Are delicatessans a ripoff?

VanIsle

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The rotisserie is just for show and the reason they look golden and roasted is paprika.
No it isn't. They go in raw. All across Save On stores you hear a huge bell go off which means the chickens are cooked! They are cooked on a timer and to a specific temperature. Believe me - there is only two little microwave oven's in the whole store I worked at. Microwaved meat is tough and those chickens are anything but tough. SOM makes a great meat pie as well and it's not from left over chicken because it's all breast meat and they run out of chickens everyday anyway. This time of the year they cannot eve keep up with demand.
 

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Interesting reading indeed, obviously people replying with grocery/meat experience, and it's nice to
learn exactly what does happen to 'stuff'.

I do believe that the stores make sure they 'toss' anything that is hitting expiry, they don't want
to make anyone sick, or get sued, but it sure shows us, how wealthy and wasteful we are in this country,
as we produce so much more food than we need.

My grandaughter lived in the phillipines for a couple of months, and had some interesting stories to tell.
Nothing awful, just different than canada. Markets with everything fresh, no additives, nothing artificial,
simple fresh, and sold quickly, and not much waste at all, as there isn't much overload of quantities, at
least, that she noticed.

She ate lots of wierd things, (wierd to us), but she said she ate everything they ate, and got use to it.
They eat lots of goat, and many dishes made from goat meat, soup etc.

The waste here is shameful.
 

JLM

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Interesting reading indeed, obviously people replying with grocery/meat experience, and it's nice to
learn exactly what does happen to 'stuff'.

The waste here is shameful.

Yes it is. Close to 40 years ago now we were doing some work for the new Highway near Woss Lake and spent a couple of weeks staying in the logging camp. I believe Thursday night was "Steak night". Well, I watched this big behemoth load three huge steaks on his plate, then sat down took a bite and said "tough", got up walked over to the garbage can and dumped them. The memory of that is just as vivid to this day for a guy like me who grew up in a house where the fat the sausages were cooked in wouldn't be dumped if there was any way it could be recycled. Between waste and greed, they're going to do us in eventually.
 

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Anybody there been to a real Jewish Kosher Deli.? (similar to the ones found in New York City) Very expensive, but worth every penny.
 

petros

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No it isn't. They go in raw. All across Save On stores you hear a huge bell go off which means the chickens are cooked! They are cooked on a timer and to a specific temperature. Believe me - there is only two little microwave oven's in the whole store I worked at. Microwaved meat is tough and those chickens are anything but tough. SOM makes a great meat pie as well and it's not from left over chicken because it's all breast meat and they run out of chickens everyday anyway. This time of the year they cannot eve keep up with demand.
Oh cool. I was waiting for your input and I have learned something new today. So they have taken the marketing to the next level and are attacking the olfactory. I admire that but even if it smells good I'm not buying a bird that has been ran over by a truck or were once roosters. j/k
 

VanIsle

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Oh cool. I was waiting for your input and I have learned something new today. So they have taken the marketing to the next level and are attacking the olfactory. I admire that but even if it smells good I'm not buying a bird that has been ran over by a truck or were once roosters. j/k
Olfactory! Let me tell you - once you have smelled several of those go through the till near dinner time - I don't know about other people, but they certainly do not appeal to my sense of smell then. In fact, this is a little off the wall but I used to wonder who let loose with the trapped gas until I finally figured out it was the cooked chickens I was smelling. 8O:lol:
If you look at those chickens in any store, they are all the same size, they are all tender and they are all cooked the same. Run over would mean broken bones and those chickens are whole. They are not roosters!

No, real head cheese made from the meat off the head of the pig is beautiful, a real delicacy. It can be addicting though.
First you have to get past the look and the name. You can have my share JLM. ;-)
 

talloola

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I love barbecued chickens, don't buy them often, but once in a while they do the trick for
a quick supper-snack.
They smell good, taste good, and seems like they have been cooked in a good way, tender, meat
melts in the mouth.
 

Bar Sinister

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Such merchants are quite rare in Western Canada. If there were more of them I would not mind shopping at one. After all no one forces me to do so. I enjoyed shopping at the small stores in Italy. It was a refreshing change from the giant supermarkets that characterize most shopping areas.
 

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Such merchants are quite rare in Western Canada. If there were more of them I would not mind shopping at one. After all no one forces me to do so. I enjoyed shopping at the small stores in Italy. It was a refreshing change from the giant supermarkets that characterize most shopping areas.

They are in every major grocery store. :smile:
 

JLM

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Or mark it down for clearance with the 'expiry' highlighted.... like they do in many stores. Or freeze it and mark it clearance, like happens too. I buy plenty of clearance items like that. I didn't realize no one else ever sees them.

One thing that really baffles me is meat that is labelled "previously frozen" or "thawed for your convenience"- what kind of bullsh*t is that? Of course I never buy it.
 

petros

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Quoting Risus Sorry, but real head cheese is disgusting.
No, real head cheese made from the meat off the head of the pig is beautiful, a real delicacy. It can be addicting though.
LMAO...head cheese was given the name head cheese because you use what floats to the top when boiling pork hocks and forms a head like a head of beer.

It contains no pig noggin at all.
 

karrie

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LMAO...head cheese was given the name head cheese because you use what floats to the top when boiling pork hocks and forms a head like a head of beer.

It contains no pig noggin at all.


traditional versus store bought I suppose, but, grandma's used to be the boiled head of a pig.
 

