... Just not Harper?
He's not in my riding, so he won't even be on my ballot.
... Just not Harper?
It's too bad Ignatieff didn't work out and the Liberals don't have a more charismatic member like Trudeau, Mulroney or Harper because that's who the Canadian voter prefer.
The Conservatives are sending a message that Quebec will be dealt with an iron fist.
In essence Harper has written Quebec off which is their mistake.
The Liberals have to earn the trust of Quebec for them to get the majority and all they have to do is take on the Bloc the same way the NDP is taking shots at the Liberals.
Watch any political show in Canada when they have MPs from all three political parties. the Conservatives hardly talk because they got their NDP acting like a junkyard dog barking at the Liberals.
The Liberals have to do the same to the Bloc and show the people of Quebec that a Bloc vote is a wasted vote so Ignatieff has to think hard and decide what is more important being a working leader of the Liberal party or promoting his book.
Ignatieff better do it quickly before the Conservatives call an election because they may get the majority because they got the money and increasing poll in the Conservative favor and the most important God is on their side.
As Jed Clampett said once, "Keeerect".Wrong.
Reform was NEVER meant as a seperatist movement, rather it was born on the back of concern that Mulroney wasn't doing enough to tackle the debt and deficit (whilst he was trying to fix the constitutional mess). The motto of Reform was "the West wants in", referring to the fact that Trudeau had alienated westerners and Mulroney had taken for granted to a point that they had no voice in Ottawa. The socially conservative elements of the Reform platform never played well in Eastern Canada, but they started the "get rid of the debt and deficit" bandwagon before Chretien and Martin acknowledged it as an issue.
Mine either. I vote Indie anyway.He's not in my riding, so he won't even be on my ballot.
lol Sometimes I wonder if we wouldn't be better off without politicians period.I'm not much of a Conservative but I guess we could do a lot worse than having another term of Harper,,,,,,,he's sure saved us a sh*tload of money. :smile:
lol Sometimes I wonder if we wouldn't be better off without politicians period.
I'm more of a minarchist. Actually, so is hubby.I've leaned towards anarchism myself on occasion. Though I do not profess the christian Faith myself, I can't deny a certain attraction to Christian anarchism:
Christian anarchism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sometimes I wonder if we wouldn't be better off without politicians period.
As Jed Clampett said once, "Keeerect".
Mine either. I vote Indie anyway.
lol Sometimes I wonder if we wouldn't be better off without politicians period.
Like the Swiss version? You bet. I like it.Sаbine;1279682 said:Direct Democracy? :?:
*grins*Are we better off without boils?............:lol::lol::lol:
The Conservatives has a high rating because of their anti-abortion and gay policies.
Not enough to get a majority and we all have to remember that the surveys are done with less than 2,000 people
Well our politics will continue to be a total drab until we implement electoral reform and adopt proportional representation.
Well our politics will continue to be a total drab until we implement electoral reform and adopt proportional representation.
As if political parties aren't squeezing us tight enough by the balls as it is:x
What we need is non-partisan democracy:
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I guess that way we'd lose these political wing nuts that have nothing else of intelligence to discuss..................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
Hey, it's already been proven that that system doesn't work any better than "first past the post". You'll just end up with splinter parties having one or two seats, it won't change who forms the Gov't. :smile:
As if political parties aren't squeezing us tight enough by the balls as it is:x
What we need is non-partisan democracy:
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I guess that way we'd lose these political wing nuts that have nothing else of intelligence to discuss..................:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I take it Trotz must be a woman, because if she knew what it felt like to have your balls crushed by a soccer ball hitting them at full speed, she'd know that squeezing us tighter by the balls is not the solution. It hurts enough already.:lol:
Well our politics will continue to be a total drab until we implement electoral reform and adopt proportional representation.
I cannot believe that PR would be any better than what we have. What we do need is voters who read, think, and care.
Wrong.
Reform was NEVER meant as a seperatist movement, rather it was born on the back of concern that Mulroney wasn't doing enough to tackle the debt and deficit (whilst he was trying to fix the constitutional mess). The motto of Reform was "the West wants in", referring to the fact that Trudeau had alienated westerners and Mulroney had taken for granted to a point that they had no voice in Ottawa. The socially conservative elements of the Reform platform never played well in Eastern Canada, but they started the "get rid of the debt and deficit" bandwagon before Chretien and Martin acknowledged it as an issue.
And the "Hidden agenda" right? it's the Economy!-you know the ads where the guy gets the bonk on the forehead?
Scandal has not done it and neither have scare tactics.
Wrong when the Reform party started they wanted to be the western party in fact it was a PC member in Ontario I think his name was Chong who led a movement for the Reform party to come into Ontario because Preston Manning was against the idea in the beginning.
But Preston refused to budge on his decision not to run any candidates in Quebec.
No. You're wrong again.
Wiki may not be the be-all and end-all of sources but they give a decent write up of the history of the Reform Party
Reform Party of Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The biggest reason Reform never really tried to enter Quebec was that most of the people their policies would have appealed to, were already in the Bloc: when Mulroney's PCs fragmented, in the East a few stuck with the PCs, some went to the Liberals, in Quebec they went to the Bloc, and in the West they mostly went Reform. I guess your definition of "seperatist" is anyone who doesn't vote Liberal, Liberalman?
The biggest reason the Reform never bothered with Quebec is because of the separatists wanting to break away from Canada and this was a form of punishment as far as the Reform was concerned.
Another example of the Reform or Canadian Alliance disgust with Quebec is when they merged with the Progressive Conservatives at the policy meeting they set up tables for all the provinces delegate except for Quebec they just wanted those delegates to join the other tables and when Quebec people protested then the leaders grudgingly set up the tables for them