Soaring costs force Canada to reassess health model

[Bar Sinister]

It looks to me as if Old Medic is in the embarrassing situation of defending a broken system by attacking a system that works better in spite of its flaws. His position is made even worse by relying too much on anecdotal evidence provided by such sources as Fox News and the US health insurance industry.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

No, you don't have the same medical care available from one area of Canada to another. Not even remotely close to that "ideal".

I don’t think any country in the world has that, are you claiming that USA does? The big difference is that in Canada, quality, availability of health care varies from region to region. In USA, it varies from region to region and also depends upon the person’s ability to pay.

If somebody can afford the Cadillac health care plan, he gets the best possible medical care in the world. If somebody cannot afford insurance, he is out of luck; he gets the worst possible care in the developed world.

 

[JLM]

Did someone actually say that Canadians enjoy uniform health care from coast to coast to coast? They obviously haven't traveled much if they think that. Another possibility is that Old Medic is crafting a straw man to whack...

Is there one country in the world where you would, or where you would want to? Would you really expect to find a neuro surgeon in Inuvik?

 

[Tonington]

Is there one country in the world where you would, or where you would want to? Would you really expect to find a neuro surgeon in Inuvik?

Maybe small countries, Luxembourg perhaps? Even then I doubt it. I lived in the NWT and what is now Nunavut. My brother had to taken to Edmonton for a surgery. If we had private medicine, I wouldn't expect to find specialists up there either. There wouldn't be much money to be made for a population so small and so sparse.

 

[JLM]

Maybe small countries, Luxembourg perhaps? Even then I doubt it. I lived up North. My brother had to taken to Edmonton for a surgery. If we had private medicine, I wouldn't expect to find specialists up there either. There wouldn't be much money to be made for a population so small and so sparse.

Well, that's just it, the services have to be concentrated according to need. You would expect to find specialists in populated centres, BUT one problem that is pressing is lack of G.P.s in rural areas. I personally believe that as soon a doctor becomes a full fledged doctor he should be required to serve where the need is for his first three years. That way everyone would be covered and the "burden" would be fairly distributed among all G.P.s :smile:

 

[L Gilbert]

I don’t think any country in the world has that, are you claiming that USA does? The big difference is that in Canada, quality, availability of health care varies from region to region. In USA, it varies from region to region and also depends upon the person’s ability to pay.

Quit thinking then, you aren't very good at it. Switzerland's health care is pretty uniform. I'm pretty sure that France, Italy, etc. also have quite uniform health care.
Poor lil Joey; always has to relate everything to the USA. Pathetic.

If somebody can afford the Cadillac health care plan, he gets the best possible medical care in the world. If somebody cannot afford insurance, he is out of luck; he gets the worst possible care in the developed world.

Prove that puddle of cow diarrhea, please. Come on, Joey, put your googling where your overly active mouth is.

 

[Liberalman]

TORONTO (Reuters) – Pressured by an
aging population and the need to rein in budget deficits, Canada's provinces are taking tough measures to curb [COLOR=#366388 !important][COLOR=#366388 !important]healthcare [COLOR=#366388 !important]costs[/COLOR][/COLOR][/COLOR], a trend that could erode the principles of the popular state-funded system.


Ontario, Canada's most populous province, kicked off a fierce battle with drug companies and pharmacies when it said earlier this year it would halve generic drug prices and eliminate "incentive fees" to
generic drug manufacturers.

Soaring costs force Canada to reassess health model - Yahoo! News

Looks like your having the same high costs for medical care that we in the U.S. have.

These drug stores should suffer for deceiving their customers.

They were getting kick backs from the drug makers and they were giving the customer more services like drug alert and more 24 hour service neglecting to tell us that they were charging more on the generic drugs,it make sense now.

With more of the population retiring and getting more sick they need more drugs.
Because of the federal government's broken promises like income trusts and the recession where mutual funds saving have been reduced significantly and because Canadian pensions do not pay that much a lot of the older generation are on fixed incomes so they are budgeting more to make sure ends meet.

It got to the point where seniors had to make a choice between medicine or food and all this time the fat cat drug store owners were just gouging these people and they pretended to care.

It's nice to see that the government listened to the people and actually did something about it.

I am sure that CARP or the Canadian Association of Retired People put a lot of pressure on the government as well.

I remember the time when Brian Mulroney tried to reduce the Canada Pension when he was in power and his own mother disowned him which means that the politicians who made this change were getting complaints from voters and their elderly family members.

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Maybe small countries, Luxembourg perhaps? Even then I doubt it. I lived in the NWT and what is now Nunavut. My brother had to taken to Edmonton for a surgery. If we had private medicine, I wouldn't expect to find specialists up there either. There wouldn't be much money to be made for a population so small and so sparse.

You won’t get specialists up there even in a private system. However, in a private system, if you had the Cadillac plan, you would be rushed out of there in no time and taken to the specialist and to the hospital, in a fully equipped plane or a fully equipped ambulance (whichever is quicker).

If you were indigent, had no insurance, well, the treatment given to you would depend upon what is available. That may sometimes result in the death of the indigent.

 

[L Gilbert]

You won’t get specialists up there even in a private system. However, in a private system, if you had the Cadillac plan, you would be rushed out of there in no time and taken to the specialist and to the hospital, in a fully equipped plane or a fully equipped ambulance (whichever is quicker).

If you were indigent, had no insurance, well, the treatment given to you would depend upon what is available. That may sometimes result in the death of the indigent.

Funny. I remember you saying that there's nothing wrong with Canada's health care. So it's ok with you if the odd indigent dies needlessly. <Edited expletive>

 

[Tonington]

You won’t get specialists up there even in a private system. However, in a private system, if you had the Cadillac plan, you would be rushed out of there in no time and taken to the specialist and to the hospital, in a fully equipped plane or a fully equipped ambulance (whichever is quicker).

If you were indigent, had no insurance, well, the treatment given to you would depend upon what is available. That may sometimes result in the death of the indigent.

Yes, I believe I already said that it wouldn't be attractive for a specialist in a private system. And I believe you already said something about Cadillac plans versus those who cannot afford.

Anything new to add?

 

[SirJosephPorter]

Yes, I believe I already said that it wouldn't be attractive for a specialist in a private system. And I believe you already said something about Cadillac plans versus those who cannot afford.

Anything new to add?

I thought I added plenty new in my post.

 

[AnnaG]

Yes, I believe I already said that it wouldn't be attractive for a specialist in a private system. And I believe you already said something about Cadillac plans versus those who cannot afford.

Anything new to add?

Perhaps if we played the tape backwards it might sound new?

I thought I added plenty new in my post.

lol Quit thinking then. It obviously doesn't work for you.