JLM

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traditional versus store bought I suppose, but, grandma's used to be the boiled head of a pig.

You're right, Karrie, I know because I ate some head cheese that came right off the head of the hog, years ago. My Dad did some work for a farmer neighbour who happened to be butchering a pig at the time, and she asked Dad if he was interested in the head and he said definitely and took it home and made the most delicious head cheese I've ever tasted. I wish he'd written down the recipe and procedure- I could probably be a millionaire today by selling it to delicatessans.


P.S. I just googled the recipe..................Head Cheese Recipe
 

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With half the world having a problem getting enough to eat, throwing food in the garbage for virtually any reason is inexcusable if not "criminal". Food doesn't just all of a sudden reach it's expiry date without anyone noticing. With steaks and roasts priced at $6-$10 lb. it's no bloody wonder some of it reaches the expiry date. The cause of this is just plain unadulterated greed. If it was sold at a reasonable price, it would likely all be sold and the profits would be approximately the same. Maybe a couple of days before the expiry date, someone could maybe hustle it over to the jails and hospitals while it is still safe to eat.

Then of course the companies that provide you with the convenience of having these products easily available to you will have some very hefty profit losses that will eventually lead to your local grocery store shutting down.

Nothing is chucked out until it expires.... either by date or by simply smelling/looking at them. Most expiry dates are very accurate I have found and it is usually on the expiry date that most meat products go bad and are not decent for eating.

Dented cans, expired food products, etc. are tossed in the garbage simply because the business does not want the liability of giving someone tainted food products that can cause health issues, which would eventually lead to them being sued.

The best these companies can do to try and clear out the "Close to Expiry" products is reduce their costs between 25% and 50% so people will buy them before they expire...... these reductions are usually a means of trying to break even, rather then have a total loss of profit that leads to an expense.

If they just handed off these products to a prison or homeless shelter before they expire and waste two or three days where they could have gained a profit from selling them..... and they did this every day or once a week..... no business would last, they'd go bankrupt and you wouldn't have the luxury of having a grocery store close by to get your food.

Don't forget these businesses need to spend money to get the products on their shelves for you to buy..... if nobody buys them and they expire, then they lose money.

That is why when I was working at Sobeys in my younger years, they were very particular with making sure we knew what to order when and how much. As I said before.... it was very rare that my department would have anything to toss out that expired and at worst.... would be maybe one or two fish..... out of hundreds/thousands we sold that week.

That's pretty good product conservation in my opinion.

Think of it this way:

You have a friend who comes along and says they don't have any money until Friday, but was wondering if you could go and pick them up a couple of pounds of hamburger for them and they'd pay you back on Friday. You pick up the hamburger, pay out of your own pocket and take it back to your home and put it in the fridge until your friend comes on Friday to pay you and get it.

Friday comes around and your friend says they no longer want it or they don't have the money to pay you.

To keep this in relation to the Grocery Stores, you have three choices

• Try and find someone else who might buy it off you at a reduced price and try and get some of your money back
• To give the hamburger away to someone who could really use it
• Or let it sit in your fridge until it rots and then toss it out.

Two of these options leave you with a loss of your money.

Now picture doing this day in and day out..... continually purchasing products to sell to other people, people not buying them off you, you being stuck with this product and continually losing out on money and profit.

Would you not try and keep the product for as long as possible in order to have the off chance of getting some of your money back by selling it to someone at the last minute, if possible?

Or would you just continually give this stuff all away a couple of days before they expire so you can pat yourself on the back thinking you did something good?

Sure it's noble...... but I sure as hell couldn't keep doing that..... and many of these grocery stores can't either.

Sure..... they're big companies, that make all kinds of money every year and they should be able to do this without any problems, but many of these companies, such as Sobeys, already donate annually to local food banks and they provide fresh/new products to them..... so that's already a loss to them for the sake of generosity (but also a tax deductible thing I imagine as well)

But add on top of that the mere giving away of products for free two-three days before they expire and losing out of potential days where those products could have been bought.......

Businesses are in business to make a profit..... if they make no profit and in fact, end up continually facing profit losses..... exactly what's the point of running the business in the first place?

Why even try?

Another problem is that if they did just give away these products two-three days before they expire..... then you'd end up with vulture customers waiting until their products are near expiry, then rush into the store and try to argue that they should get the product for free...... Afterall, they give the products away for free to others (Prisons, Food Banks, Homeless Shelters) so why not them? :-?
 
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karrie

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You're right, Karrie, I know because I ate some head cheese that came right off the head of the hog, years ago. My Dad did some work for a farmer neighbour who happened to be butchering a pig at the time, and she asked Dad if he was interested in the head and he said definitely and took it home and made the most delicious head cheese I've ever tasted. I wish he'd written down the recipe and procedure- I could probably be a millionaire today by selling it to delicatessans.

From what I can recall, Grandma cleaned it out (brains, eyes, etc), then salt rubbed it and roasted it. The meat then got peeled off, chopped up, and the skull was boiled into stock. the meat was added, and the whole mixture poured into whatever you want it in to gelatinize. I imagine it would be even better if you were to smoke the head along with the hams, etc. then do it.
 

petros

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traditional versus store bought I suppose, but, grandma's used to be the boiled head of a pig.
That's a myth. There is no marrow in a noggin to make it gel you have to use hocks. You can add meat from any part of the body like the noggin but without hocks you just get soup.