The stratified heavens: the gaseous layers of the stratosphere?

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The heaven as mentioned in the Quran comes with many expressions and in many ways:
singular: heaven,
plural: heavens,
once the plural is mentioned then followed by another plural: heaven ... then heavens in the same aya,
and sometimes mentioned together with the earth: like "the heavens and the earth". Sometimes the heavens are mentioned before the earth: the heavens ... then earth,
and other times following the mentioning of the earth: the earth and heavens;

and for each of these there is its implication.
Generally: the heaven and heavens means one of three:
The gaseous heavens
The ethereal or spiritual heavens (kingdom of heavens or Paradise)
The material heavens (the planets together with the earth.)

The sky (or heaven)
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Well, you could have pointed out in your OP which one you meant and saved a lot of explaining. Obviously, if you mean the gaseous "heaven" it means the sky. A 3 year old could tell you that. Same for the solar system type "heaven". If you meant the spiritual "heaven", most theologians and philosophers would tell you it almost definitely isn't a physical place.
 

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I worry about people who want to spend eternity with a narcissistic psychopath, but hey! To each his own.
If it is to each his own how can you enter a worried state over it? As Atheists is there a certain number of time you can say God in a hour or day and should you surpass that number you become what you apparently hate the most, somebody who consistently talks about God.
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You got it right, he's been trying that for a long time. He even once said he was through with trying to enlighten us infidels after encountering so much mockery and skepticism and left for a while, but then he came back with more. Sometimes it's amusing watching religious extremists trying to pass off their religious texts as science, and he's not the only one here trying that on, as you can see in this thread. But there are disturbing parts of it too, like when people like them try to hijack the science curriculum in the school system with stupid ideas like creation science and the earth being less than 10,000 years old. Apparently there's no idea so dumb or provably wrong that nobody will believe it.
Dex have you not been keeping up on your Bible studies?

Most creationists believe in a literal six-day creation as described in the Bible, and an earth age in accordance with the scriptural genealogy, but not all. There are a large number of Christians who accept the scientific community's assessment of earth's age, and some have made alternate interpretations of the scripture in keeping with the evolutionary time line. There are at least three major camps of old-earth creation science thought; progressive creation, gap theory creation, and theistic evolution.
Progressive Creationism (Day-Age Creation) is an attempt to harmonize the Bible with current scientific beliefs. It assumes the days of the creation were actually broad lengths of time, and proposes that God separately created the various kinds of organisms and later man, but over a long period of time. It also accepts the evolutionary time scale (simple to complex over millions of years) but has more input from God. Hugh Ross and the Reasons to Believe ministry teach progressive creationism. Use the following to view a progressive creationist timeline chart.
Gap Theory Creation assumes that a vast period of time elapsed between the first two verses of Genesis. Most variations of this theory interpret Genesis 1:1 as the first creation, which included the creation of the heavens, the earth, plants and animals, and even a race of humans preceding Adam. Perhaps billions of years then elapsed, during which time Satan and his angels fell and corrupted the inhabitants of the earth. God then judged and destroyed the earth and all its inhabitants. Thus, the earth became "formless and void" (Genesis 1:2) and remained that way for eons. The second creation, according to the gap theory, began in Genesis 1:3 with the first day of the (re)creation week—the familiar six-day creation.
Theistic Evolution accepts the theory of evolution as the mechanisms for the development of life on earth from a single common ancestor. Some theistic evolutionists believe abiogenesis is impossible without a direct act of God, and others assume God created the universe in such a way that life would eventually result.
 

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This is the Science and Environment Forum. Am I misunderstanding your post or are you actually trying to pass off the Koran as science?
You aren't misunderstanding him. Yes, he is trying to pass the Quran off as a scientific tome.
 

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Hi, the family of the Sinisters :lol:
Bar, tell us the truth: are you the brother of Dexter ? or an alien? :lol:
So keep up your friendship with this Dexter, as will he keep saying to you: "you got it right here" :x
Your attempts at humor are neither funny nor intelligent. Your attempts at explaining science, on the other hand, ARE funny sometimes ..... but still not intelligent.

