Why are tea baggers white?

SirJosephPorter

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"It is all over the news about Latino Americans and their distaste for Obama."


President Barack Obama enjoys a higher approval rating among Hispanics than among the general electorate, according to a new poll, but these voters could stay away from the polls in November if they feel there is little progress on immigration legislation.
The poll was commissioned by America's Voice, an immigrant-advocacy group that strongly supports overhauling immigration legislation. It was conducted by Bendixen & Amandi, an independent polling firm specializing in multicultural and multilingual political and market research, which has worked for Democratic candidates.
According to the findings, 65% of Hispanic voters said the president is doing an "excellent" or "good" job. Only one-third, or 33%, said his performance was "mediocre" or "poor."







Poll Notes Concern Among Hispanic Voters of Obama's Handling of Immigration - WSJ.com




You were saying ...

If Democrats are smart, they will use the Arizona law to mobilize the Hispanics, to rile them up enough so that they will come out and vote in November. It is always easier to mobilize people against something than for something (hence the rage, the energy displayed by the Tea Party, they are not organizing for something, but against something, against Obama).

So it may be difficult to get Hispanics charged up to come and vote in favour of Obama. But I think they could be easily riled up against the Republican Party, and could come out and vote in large numbers in November, It depends upon how well the democrats handle the Arizona issue.
 

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SirJosephPorter, there are few blacks at Tea Party events, because blacks have fullfilled their dream: no more racism, no more poverty, no more single black parents - all accomplished by a black President who will pay their mortgages, educate their (mostly illegitimate) children, make their car payments, buy their clothes and give them plenty of pocket money for other pleasures. This type of blacks was clearly tyified by the lady on the video in post #416.

To Republicans QUALITY means more than quantity.

To the quanity you brag about, reality will hit sooner or later, when they realize that their Saviour will not pay the mortgage, make their car payment, educate their chidre etc.
 

SirJosephPorter

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SirJosephPorter, there are few blacks at Tea Party events, because blacks have fullfilled their dream: no more racism, no more poverty, no more single black parents - all accomplished by a black President who will pay their mortgages, educate their (mostly illegitimate) children, make their car payments, buy their clothes and give them plenty of pocket money for other pleasures. This type of blacks was clearly tyified by the lady on the video in post #416.

To Republicans QUALITY means more than quantity.

So what you are saying is that black people are of inferior quality, whites are of superior quality (since mostly whites have a home in the Republican Party, very few blacks do).

To the quanity you brag about, reality will hit sooner or later, when they realize that their Saviour will not pay the mortgage, make their car payment, educate their chidre etc.
Blacks are a lot smarter than you give them credit for, they know that Obama won't be able to solve all the problems. However, win or lose, one thing is certain. Obama will again get overwhelming black support in 2012, same as he did in 2008, no matter who the Republican candidate is.
 

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"So what you are saying is that black people are of inferior quality, whites are of superior quality (since mostly whites have a home in the Republican Party, very few blacks do)"

I said nothing of the sort, in general terms, as you are Hell bent on putting words in my mouth.

I simply compared the lady on the video to some of the well-known Republican African-Americans.

"However, win or lose, one thing is certain. Obama will again get overwhelming black support in 2012, same as he did in 2008, no matter who the Republican candidate is."

Exactly! Probably most of those blind, racist and misguided folks who voted for OhBummer strictly on skin colour in 2008, undoubtedly will vote for him again, facts be damned!

You've just proven my point.
 

