Israel 'attacks' Gaza aid fleet
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Agreed.
They don't have to abolish Hamas or even vote them out. If Hamas is willing to play along, that's great. If Hamas attacks Israel, after Israel withdraws all restrictions, then the world will see who the true criminals are. Although I sadly believe that we will be right back at square one, with people believing "Israel did it". Which is why I add the caveat that Israel should cease its practice of indiscriminate retaliatory strikes.
I could support that idea too.
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If you take away the excuses for the battle the battle ends quickly.
It's all just a matter of time before we are all equally screwed anyway so may as well enjoy a littler bit of peace while it lasts.
Both factions are complete and total idiots playing the blame game.
No compromise, none at all eh. Your true colours are showing.
Yes, of course I would. One simply has to do the math to realize that the numbers don't add up to the hype.
Will I agree that Israel has acted egregiously wrong in many cases? Yes. Committed atrocities? Yes. Are Barbaric in a general condemnation? Absolutely not.
For one, their country is a free and democratic state. Where Arab and Jews, and Druze and Christian live side by side and free, alike. Where the state does not assault the citizenry for breaches of "moral ideologies".
Whereas Hamas, has evoked Sharia law, a system of brutal suppression and attacked it's own citizens in the name of ideological control. You can visit HRW's own website and view all the facts if you like. I already posted the link.
Irrational, unreasonable, and ignorant people lead to genocide, look at DB.
I agree 100% with you're entire post!
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wrong. give me a news source of Hamas commiting an atrocious act and i'll give you 2 by Israel.
absolutely. there is a reason more than half the world is condemning israel. it's their repeatedly inhumane actions they have perpetrated against the Palestinian people.
and their military are a bunch of deranged barbarians that enjoy killing people for the fun of it.
There is another major issue that really needs to be addressed and that is aid and it applies to both sides.
If there is to be a flow of donated goods and cash, then aid should only go for things like health care, schooling and social developement.
More importantly the source of the aid needs to be regulated on both sides or it should be pooled and used by designated legitimate aid groups.
A huge portion of the problems in Irael and Palestine stem from the radicals like those in Syria, Iran and our homegrown whack jobs like the 50 million blood thirsty Christian Zionists who bank roll settlement developement to egg on a full blown war.
Crippling this funding will do far more good and do it far quicker than any sanctions or peace agreement.
If there is to be a flow of donated goods and cash, then aid should only go for things like health care, schooling and social developement.
More importantly the source of the aid needs to be regulated on both sides or it should be pooled and used by designated legitimate aid groups.
A huge portion of the problems in Irael and Palestine stem from the radicals like those in Syria, Iran and our homegrown whack jobs like the 50 million blood thirsty Christian Zionists who bank roll settlement developement to egg on a full blown war.
Crippling this funding will do far more good and do it far quicker than any sanctions or peace agreement.
I already posted a link to Human Rights Watch. And I already conceded that Israel has committed atrocities. Jeezus, do you have a comprehension issue?
Mob rule does not always make sense, nor is it always right. Hence why we have republics and rules of law. Of which has already been established, that Israel did not break in this case.
I must ask in all serious, if the world disagreed with your position, would that make you wrong?
Yes, which is why only nine out of well over a thousand died in the flotilla. Which is why in over 60 years of war, the death toll is well under half a million, both sides collectively.
Again, reality is not your strong suit. Your extremism betrays you.
100% agree. But redundant if Israel should lift the blockade, there would be no checks and balances, and all aid could cross unhindered. It wouldn't really be aid anymore, but simply trade.
Again, an excellent idea.
Again, agreed.
Agreed, somewhat. But what you have suggested, legitimizes the Israeli blockade.
That actually seems to be even more than they are asking for. They might not even demand the blockade or the inspections be lifted for what are obviously weapons, after arming their police force. The changes that they (and the blockade runners) is food and materials for civilian support facilities.