The Quran is higher than the science.
Then it should stick to its purview and stop trying to explain scientific matters.
 

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None may live to eternity; and Mohammed is not any psychopath; if prophets are psychopaths (while they taught the noble morale), then what will the atheists and disbelievers be?
Your god shows many psychological indications of having antisocial personality disorder so if there are humans that would wish to channel this pathology, their state of mental health is also suspect.
 

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She should have been able to figure it out from the clues I gave her (pressure and density). It's high school physics. The lower the pressure in unconfined space along with a temp above freezing, the faster the diffusion.

False clues it would appear'

(in part)
Well, the temperature of space is, at its coldest, just the temperature of the leftover glow from the Big Bang. This radiation, known as the Cosmic Microwave Background, bathes the entire Universe in a temperature of only 2.7 Kelvin. That's less than 3 degrees above absolute zero, or -455 degrees Fahrenheit! But there's also -- literally -- no pressure in space. So, what happens? Who wins? Does the water freeze or boil?
Oddly enough, the answer is first one, and then the other! It turns out that having a pressure vacuum will cause the water to boil almost instantly. In other words, the effect of boiling is much, much faster than the effect of freezing.
But the story doesn't end there. Once the water has boiled, we now have some isolated water molecules in a gaseous state, but a very, very cold environment! These tiny water vapor droplets now immediately freeze (or, technically, desublimate), and become ice crystals.

Water in Space: What Happens? : Starts With A Bang


When are you people ever going to give the right answer to anything? lol
 
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Your attempts at humor are neither funny nor intelligent.
I assume you mean 'intelligent humor' and neither condition being met rather than one single parameter being expected to cover more than one definition. It would appear your chastisement is in fact quite funny as it shows you to not be very intelligent when delivering a rebuttal.
 

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This was your original question.
Anna, in the chart just above your post it puts outer space as being above the melting point of water, is it true that it woulds stay liquid if some was tossed out of Sky Lab?
So this following bit, although true, is irrelevant.

False clues it would appear'

(in part)
Well, the temperature of space is, at its coldest, just the temperature of the leftover glow from the Big Bang. This radiation, known as the Cosmic Microwave Background, bathes the entire Universe in a temperature of only 2.7 Kelvin. That's less than 3 degrees above absolute zero, or -455 degrees Fahrenheit! But there's also -- literally -- no pressure in space. So, what happens? Who wins? Does the water freeze or boil?
Oddly enough, the answer is first one, and then the other! It turns out that having a pressure vacuum will cause the water to boil almost instantly. In other words, the effect of boiling is much, much faster than the effect of freezing.
But the story doesn't end there. Once the water has boiled, we now have some isolated water molecules in a gaseous state, but a very, very cold environment! These tiny water vapor droplets now immediately freeze (or, technically, desublimate), and become ice crystals.

Water in Space: What Happens? : Starts With A Bang


When are you people ever going to give the right answer to anything? lol
It is not odd that water would boil at almost 0 atmosphere and 0 degrees. All boiling is, is the rapid dissociation of molecules. You'd better go back to highschool and reintroduce yourself to a couple physics classes.
 

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Your god shows many psychological indications of having antisocial personality disorder so if there are humans that would wish to channel this pathology, their state of mental health is also suspect.
Any idea how many innocents Christians have killed/abused today so far?
 

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I assume you mean 'intelligent humor' and neither condition being met rather than one single parameter being expected to cover more than one definition. It would appear your chastisement is in fact quite funny as it shows you to not be very intelligent when delivering a rebuttal.
You ASSume too often, so your conclusions are usually idiotic, at best, and almost always are off-topic.
 

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This was your original question.So this following bit, although true, is irrelevant.

It is not odd that water would boil at almost 0 atmosphere and 0 degrees. All boiling is, is the rapid dissociation of molecules. You'd better go back to highschool and reintroduce yourself to a couple physics classes.
The question was what would happen to a glass of water, bottom line is you will find ice-crystals not water-vapor.
Boiling water dies not separate hydrogen from the oxygen, you can do that with a bit of electricity though.
 

