have to learn more about each before making a decision, but again in the end it's the lcoal riding that decides. His or her party affiliations are irrelevant.

You are absoluetely right, liberalman.

May, IMHO, is the biggest hurdle the party has to overcome if they wish to be seen as a credible political party, federally.

Is may in your riding? If not, then why do you care so much about her? Look at it this way. If the only Green Party andidates to make it to the House are those with critical minds, and you think May does not have one (honestly, I don't know her as well as I did my local Green candidate), then I'd have to assume maybe she wouldn't win a seat and so the party leader would change anyway. So what's the issue? Will you vote in a total maroon from another party over an intelligent Green Party member because you don't like the party leader?

Like it or not, Machjo, the leader is the 'face' of the party and the main spokesperson, so they have a huge influence over the public's perception of a party. May is a liability.

She's only a liability in her own riding. Last federal election, I cast a blank ballot for none of the above, but second in line was in fact the Green party candidate (and now that I think back on it, I think I was too harsh on him and should have voted for him), and I can tell you that Ms May played no role in that. Replace Ms. May with my local Green candidate last election, and there is no guarantee I'd vote for her next election, even though if it's the same candidate next election, maybe I will vote for him next time. So if he stays here and May stays away, that party might get my vote next election... sort of, though really it would be my candidate and not the party in my mind (I think the money given to the party for each vote makes it harder for me to vote too unless I really like that candidate since I don't feel comfortable with my money going to a party I'm not a member of, and so if he's a party member I have to really really like him or I feel compelled to cast a blank ballot, which might explain that blank ballot too last election). But if he becomes the party leader and decides to move to another riding and May comes to this riding, there is no guarantee I'd vote for her.

So as you can see, the party leader really is a very secondary matter. Put CPC member Scott Reid in this riding, and he would give the Green candidate last year a run for my vote. My current CPC Mp was the worst candidate last election. As you can see, the party leader plays little role in all of this.

Nope.
Parties are a bane to Canada.

Very much agreed. It causes people to vote in absolute maroons because they like the party logo or the party name or the party colours or the party leader, etc. rather than anything of substance.

Just another example of how party politics are ruining Canada, had all the candidate in my riding last election run as independents, chances are very likely that the Green candidate would have won. In fact, in the all-candidates debate, he was the most impressive. I'd even heard some hard core conservatives say the CPC member was a total maroon but they'd vote for him because they were voting for the party. A perfect example there of how party politics are ruining this country.

I have to admit though that one thing that turns me off Ms May is her insistence on running all over the country. This also reveals her placing too much importance on the party leader. Does she believe that all the Green Party members other than herself are not qualified to run? Why does the party not simply let a local candidate run? Is her party that leader-centred?

 

[Liberalman]

Are you a member of the Green Party? I'm not, so as such I have no say in who the leader is, and frankly that's the party's business. However, between May and MacKay, it will be up to the locals to decide which is the best candidate for their riding. And since I know neither candidate so well, I'd have to learn more about each before making a decision, but again in the end it's the lcoal riding that decides. His or her party affiliations are irrelevant.

I guess you never read the OP Machjo.

You don't have to be a member of a party to have an opinion and I guess you don't know too much about politics and the voters did decide and they didn't elect Ms May

His or her party affiliations are irrelevant.

To the voters in the riding it is

 

[Tonington]

The Green Party is not good for anybody.

Fascist.

 

[GreenFish66]

In my opinion the Green Party is the only party that seems to actually stand for anything of importance..They have a good platform with good values, have a great position , know where they stand , and where they are going .( Although like any political party there is always room for improvement inorder to clear out all the B.S) .

If it were up to me, the Government house would be made up of two parties....THE Greens and the Conservatives ..They are the only two parties Canada really needs to ensure good governance and proper representation ....Either that or we should change to P.R ...Proportional representation ...% of votes recieved = Percentage of seats in house..

Elizabeth May is a Fair Green Leader with great commincation skills ,however I don't believe she has what it takes to lead the Greens to Capital Hill.....I would be more in favour of Mike Nagy leading the way ...

I am an independent voter .. I vote Green ... Go greens ...

 

[JLM]

The Green Party is not good for anybody.

You might be right, they're a one song band. They will kill industry and what about their fiscal skills? The "Green" aspect is good, so one their wizards could run as a Liberal or a Conservative so we still get the benefit in Government.