On the other hand withe the 4 fishermen being gunned-down by the same commandos that were on the Mavi Marmara, that means their boats also have to leave the area.
Who would be the nations donating troops to supervise that arrival of the goods until the UN delivers them to the people themselves and who could also act as the swat team for Hamas if/when they need the extra fire-power. Handguns and low velocity rounds (so they can't pass through more than one body). An over abundance of supplies and materials would take every body mind off the things that still need to be worked out. If Hamas wants Israel destroyed the closest they are going to come to achieving that is through the ICC where the complaint can be lodged without any interference. Since sending people into exile is a war crime the only change that endless court cases would resullt in would be the voting right for Israel would now include all the Palestinians that are still in exile. How many of the 5.5 million are voting age Im not sure but it could influence who is sitting as the ruling Government.
I wouldn't swear to this as being a designed thing, but having Arabs living in Israel should be a deterent to Arabs blowing things up, same thing for allowing Jews to keep their land in Gaza and the West Bank (1947 and prior) accomplished the same goal, the IDF could not attack without putting their own people in danger.
On your 'cat-fishing trips' (or trips to the cabin) the weight you pack in compared to what ends up being taken back out as garbage (or destroyed) takes up a certain amount of the weight being pack in as food. (this is the most important topic that i 'disagree with at the moment, other than the NK being given a more active role in world events so she can become a 'productive member' of the region. They would certainly be able protect the harbors from rouge subs.) Doing good is the way we recognize a change when a 'bad boy' goes 'good'.
If they are too stubborn for sanctions to be an effective method of bringing about change (according to a recent press-release by the US) then getting them involved with somebody they have something in common with is the only other method. Withe every stick/carrot ploy ever made the carrot eventually is taken as the prise, we have a tendency to take it away no matter how long it is followed. Keep it up and sooner or later they will do something to make the holder drop the whole stick and they won't allow it to be. The North Koreans are the best choice as they have no idea what a "Jew" even is, let alone. At the service level industry, perhaps the wives and kids of the Foreign troops could help in the day-to-day. Hard to expose them to that and then say they can't have the same back home.
In creating that place the world, the richest nations, became responsible for the financing. Our out is that we were commissioned to make something happen that was not our idea, the request came from Lord Rothschild in 1880, that is when he started throwing his money into the project, nobody else was working to that end. That he was buying land in secret attests to a person interest and now it is time to caught the rest of the coin to make it a reality, not according to the original demands buy to what the Balfour Declaration and UN 181 envisioned as it was British blood that was split in helping that to come about.
I've also heart a rumor that the Rothschild family just bought the whole of Madagascar and are moving themselves and all their 'best friends' down there for a permanent vacation. The soon to be released article also indicates they wish to donate all their holding to a common bank to be used by the Gentiles to repair not only the mess they created in the Holy Land (just had to try playing God didn't ya) , but the rest of the world also. No immediate plans for the other $450 T. The oddest thing about the whole thing is this odd ending statement. "It is better to catch a 'catfish' than to be a caught 'catfish'" No idea what that means, anyone want to take a guess, even a wild one.
you're the ONLY one with comprehension issues. you're insinuating that Hamas have contributed substantially more horrendous acts than Israel, and that's false.
Except many of the people condemning Israel aren't just a bunch of uneducated citizens or deranged anti-semites. They're leaders of countries and allies of Israel.
More than 9 people died, in fact I think Israel ended up conceding 10 , others saying as many as 19 people died. And only 600 people were on the Flotilla not over 1000. And that death toll is way too high considering no one should have died , it was a humanitarian ship going to deliver aid to Gaza.
Throw so much money at Hamas (clean, no strings) that they cannot be bribed. Some race-horse owners bribe jockeys to make sure a race turns out a certain way. The smart ones bribe their own jockeys to NOT throw the race
Of course, because unlike you, I actually want peace and justice.
