Harper soars on strength of economy

Machjo

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I don't blame you - a name like that is just a little too ostentatious to get my trust. :lol:

My lack of support for him has nothing to do with his name though:lol:

If his name was Adolf Mussolini, and he had good ideas, I'd still support him.
 

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My lack of support for him has nothing to do with his name though:lol:

If his name was Adolf Mussolini, and he had good ideas, I'd still support him.

I don't QUITE agree with that, if he had that name and was at all clever he'd change it before going into politics.............................:lol::lol::lol:
 

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I don't QUITE agree with that, if he had that name and was at all clever he'd change it before going into politics.............................:lol::lol::lol:

So he has no freedom to keep his name?

'Adolf', though not as popular today for obvious reason:lol: used to be a common name and is not unique to the Fuerer. And 'Mussolini' likewise is simply an Italian family name.

What's the issue with that?:lol:
 

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So he has no freedom to keep his name?

'Adolf', though not as popular today for obvious reason:lol: used to be a common name and is not unique to the Fuerer. And 'Mussolini' likewise is simply an Italian family name.

What's the issue with that?:lol:

Of course he has the freedom to keep his name, but I'm not so sure he'd have the freeedom to keep it AND be a successful politician in Canada. :lol::lol:
 

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I still don't get how these poll numbers show the CPC "soaring". Its the same realm they've been in for the past couple years: the only thing that has changed is the Liberals are down again.

I'd probably vote CPC in the next election but thats pretty much a moot point in Southern Alberta, where the contest would be more equal if they subracted 50% of the votes from the Tories.

I don't like what Harper did with appointing the whole whack of new senators, in the face of all the talk of senate reform. It may be the only way to make the changes he wants but it smacks of hypocracy to me. I really didn't like when he recruited and brought David Emerson across the floor and put him in cabinet. I thought he's been decent on the international stage, not spectacular but not the wet noodle Martin was and not the holier-than-thou @$$hole Chretien was. The deficit, I don't like it but I recognize it for what it is: a reaction to the world economic conditions and it would be just as high, if not higher with the other parties in power (if anything they said can be believed... I laughed when Iggy and Taliban Jack would attack the CPC for not doing enough to stimulate the economy then almost immediately decry the deficit created by stimulus spending...).

But then at the end of the day I am centrist: I honestly think the optimum Canadian gov't is a minority or small majority CPC gov't to correct for the past decade+ of left sliding Liberal rule.
 

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Liberals had three back to back majorities which meant the people felt they were doing what they were elected to do
 

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I still don't get how these poll numbers show the CPC "soaring". Its the same realm they've been in for the past couple years: the only thing that has changed is the Liberals are down again.

I'd probably vote CPC in the next election but thats pretty much a moot point in Southern Alberta, where the contest would be more equal if they subracted 50% of the votes from the Tories.

I don't like what Harper did with appointing the whole whack of new senators, in the face of all the talk of senate reform. It may be the only way to make the changes he wants but it smacks of hypocracy to me. I really didn't like when he recruited and brought David Emerson across the floor and put him in cabinet. I thought he's been decent on the international stage, not spectacular but not the wet noodle Martin was and not the holier-than-thou @$$hole Chretien was. The deficit, I don't like it but I recognize it for what it is: a reaction to the world economic conditions and it would be just as high, if not higher with the other parties in power (if anything they said can be believed... I laughed when Iggy and Taliban Jack would attack the CPC for not doing enough to stimulate the economy then almost immediately decry the deficit created by stimulus spending...).

But then at the end of the day I am centrist: I honestly think the optimum Canadian gov't is a minority or small majority CPC gov't to correct for the past decade+ of left sliding Liberal rule.

Or maybe you could learn from Quebec and just start an Alberta Party. It would not necessarily have to be a sovereignty party, but just a party that looks out for Alberta's interests. An Ontario Party might do some good too. Then there'd be no choice but for parties to form coalitions.
 

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Or maybe you could learn from Quebec and just start an Alberta Party. It would not necessarily have to be a sovereignty party, but just a party that looks out for Alberta's interests. An Ontario Party might do some good too. Then there'd be no choice but for parties to form coalitions.

The Reform party started as a western separatist party which included Manitoba, Sask. Alberta and BC.

Just remember that the architects of that party intertwines the Conservative party that is our government today.
 

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We all have to remember that Stephen Harper is kept in chains by our lord Jesus Christ and Stephen's lifelong quest to be on the right side of God in heaven.

The Conservative will prevail
 

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We all have to remember that Stephen Harper is kept in chains by our lord Jesus Christ and Stephen's lifelong quest to be on the right side of God in heaven.

The Conservative will prevail

Sadly, I have to agree with you, but, not that it's any huge accomplishment, he is head and shoulders above Ignatieff and Layton.
 

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It's too bad Ignatieff didn't work out and the Liberals don't have a more charismatic member like Trudeau, Mulroney or Harper because that's who the Canadian voter prefer.

The Conservatives are sending a message that Quebec will be dealt with an iron fist.

In essence Harper has written Quebec off which is their mistake.

The Liberals have to earn the trust of Quebec for them to get the majority and all they have to do is take on the Bloc the same way the NDP is taking shots at the Liberals.

Watch any political show in Canada when they have MPs from all three political parties. the Conservatives hardly talk because they got their NDP acting like a junkyard dog barking at the Liberals.

The Liberals have to do the same to the Bloc and show the people of Quebec that a Bloc vote is a wasted vote so Ignatieff has to think hard and decide what is more important being a working leader of the Liberal party or promoting his book.

Ignatieff better do it quickly before the Conservatives call an election because they may get the majority because they got the money and increasing poll in the Conservative favor and the most important God is on their side.
 
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wulfie68

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The Reform party started as a western separatist party which included Manitoba, Sask. Alberta and BC.

Just remember that the architects of that party intertwines the Conservative party that is our government today.

Wrong.

Reform was NEVER meant as a seperatist movement, rather it was born on the back of concern that Mulroney wasn't doing enough to tackle the debt and deficit (whilst he was trying to fix the constitutional mess). The motto of Reform was "the West wants in", referring to the fact that Trudeau had alienated westerners and Mulroney had taken for granted to a point that they had no voice in Ottawa. The socially conservative elements of the Reform platform never played well in Eastern Canada, but they started the "get rid of the debt and deficit" bandwagon before Chretien and Martin acknowledged it as an issue.