 

[Tonington]

You might be right, they're a one song band. They will kill industry and what about their fiscal skills? The "Green" aspect is good, so one their wizards could run as a Liberal or a Conservative so we still get the benefit in Government.

So, if you have a platform based on one ideology, then your party is no good for anyone? That effectively rules out:

Conservatives, Liberals, Separtists, leaving us the NDP. A one party state.

Hurray....

 

[GreenFish66]

You might be right, they're a one song band. They will kill industry and what about their fiscal skills? The "Green" aspect is good, so one their wizards could run as a Liberal or a Conservative so we still get the benefit in Government.

Kill industry ?...You mean reform industry to more fair and sustainable practises...There are Green parties in other countries ...Countries who do quite well.. However ..They would never be good as the ONLY party ...Nor would any ..It's all about balance, fair play and sustainability..

A new name for the "new"," Greener" Party of Canada that I would promote and vote for would be called "The New Democratic Green Party "

 

[The Old Medic]

Sure it's good for Canada. The more parties there are, the less effective government can be, the more chaos reigns and the more the professional government workers get to control every aspect of your life.

 

[GreenFish66]

The light is Green , the future is clear ..Green/CleanTech is now...It is the future..

 

[JLM]

So, if you have a platform based on one ideology, then your party is no good for anyone? That effectively rules out:

Conservatives, Liberals, Separtists, leaving us the NDP. A one party state.

Hurray....

Realistically either the Liberals or the Conservatives will Govern for the next 100 years. They are both fairly moderate close to centre of the spectrum private enterprize parties. We sure as hell don't want to jump from the frying pan into the fire. Let's see what the Greens can do on a provincial basis before getting all excited about them federally.

 

[Tonington]

I'm not getting excited about them, I'm simply pondering why you would agree with Jack. Surely there are people in Canada who support them, and surely they deserve representation. All of the mainstream parties can be identified as having a core ideology, and the platforms they run on stem from that.

See for yourself instead of guessing at what their economic plank might look like:
Vision Green | Green Party of Canada

 

[GreenFish66]

The Left will either have to merge ...Or we need to reform the house by moving to a P.R. system of governance...Or the stalemate will continue indefinetly .. Non effective Minority government's will continue ....Although I would argue it really doesn't matter in the end who runs the country ..None seems to listen to , or give too poo's what the people think ..Same ol' same ol' B.S. No matter who Attempts to lead...I vote Green cause at least they have a cause..And a good platform to stand on ..

 

[JLM]

I'm not getting excited about them, I'm simply pondering why you would agree with Jack. Surely there are people in Canada who support them, and surely they deserve representation. All of the mainstream parties can be identified as having a core ideology, and the platforms they run on stem from that.

See for yourself instead of guessing at what their economic plank might look like:
Vision Green | Green Party of Canada

I would agree with Y.J. simply because they haven't proven themselves anywhere in Canada yet. Y.J. and I have close to a century and a half between us & we just aren't easily fooled by these "Johnny Come Latelies". Anyone can write a platform -talk is cheap. :smile:

 

[Tonington]

I would agree with Y.J. simply because they haven't proven themselves anywhere in Canada yet.

They get close to 10% of the voters, they've obviously proved themselves to some...Jack said they are not good for anybody. Well hundreds of thousands disagree.

talk is cheap

Yes, which is why I gave you a link to their website. You seemed to be talking about them without knowing anything about them. :smile:

 

[JLM]

They get close to 10% of the voters, they've obviously proved themselves to some...Jack said they are not good for anybody. Well hundreds of thousands disagree.




:smile:

Wow 10% and I'll bet 9 of those were only by people who considered them to be less subversive than the other parties.

 

[Tonington]

If that's how you vote, then that's how you vote. Doesn't change my opinion that downplaying others' democratic choice as worthless is fascist.

 

[JLM]

If that's how you vote, then that's how you vote. Doesn't change my opinion that downplaying others' democratic choice as worthless is fascist.

You've lost me.

 

[Bar Sinister]

i hand in blank ballots , cause i hate them all equally. people say thats not voting but i think it is, because they count spoiled ballots

Since cash is handed out to all parties partly based on the number of people who vote for them, no vote is entirely wasted. You might want to consider voting for an obscure party just to annoy the others.