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Blame the mess surrounding Arizona's immigration law on congressional inaction.
WASHINGTON — Many in the media have written powerful and appropriate columns decrying the action of the Arizona Legislature and Gov. Jan Brewer in passing and signing a punitive law aimed at illegal immigrants.
If the law goes into effect despite promised constitutional challenges, local police in Arizona will be able to stop people they suspect may not belong here and require them to produce papers attesting that they are legal citizens. Jail terms for trespassing await anyone without the documentation.
The law is every bit as bad as others have said — but it is hardly a surprise. What has been missing from the current discussion is any apparent recognition of those responsible for killing the last effort at comprehensive federal immigration reform that would have headed off the need for this kind of punitive state action.
It was only three years ago that the action was stymied by a Senate filibuster and the impatience of Majority Leader Harry Reid to move on to other topics. At the time, Sen. Edward Kennedy, then as always trying to fix the broken system, asked what opponents of the comprehensive legislation that died in June three years ago, were in favor of. "What are they going to do with the 12 million who are undocumented here?" Kennedy demanded to know.
"Send them back to countries around the world? Develop a type of Gestapo here to seek out these people that are in the shadows? What's their alternative?"
Now we know. If it's not exactly "Gestapo" tactics, the Arizona legislation certainly smacks of police-state methods that inevitably will involve racial profiling of Hispanics, no matter what preventive measures the governor says she will take.
The bill that died had been hammered out over many months by a bipartisan group of senators, including both the Hispanic members of the Senate and both the Republican senators from Arizona.
But once the bill hit the floor, it was attacked from both flanks. The most conservative Republicans — Jim DeMint of South Carolina, David Vitter of Louisiana and Jeff Sessions of Alabama — led the assault. They were joined by some civil libertarians and allies of organized labor who were dissatisfied with its protections for guest workers. Democrat Byron Dorgan of North Dakota repeatedly tried to gut the guest-worker program before finally succeeding by one vote on his third effort.
With Reid showing increasing impatience over a debate that began on May 21 of that year, the Senate conducted three cloture votes on June 7 and each time came up short. Carrying out his threat, Reid pulled the bill off the floor, while Minority Leader Mitch McConnell protested.
"I think we're giving up on this bill too soon," McConnell said. "There are a number of Republicans who are prepared to vote for cloture as soon as they believe their colleagues on this side of the aisle have had a reasonable opportunity to have offered and voted upon amendments they think would improve the bill."
The next week, President George W. Bush journeyed to Capitol Hill and made a personal plea to Senate Republicans to renew the effort. More bipartisan talks ensued and the result was a second bill, this one adding a mandatory $4 billion border-security section to the previous provisions centered on tougher enforcement, plus a path to citizenship for the illegal immigrants already living here.
But when it came to the floor, cloture again failed, this time by 46-53 — 14 votes short of the 60 it needed. Democrats split 33-15 in favor of ending the debate while Republicans voted 37-12 to continue talking and amending, and the two independent members split.
That ended the last effort by Congress to meet the federal responsibility for managing immigration. The states — not just Arizona but all of them — are ill-equipped to solve the problem.
The blame for this mess rests with those who killed that bill.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/opinion/2011728443_broder29.html?syndication=rss
 

SirJosephPorter

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Ironsides, he says that law is every bit as bad as others have said. That seems to be the typical reaction. Only the Republicans have something good to say about the law (and not even all of them).
 

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"It is all over the news about Latino Americans and their distaste for Obama."


President Barack Obama enjoys a higher approval rating among Hispanics than among the general electorate, according to a new poll, but these voters could stay away from the polls in November if they feel there is little progress on immigration legislation.
The poll was commissioned by America's Voice, an immigrant-advocacy group that strongly supports overhauling immigration legislation. It was conducted by Bendixen & Amandi, an independent polling firm specializing in multicultural and multilingual political and market research, which has worked for Democratic candidates.
According to the findings, 65% of Hispanic voters said the president is doing an "excellent" or "good" job. Only one-third, or 33%, said his performance was "mediocre" or "poor."







Poll Notes Concern Among Hispanic Voters of Obama's Handling of Immigration - WSJ.com




You were saying ...

You must have missed this part...

"It is obvious from these results that if Hispanics feel that Obama and the Democrats aren't doing enough for immigration reform," says Mr. Bendixen. While they are unlikely to flock to the Republican Party, he says, "we could see a significant impact on turnout."

But many Hispanics say they are frustrated that Mr. Obama and his party haven't pushed for legislation that would put millions of undocumented immigrants on the path to legal residency. Meanwhile, the government continues to deport undocumented immigrants.

