Arizona's Immigration Law

ironsides

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Here, lets put part of the law up.

S.B. 1070
C. IF AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES IS​
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CONVICTED OF A VIOLATION OF STATE OR LOCAL LAW, ON DISCHARGE FROM

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IMPRISONMENT OR ASSESSMENT OF ANY FINE THAT IS IMPOSED, THE ALIEN SHALL BE

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TRANSFERRED IMMEDIATELY TO THE CUSTODY OF THE UNITED STATES IMMIGRATION AND

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CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT OR THE UNITED STATES CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION.

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D. NOTWITHSTANDING ANY OTHER LAW, A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY

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SECURELY TRANSPORT AN ALIEN WHO IS UNLAWFULLY PRESENT IN THE UNITED STATES

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AND WHO IS IN THE AGENCY'S CUSTODY TO A FEDERAL FACILITY IN THIS STATE OR TO

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ANY OTHER POINT OF TRANSFER INTO FEDERAL CUSTODY THAT IS OUTSIDE THE

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JURISDICTION OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.

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E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON

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IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED

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ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

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F. EXCEPT AS PROVIDED IN FEDERAL LAW, OFFICIALS OR AGENCIES OF THIS

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STATE AND COUNTIES, CITIES, TOWNS AND OTHER POLITICAL SUBDIVISIONS OF THIS

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STATE MAY NOT BE PROHIBITED OR IN ANY WAY BE RESTRICTED FROM SENDING,

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RECEIVING OR MAINTAINING INFORMATION RELATING TO THE IMMIGRATION STATUS OF

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ANY INDIVIDUAL OR EXCHANGING THAT INFORMATION WITH ANY OTHER FEDERAL, STATE

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petros

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Yes bear this bill is well written. It's the Federal law I'm talking about. The business loophole is insane. No criminal checks, no visa, no greencard, just show up and pretend to run a business and you can live hassle free in the US.

Arizona has already been profiling and investigating people under the war on drugs so that point is moot.

I've got ten bucks that says if this law isn't shot down a private firm will be contracted to do the dirty work.

Govts can be held responsible for breaking basic human rights but good luck trying to go after a private company through civil courts.
 

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Just in case some would like to know what the new laws effect is having on all Americans.



License to frustrate: Get-tough ID policies could snag all Floridians

As immigration and security concerns mount, new rules for driver's licenses bring confusion and inconvenience

Michael Mayo
News Columnist
7:45 PM EDT, May 8, 2010
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No matter how you feel about illegal immigration, and no matter how much we want to protect ourselves from terrorism, the hellish bureaucratic scenes now unfolding at DMV offices across South Florida serve as a reminder: Be careful what you wish for.

Outside the Fort Lauderdale branch of the Department of Motor Vehicles on Thursday, I found a hot and bothered group snaked in line around a dismal strip mall. They clutched birth certificates, passports, citizenship diplomas, Social Security cards, paystubs, FPL bills, phone bills and bank statements.

All to get a driver's license.

"This is my fifth trip," said Rita Miller, whose purse was stolen last month.

"There's still going to be illegal immigrants and terrorists," said Scott Salberg. "They're just not going to come here to get a driver's license."

Said Paul Sendles, a British expatriate with a U.S. green card: "What's next? Are we going to have to give fingerprints to get a license?"

Many Floridians have been caught off-guard by a new law with strict documentation requirements that went into effect Jan. 1.

If you want to get a driver's license — including renewals and replacements for lost and stolen licenses — you pretty much have to show up in person at a DMV office and bring everything but your first born.

If you renewed online or by mail last time, you'll have to show up in person with the required documents next time. Doesn't matter how long you've lived in Florida or had a driver's license here.

Among the ID requirements: an original birth certificate [with raised seal] or valid passport; a Social Security card, paystub or certain tax forms [like a W2 or 1099] with your Social Security number; and two things that show your current address [like utility bills or a voter's registration card].

If it all sounds confusing, it is.

The new law stems from the 2005 Real ID Act passed by Congress. Fueled by national-security and illegal-immigrant concerns after 9-11, it compelled states to toughen up documentation requirements for licenses and IDs. States have until 2011 to comply, although many states have resisted and the whole thing could be ditched.

At local motor vehicle offices, three- and four-hour waits have become common. Many have been forced to make repeated trips if they don't bring all the right forms.

As I listened to some of the horror stories in line, I had one thought: As bad as this seems, I'm sure glad I'm not in Arizona.

Because if this is what people have to go through to prove they belong once every six years, can you imagine living in a place where authorities have the right to make you prove you're here legally anytime and anywhere?

Arizona's new law gives police broad powers to ferret out illegal immigrants based on "reasonable suspicion."

