The stratified heavens: the gaseous layers of the stratosphere?

eanassir

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I guess NASA is blowing a lot of money and wasting a lot of time studying this "stability" in the stratosphere: http://www.nasa.gov/centers/dryden/pdf/88279main_H-1865.pdf
Gases can mix without any wind, too, BTW. It's called diffusion.
As for "heaven" being in the stratosphere: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahhahhahahahahahhahhahhahaa


The heaven as mentioned in the Quran comes with many expressions and in many ways:
singular: heaven,
plural: heavens,
once the plural is mentioned then followed by another plural: heaven ... then heavens in the same aya,
and sometimes mentioned together with the earth: like "the heavens and the earth". Sometimes the heavens are mentioned before the earth: the heavens ... then earth,
and other times following the mentioning of the earth: the earth and heavens;

and for each of these there is its implication.
Generally: the heaven and heavens means one of three:
The gaseous heavens
The ethereal or spiritual heavens (kingdom of heavens or Paradise)
The material heavens (the planets together with the earth.)

The sky (or heaven)
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MHz, would you explain this more, and its relation to the stratosphere region of the atmsophere ?
Just from glancing at your picture it would seem that winds would increase the hotter it got at the surface and that would act as a barrier to having very much a rise in global warming. Where those wind stop that would seem to be where Genesis puts the upper limit of how far flesh can go and consider it to be part of their home. Past that point is the realm of the Angelic hosts.

To explain what I said about the stability of the stratosphere and it is suitable to be the habitation of aliens (genies) whose bodies are created from gases (while their souls are formed, like humans, of the ether):
Angelic beings should be able to be found throughout the heavens, when in the appearance of a man they apparently have 6 fingers (if their off-spring is any example)

The reason for the turbulance of the troposphere (the air) is the sequence of its temperature: as we go up in this layer, it gets colder. This is like we put hot water in a glass then we pour cold water over it: the water will mix to become of homogenous temperature: currents of water will occur rapidly (like the air of the troposphere) which will lead to mixing of the water in the glass to become homogenous in temperature.
In reality that never happens because even the heat from the interior would still keep the surface rocks warmer than deep space so that creates winds all by itself without the heating during tha day and the cooling during the night. In you model cold and heat would have to be artifically supplied and a stable glass of water would never happen.

While if we pour cold water in the glass, then we pour the hot water above it, then the hot water will stay longer time at the top and the cold water will remain in the bottom and will not mix immediately: the water in the glass will be stable (this is like the stratosphere) which is stable without winds to mix its constituents: the cold at the bottom and the hot at the top.
My question would be why is there any rise in temp at all if the sun is eliminated as being a direct factor. The graph below your post whould not be accurate if these readings were taken in on the dark side of the earth.



This is in the Quran 23: 17
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا فَوْقَكُمْ سَبْعَ طَرَائِقَ وَمَا كُنَّا عَنِ الْخَلْقِ غَافِلِينَ
The explanation:
(And We have created above you seven passages [i.e. seven heavens]; nor are We heedless of creatures.)

So the “passages”, here, means the gaseous layers and who dwell therein, i.e. genies (or aliens.)

It means God created seven races (in comparison to the four human races) and made them to inhabit the layers of the gaseous heavens.


Genies (or aliens)[/quote]

The Bible doesn't cover this aspect in any great detail as far as I am aware. Heaven does seem to have a variety of beings as the 4 around the throne would seem to be somewhat different from an Angel.
 

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Just from glancing at your picture it would seem that winds would increase the hotter it got at the surface and that would act as a barrier to having very much a rise in global warming.

The first lowermost layer nearer to the earth surface is the Troposphere (or the air mixture where we live and breathe). This Troposphere is turbulent with the wind.

While the layer above this Troposphere is called the Stratosphere: it is stable and steady and calm: no winds there; the wind is only in the lower Troposphere; therefore the jet aeroplanes prefer to fly in this Stratosphere because it is calm and no wind or cloud is there and such planes fly above the region of the cloud.

Where those wind stop that would seem to be where Genesis puts the upper limit of how far flesh can go and consider it to be part of their home. Past that point is the realm of the Angelic hosts.

It seems from the Quran ayat interpretation that this Stratosphere is mostly the habitation of the aliens or genies whose bodies are created from gases.

This is in the Quran 23: 17
وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَا فَوْقَكُمْ سَبْعَ طَرَائِقَ وَمَا كُنَّا عَنِ الْخَلْقِ غَافِلِينَ
The explanation:
(And We have created above you seven passages [or seven waysi.e. seven heavens]; nor are We heedless of creatures.)

So the “passages” or ways, here, means the gaseous layers and who dwell therein, i.e. genies (or aliens.)