...as I was saying. :lol:
 

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"blacks have fullfilled their dream: no more racism, no more poverty, no more single black parents - all accomplished by a black President who will pay their mortgages, educate their (mostly illegitimate) children, make their car payments, buy their clothes and give them plenty of pocket money for other pleasures. "

LOL!
 

gopher

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0polls say lots goober
but pols neither put food on your table or keep undesirables out of your kitchen.


Yeah, yeah. But when Republicans post their polls which allegedly prove how Obama is no longer popular or that the world has suddenly become Republican, it's perfectly ok to post them.

Yeah, yeah.

Bottom line is that Hispanics will be the majority in another generation and they will vote Democrat. Get used to it.
 

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Bottom line is that Hispanics will be the majority in another generation and they will vote Democrat. Get used to it.
Many so-called "hispanics"(a term first used on the 1970 census during the Nixon administration) are citizens and vote Republican. Texas is one such example.
 

SirJosephPorter

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You must have missed this part...

"It is obvious from these results that if Hispanics feel that Obama and the Democrats aren't doing enough for immigration reform," says Mr. Bendixen. While they are unlikely to flock to the Republican Party, he says, "we could see a significant impact on turnout."

But many Hispanics say they are frustrated that Mr. Obama and his party haven't pushed for legislation that would put millions of undocumented immigrants on the path to legal residency. Meanwhile, the government continues to deport undocumented immigrants.

...as I was saying. :lol:

Well yes, but if democrats play it right, they may be able to rile up the Hispanics against the Republicans (because of the Arizona law), so that they get mad enough to come out and vote.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Yeah, yeah. But when Republicans post their polls which allegedly prove how Obama is no longer popular or that the world has suddenly become Republican, it's perfectly ok to post them.

Yeah, yeah.

Bottom line is that Hispanics will be the majority in another generation and they will vote Democrat. Get used to it.


Indeed. That is why the future of the Republican Party is bleak, regardless of what happens in 2010. Their base, white male is a shrinking demographic, blacks and Hispanics will eventually make up the majority and then Republicans may be reduced to permanent opposition. Unless they can find some way of attracting the minorities, which looks impossible as of now.

Indeed, it is already evident. California used to be a reliably Republican state. From Nixon in 1968 to Bush in 1988, California voted Republicans in every presidential election. From 1992 on, it has become a reliably Democratic state, it has voted Democratic every time since 1992 in presidential election. I think Hispanics are largely responsible for that.

Another state is Florida. It was also reliably Republican at one time; Obama won it in the last election. Same with states like Nevada, Colorado. These used to be reliably Republican states, but no more.

This represents the writing on the wall. Unless they can come up with some way of attracting minorities, Republicans are doomed in the long run.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Many so-called "hispanics"(a term first used on the 1970 census during the Nixon administration) are citizens and vote Republican. Texas is one such example.

Hispanics vote Democratic by roughly 2 to 1 margin. That is not as lopsided as with blacks, but still Democrats enjoy a huge advantage over Republicans.
 

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"Many so-called "hispanics"(a term first used on the 1970 census during the Nixon administration) are citizens and vote Republican"

As JP wrote above, they vote Dem by a roughly 2-1 majority with the margin increasing every year since the second Bush regime. The majority in Texas vote Democrat:


Will Hispanic voters end Texas Republicans' majority status? | Baker Institute Blog | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle


April 20, 2010

Will Hispanic voters end Texas Republicans' majority status?


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The Texas Republican Party today finds itself in the uncomfortable position of possessing limited electoral support among Hispanic voters, generating scant enthusiasm among Hispanics to participate in its primary elections, having virtually no statewide (non-judicial) or legislative officeholders who are Hispanic, and running a miniscule number of Hispanic candidates for statewide and legislative office.