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The question was what would happen to a glass of water, bottom line is you will find ice-crystals not water-vapor.
Wrong. You said nothing about glasses. I repeat your question; "Anna, in the chart just above your post it puts outer space as being above the melting point of water, is it true that it woulds stay liquid if some was tossed out of Sky Lab?" And by the time activity would have ceased the water/ice/liquid or whatever you want to call it would be diffused into its new environment. You should try quitting the attempts at spin. You are lousy at it.
Boiling water dies not separate hydrogen from the oxygen, you can do that with a bit of electricity though.
Who said anything about seperating molecules' components? I said molecules would become dissociated. That means they would separate from other molecules of water. Perhaps a couple courses in English to go with the courses in physics may help you.
 

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Wrong. You said nothing about glasses. I repeat your question; "Anna, in the chart just above your post it puts outer space as being above the melting point of water, is it true that it woulds stay liquid if some was tossed out of Sky Lab?" And by the time activity would have ceased the water/ice/liquid or whatever you want to call it would be diffused into its new environment. You should try quitting the attempts at spin. You are lousy at it.
Who said anything about seperating molecules' components? I said molecules would become dissociated. That means they would separate from other molecules of water. Perhaps a couple courses in English to go with the courses in physics may help you.
Hopefully a different teacher than the one you had since an evaporating liquid gets colder, not hotter. Evaporation requires expansion and it can take place before the boiling point is even reached. Bye
 

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Hopefully a different teacher than the one you had since an evaporating liquid gets colder, not hotter. Bye
Where did I say what temperature the liquid would be as it diffuses? Again, you display a poor ability in the use of English.
And you keep initiating this off-topic crap. Grow up.
 
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Where did I say what temperature the liquid would be as it diffuses. Again, you display a poor ability in the use of English.
And you keep initiating this off-topic crap. Grow up.
That is why there is a bye in my last post, as well as this one. lol Bye
 

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Thanks, that goes hand in hand with the NT giving us the info that that heaven may start at the surface of the Earth but everything above that is also part of the Heavens, the visible (home of created bodies, stars and such) and of beings (Angelic).

The gaseous heavens in fact issued from the earht itself.
Everything above you is called "sky" and "heaven".



It is quite possible that mutations that came from fallen angels from Adam to Noah had affected their wives to a degree that between then and Babel the races we have today were well established. It is also quite possible that modifications such as skin color and eye-shape is a result of adapting to different locations.

The variation between these races are not only in the shape or color, but also include many internal aspects like the Hemoglobin structure and the blood group.

Moreover, would the sons of Adam marry their sisters in order that the reproduction will continue; but the true thing is they married the daughters of the Chinese and the African near to them in their region.

Once you are past that you should come to the place the writer of Revelation was taken too after the 7 letters.

I trust the words of Jesus himself in the Gospels.

All mankind is supposed to be there at Judgment Day where they are introduced to a New Jerusalem that is some 200x larger than Ezekiel's temple

If there is a mentioning of a New Jerusalem at Judgment Day, then it is the spiritual ethereal one: because the ether world and the ethereal Paradise is the issue of the earth and its products: its houses, trees, cattle ...etc.

As in the Quran 26: 57-59
فَأَخْرَجْنَاهُم مِّن جَنَّاتٍ وَعُيُونٍ . وَكُنُوزٍ وَمَقَامٍ كَرِيمٍ . كَذَلِكَ وَأَوْرَثْنَاهَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ
The explanation:
(So We drove them [Pharaoh and his people] out of gardens and springs.

And treasures and a fair estate [in Egypt.]

As such, and We caused [the pious among] the Children of Israel to inherit [the ethereal image of all] that [in the afterlife.])

http://www.quran-ayat.com/
 

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I gather by the silence, that no-one's disputing my comment that the science in the Quran is a little screwy concerning Earth's envelope? (Much like its science concerning other aspects of the universe).