It means God created seven races (in comparison to the four human races) and made them to inhabit the layers of the gaseous heavens.


Angelic beings should be able to be found throughout the heavens, when in the appearance of a man they apparently have 6 fingers (if their off-spring is any example)

From the Quran ayat interpretation, it appears that the habitation of the angels is in the Paradise: the kingdom of heavens or the ethereal heavens (unless they are tasked with some duties to do in the service of God: like recording the deeds of man or seizing his soul at death ..etc); the angels are the inhabitants of Paradise now: they are formed from the ether and their dress, food and homes are of this ether.

It appears also (and God is the All-Knowing) that the ethereal heavens are outside the gaseous heavens; for genies or aliens went up to this ethereal heavens and touched it with their hands; to eavesdrop the words of the angels; but they were driven away by the stout angels and the meteors.

This is in the Quran 72: 8-9 where God told about the genies who believed in Mohammed that they said:
وَأَنَّا لَمَسْنَا السَّمَاء فَوَجَدْنَاهَا مُلِئَتْ حَرَسًا شَدِيدًا وَشُهُبًا . وَأَنَّا كُنَّا نَقْعُدُ مِنْهَا مَقَاعِدَ لِلسَّمْعِ فَمَن يَسْتَمِعِ الْآنَ يَجِدْ لَهُ شِهَابًا رَّصَدًا
The explanation:
("And [we had ascended up in the space until] we had touched the [ethereal or spiritual] heaven [with our hands] but had found it filled with stern guards [: angels] and meteors [under that heaven.]"

"We used [before the mission of Prophet Mohammed] to sit in some places [near] to the [ethereal heaven] to listen [to the words of angels]; but anyone that listens now will find a meteor in wait [to pursue] him.")


My question would be why is there any rise in temp at all if the sun is eliminated as being a direct factor.

This is because this Stratosphere include Ozone in large quantities more than all other layers; and this Ozone that makes such difference of the stability and the temperature getting higher (warmer) as we go up in this Stratosphere.


Genies (or aliens)


The Bible doesn't cover this aspect in any great detail as far as I am aware. Heaven does seem to have a variety of beings as the 4 around the throne would seem to be somewhat different from an Angel.

The Quran does not say anything about such four around the throne.
But the angels below the throne in the ethereal kingdom of heavens: some of them are under the throne and others are on the periphery outside the confines of the throne which indicates the throne is smaller than the ethereal kingdom of heavens.

The Throne
 

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It means God created seven races (in comparison to the four human races) and made them to inhabit the layers of the gaseous heavens.


Would you please explain the 4 races is a bit more detail. There isn't anything more I can add that is about the atmosphere.
 

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Would you please explain the 4 races is a bit more detail. There isn't anything more I can add that is about the atmosphere.
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This is the link about The Throne

The four human races

God - be glorified - had created three human races: the Black (African), the Yellow (Chinese) and the Red (Red Indians) races a long time before did He create the fourth white (Caucasian) race.

This is because the meteorites which carried the seed of life to our earth, came from four planets that had been broken up in the previous Doomsday, which led to the destruction of the previous solar system that had been before the present solar system.

Each meteorite of those four meteorites fell in one part of the earth, and God created a man and a woman as the father and mother of each one of these four human races in one region of the earth, then they intermarried between themselves, reproduced and filled the earth.
 
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This is the Science and Environment Forum. Am I misunderstanding your post or are you actually trying to pass off the Koran as science?
You got it right, he's been trying that for a long time. He even once said he was through with trying to enlighten us infidels after encountering so much mockery and skepticism and left for a while, but then he came back with more. Sometimes it's amusing watching religious extremists trying to pass off their religious texts as science, and he's not the only one here trying that on, as you can see in this thread. But there are disturbing parts of it too, like when people like them try to hijack the science curriculum in the school system with stupid ideas like creation science and the earth being less than 10,000 years old. Apparently there's no idea so dumb or provably wrong that nobody will believe it.
 

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This is the Science and Environment Forum. Am I misunderstanding your post or are you actually trying to pass off the Koran as science?

Hi, the family of the Sinisters :lol:
Bar, tell us the truth: are you the brother of Dexter ? or an alien? :lol:
So keep up your friendship with this Dexter, as will he keep saying to you: "you got it right here" :x

The Quran is higher than the science.
 