As I saw at the DMV, even native-born U.S. citizens can have a tough time coming up with the appropriate paperwork when they have plenty of notice.

Take the case of Laurie Green of Coral Springs, who has lived in South Florida for 10 years. Her driver's license was set to expire this week. She doesn't have a passport. When she learned of the new rules, she ordered an official copy of her birth certificate from Los Angeles.

That was in April. She still hasn't received it.

"With all the budget problems and cutbacks in California, they say it might take three or four months," Green said.

She stood in line on Thursday to get a 30-day extension on her current license. She doesn't know what she'll do if her birth certificate doesn't arrive by June.

"I think this is ridiculous," Green said. "It's just a hassle now."

One woman said the DMV clerk wouldn't issue a license because of a discrepancy between her birth certificate [which listed her full middle name] and her Social Security card [which only listed her middle initial]. She had to get her Social Security card changed, then make a return trip.

Joseph Carre came to make an address change after moving from Coconut Creek to Sunrise. His license wasn't set to expire until 2014. He didn't have any of the required documents and was turned away.

"This is a valid license! It's not good enough for a change of address?" he asked a DMV worker screening the outside line.

"No, sir," said the worker. "Not according to the Department of Homeland Security."

Sendles, the Brit, recalled how different things were when he first arrived in Fort Lauderdale as a yacht captain in 1997.

"First thing we did was come get our driver's license, then we got a temporary Social Security number so we could open a bank account," he said. "It's definitely not as free a society as it was."

Getting tough on illegal immigrants might sound good. But as anybody who's been to the DMV lately can tell you: We're all getting snared in the resulting bureaucratic web.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/fl-immigration-mayocol-b050810-20100507,0,7610189,print.column
 

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Where were those who cry about racial profiling now, when exactly the same thing gave unfair advantage to certain people, which was then called "affirmative action" or "equal opportunity"?
 

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Which federal body should issue a national ID? The United States of America or the private company called the United States?
 

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Where were those who cry about racial profiling now, when exactly the same thing gave unfair advantage to certain people, which was then called "affirmative action" or "equal opportunity"?
You're crazy aren't you?

Blacks weren't racially profiled and segregated prior to affirmative action? You forgot about the whole slave thing?
 

petros

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Which federal body should issue a national ID? The United States of America or the private company called the United States?
Executive order 12803 of April 30, 1992
57 FR 19063 / May 4th, 1992
TEXT: By the authority vested in me as the president by the laws of the United States of America, and in order to ensure that the United States achieves the most beneficial economic use of its resources, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Definitions. For purposes of this order: (a) "Privatization" means the disposition or transfer of an infrastructure asset, such as by sale or by long-term lease, from a State or local government to a private party.
(b) "infrastructure asset" means any asset financed in whole or in part by the Federal Government and needed for the functioning of the economy. Examples of such assets include, but are not limited to: roads, tunnels, bridges, electricity supply facilities, mass transit, rail transportation, airports, ports, waterways, water supply facilities, recycling and wastewater treatment facilities, solid waste disposal facilities, housing, schools, prisons, and hospitals.
Since the USA was dissolved for the benefit of the US (private company) would you accept the laws that come down the pipe from this private firm?
 

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Still not ID. Does your SIN/SS have an address?
Nope, but one can be imediately found through processing.

Birthdate?
Yep, through processing.

What system do you run a SS number through to verify?
You contact Service Canada, or the Social Security Administration. The latter has already identified their card numbers as de facto national ID cards.

Nope. Obviously not all that important apparently.

It's a form of ID used and accepted by Provincial/State/Federal agencies, across the board. To work, receive services or benefits in either country, you must have one. You're free to your opinion Petros, but reality dictates otherwise...
 

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Nope, but one can be imediately found through processing.

Yep, through processing.

You contact Service Canada, or the Social Security Administration. The latter has already identified their card numbers as de facto national ID cards.

Nope. Obviously not all that important apparently.

It's a form of ID used and accepted by Provincial/State/Federal agencies, across the board. To work, receive services or benefits in either country, you must have one.
It's still not ID without birth date and address. How many weeks should someone be held at roadside for SS inormation?
 

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It's still not ID without birth date and address. How many weeks should someone be held at roadside for SS inormation?
Like I edited in to my last post, you're free to your opinion Petros, but reality dictates otherwise...

Have a great day. :lol:
 

petros

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It's still not ID without birth date and address. How many weeks should someone be held at roadside for SS inormation?
de facto isn't legal. per jure is and SS is not per jure. Keep trying.

SS ranks right up with your library card as legal ID.
 

CDNBear

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de facto isn't legal. per jure is and SS is not per jure. Keep trying.

SS ranks right up with your library card as legal ID.
Dude, I don't know what to tell you. You like opinion over reality. Have at it, but you can count me out, I like reality.