Dishonesty, only halts the peace process. Calling 5.5 million people exiles, when less then one million left after the Arabs warned them to, is completely dishonest and the biggest part of my problem with the majority of you people.
Even uttering it is puerile and stupid.
The rest of your post is an almost incoherent ramble of BS, so it doesn't require responding to.
The 'missing ones' could be Israeli spies unless they have a long and verifiable background.
Of course it's false. which is why I haven't said it. Thus making this another example of your severe comprehension issues.
Your point?
Are you going to answer my question? I answered yours.
So 10 it is, or 19, hell lets go with a hundred. Although a great tragedy, out of a 600 (I stand corrected*), a massacre does not make. Especially considering the fact that it was legally justifiable.
Don't take my word for it, here's an expert on International Law.
* Notice how I conceded to provable fact, you should try that sometime.
I think you need some fresh tinfoil.
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Do you always respond to things that aren't worth responding to? The action you are looking for is called 'glossing over and moving on'. It wasn't meant for you specifically as my next post will show.
I didn't do a head-count but at 700,000 left in blackout conditions are going to have babies. Use the data from NY,NY and Montreal, CND blackouts and see what the increase was over the rate when the light were on. 65 years later that is the number of Arabs that should be returning home or at least voting in the next election. In a democracy both sides want the same things. Segregation is not the best way to have two people end up living together, the blending is an alternative to what we did with the reservations as that didn't turn out all that well for either side. The immigrants form their own reservations just by the way they settle here, everybody says inn their own little groups. That is just a continuation of previous problems back in the various homelands. The UN documents would have been a large change if they were followed to the letter, as it is they weren't and here we are.
No sense making the place too grand as Christ has His own vision of what things will look like. Instead of a temple might I suggest work taking a 7 year break and turn weapons of war into useful tools. The Bible does predict that for the Jews, when He wants it done it is Gentiles at the forge. I would suggest the verse below but I think 'alright a BMF air-strike' probably comes to mind.
Eze:25:5:
And I will make Rabbah a stable for camels,
and the Ammonites a couchingplace for flocks:
and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
Something you and the rest of your cadre, are experts at.
Less then 700,000. As many have died over the years.
If I don't have a right to come and claim the land under your home, the descendants don't have the right to return to their grand parents. Give your head a shake. Why are teh Israeli's held to a different standard then the one you hold for yourself?
As it was, yes they were, one side instantly chose war, scared their own people off their land and have been at it ever since.
Again, dishonesty, halts the peace process.
Cram it God wad, your God crap holds no weight in reality. Neither does the Israeli's, and it's simply detrimental to a peaceful outcome.
It's more likely given your resistance to reality, that the issue is yours.
I insinuated nothing, I dismissed your asinine label of barbaric. As you try to apply it to Israel. In so doing, I cited reasons and facts as to why.
If this is far to difficult for you to grasp. try hanging around "The last one to post wins". It seems to be more your speed.
According to people who can't actually cite law. But to those that can, it is.
I see you can't answer my question...
Go figure. :roll:
One owner actually did that, I heard it on one of the "Now you know the rest of the story episodes"
The other things still have to be tackled at sometime. Fishing boats cannot go out past 3 miles these days. Canada allows a huge increase over that wile still being within the law and nobody is shooting at them. That is why giving more thann they ask for (useful items) would make smuggling non productive. Those beaches should be able to provide billions just on tourism. Nobody wants to take their family to a place where swimmers (AKA divers) are being gunned down. Who cares who gets the patrol rights as long as sharks are the only things being gunned down. Using NK is because it should not be any of the 33 countries that said Arabs should be protected and yet did nothing until a Nation that voted 'No' got the backing of the citizens of the world and now we have to do something to help them. Our biggest concern would be 'what's in it for us', this time the answer is nothing but the bill. We can pass it on to our boss and tell him to pay it, if we had any balls that is.
what's the law that allows armed militiary to fire upon humanitarians delivering aid