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Hi, the family of the Sinisters :lol:
Bar, tell us the truth: are you the brother of Dexter ? or an alien? :lol:

The Quran is higher than the science.
The Quran is an old book written by men to glorify themselves and to control a bunch of gullible people with no self confidence. It contains no science. It is metaphorical and not intended to be taken literally, just like the bible.
 

eanassir

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You got it right, he's been trying that for a long time. He even once said he was through with trying to enlighten us infidels after encountering so much mockery and skepticism and left for a while, but then he came back with more. Sometimes it's amusing watching religious extremists trying to pass off their religious texts as science, and he's not the only one here trying that on, as you can see in this thread. But there are disturbing parts of it too, like when people like them try to hijack the science curriculum in the school system with stupid ideas like creation science and the earth being less than 10,000 years old. Apparently there's no idea so dumb or provably wrong that nobody will believe it.

Hi Dexter, is Bar your brother and Shinto your cousin? :lol:
BTW, where is Shinto these days? :smile:

I didn't say the earth is less than 10,000 years; where and when did I say this?

Only I said its transformation from a flaming sun to an earth with a cold crust and hot core; this transformation lasted 2000 years, and the next 4,000 years were required to the crust becoming thicker and the mountains fell and anchored firmly on it.

All the process lasted 6.000 years (6 days of the days of the Hereafter).

But when did this process take place? It may be since a very very long period of time; 10,000 years? No, it is certainly longer and longer.

Formation of the earth

The throne of the Lord is ethereal and spiritual not material, and it was the answer to MHz.
 

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The Quran is an old book written by men to glorify themselves and to control a bunch of gullible people with no self confidence. It contains no science. It is metaphorical and not intended to be taken literally, just like the bible.


Keep up with your denial and with such repeated words until you will perish, and there in the afterlife, are you going to be welcomed according to your disbelief? :cool:
 

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Hi, the family of the Sinisters :lol:
Bar, tell us the truth: are you the brother of Dexter ? or an alien? :lol:
So keep up your friendship with this Dexter, as will he keep saying to you: "you got it right here" :x

The Quran is higher than the science.

No we are not related; and I have no idea what you mean by the "alien" reference. "Sinister simply means "left" in Latin. Thus Dexter Sinister means Left Handed and Bar Sinister means From the Left.

As for the Quran it has the scientific qualities typical of all religious tomes - namely none. Your comments should be in the Spirituality and Philosophy Forum.
 

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Keep up with your denial and with such repeated words until you will perish, and there in the afterlife, are you going to be welcomed according to your disbelief? :cool:
I worry about people who want to spend eternity with a narcissistic psychopath, but hey! To each his own.
 

eanassir

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No we are not related; and I have no idea what you mean by the "alien" reference. "Sinister simply means "left" in Latin. Thus Dexter Sinister means Left Handed and Bar Sinister means From the Left.

As for the Quran it has the scientific qualities typical of all religious tomes - namely none. Your comments should be in the Spirituality and Philosophy Forum.


The science should not be left for the "left": i.e. the Sinisters :lol:

Of course the Quran has qualities more than the rest of the available heavenly books: it is the word of God word by word and letter by letter: like the Ten Commandments inscribed on the stone by the might of God Himself.
 
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I worry about people who want to spend eternity with a narcissistic psychopath, but hey! To each his own.

None may live to eternity; and Mohammed is not any psychopath; if prophets are psychopaths (while they taught the noble morale), then what will the atheists and disbelievers be?
 

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This is the link about The Throne
which did not work in my reply #25
Thanks, that goes hand in hand with the NT giving us the info that that heaven may start at the surface of the Earth but everything above that is also part of the Heavens, the visible (home of created bodies, stars and such) and of beings (Angelic).
It is quite possible that mutations that came from fallen angels from Adam to Noah had affected their wives to a degree that between then and Babel the races we have today were well established. It is also quite possible that modifications such as skin color and eye-shape is a result of adapting to different locations.

Because of the expansion tales from those wives 'relatives' would have made it into the campfire talks as the fallen ones being the Gods in the various myths some hold as being real. lol no names.

Once we get past this hot expanding universe the void should present itself ......... being a void means there is not much to say about the place other than the Holy Spirit of God treats it like a kitchen.
Once you are past that you should come to the place the writer of Revelation was taken too after the 7 letters.
All mankind is supposed to be there at Judgment Day where they are introduced to a New Jerusalem that is some 200x larger than Ezekiel's temple which should mean the earth is expanded that much and the universe should stop expanding when it is that much larger than it is when God makes it disappear.

I like the concept, nobody is going to agree with it so you might want to judge the validity just on their reaction alone. It will even be more entertaining at any rate. lol

None may live to eternity; and Mohammed is not any psychopath; if prophets are psychopaths (while they taught the noble morale), then what will the atheists and disbelievers be?
Melted for starters.

Zec:14:12:
And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem;
Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet,
and their eyes shall consume away in their holes,
and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.