At present, Hispanics account for 38 percent of the Texas population. By 2040, an absolute majority of all Texans will be Hispanics, and by 2060 an absolute majority of Texas voters will be Hispanics. Yet, not a single one of the 95 Republican members of the Texas House and Senate or any of the 22 members of the Texas delegation in the U.S. Congress is Hispanic. These numbers contrast markedly with the Texas Democratic Party, where 34 of the 84 Democratic members of the Texas House and Senate are Hispanic, as are six of the party's 12 U.S. House members.
Statewide, only one of the nine Republican officeholders (Railroad Commissioner Victor Carrillo) is Hispanic, and Carrillo will be leaving office next year after losing to political unknown David Porter in the March primary. Carrillo's defeat is largely attributable to the combination a lack of voter information about the two candidates and the tendency of Texas Republican primary voters in situations of limited information to cast a vote for candidates with Anglo surnames.
In the 2008 presidential election, two-thirds of Texas Hispanics voted for Democrat Barack Obama, while only one-third supported Republican John McCain. More recently, in the 2010 Republican gubernatorial primary, only approximately 15 percent of the voters were Hispanic. Even in heavily (90 percent) Hispanic Hidalgo County, just 38 percent of early voters in the Republican primary were Hispanic.
The presence of Hispanics among the ranks of Republican state officeholders will not improve following the November 2010 general election. Only seven of the 128 Republican candidates for the Texas House and Senate are Hispanic, and only one has a realistic chance of victory. In addition, none of the seven non-judicial statewide candidates are Hispanic. The situation is only modestly better at the congressional level, where four of the party's 32 U.S. House candidates are Hispanic. All are running against favored Democratic incumbents, and, realistically, the best the Republican Party can hope for is the election of one Hispanic congressman in November.
Lastly, the highly charged statements made over the past few years by many Texas legislators in Austin and Washington, D.C., regarding undocumented immigrants has contributed to a negative view of the Republican Party by many Hispanics, especially younger Hispanics who are at the most influential point in their life in regard to the development of partisan identification. These statements, which are viewed as anti-Hispanic by many Hispanics, combined with a virtual absence of Hispanic officeholders and candidates, have created an impression among many Texas Hispanics that the Republican Party is not a welcoming place for them as well as not a strong advocate for their interests.
In the short term, the Republican Party's majority status in Texas should remain unthreatened. But the Texas Republican Party is likely to find itself returned to its former minority party status in 10 to 20 years, unless the party improves its support among Hispanic voters via actions such as the adoption of a more moderate and realistic position on immigration policy and the recruitment of, and provision of effective support for, Hispanic candidates.
Mark P. Jones is a Baker Institute Rice scholar and professor and chair of the Department of Political Science at Rice University.
 

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People are individuals molded by many different criteria and influences. They are not like one ignorant arrognant know it all poster on this forum so presumptuously asserts. :lol::lol::lol:


Yup. See my link above - it confirms what I wrote previously. Republicans better shape up if they wish to remain the majority party in Texas and in other Red States.
 

SirJosephPorter

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Yup. See my link above - it confirms what I wrote previously. Republicans better shape up if they wish to remain the majority party in Texas and in other Red States.

Texas is one of the most reliably Republican state. Republicans will lose their majority in other states before they lose it in Texas.

But Hispanics could threaten Republican domination in much of the Bible Belt. In states like Georgia, Arizona, Florida, there is increasing Hispanic population. That is bad news for Republicans.

Which is ironic, since on social issues such as abortion or gay marriage, many Hispanics tend to be very conservative (since most of them are Catholics). If Republicans can ever get over their revulsion of brown skin, they may have a ready made constituency in Hispanics. Fortunately for Democrats, racism is ingrained in Republican Party, in white evangelicals, and is not about to disappear nay time soon.
 

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With the current (and for months to come) disaster in Louisiana, this could all be a moot point. If it's not cleaned up soon Obama will invariably be blamed for that too. After all it did happen on his watch. Apparently he recently switched from a reluctant attitude toward off shore drilling to an aggressive one.
 

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Well yes, but if democrats play it right, they may be able to rile up the Hispanics against the Republicans (because of the Arizona law), so that they get mad enough to come out and vote.

What some have seemed to forget is that these illegals cannot vote, and the Hispanics who do vote are not all in favor of blanket amnesty for all (they do not want to lose their jobs to this flood of new people). They have to go home and get in line like everybody else. Playing politics like you referenced has gotten and will get many more killed, and over what? We do not need any help from outside the country to rile up anybody. The Hispanics stand a better chance of making peace with the Republicans than the Democrats in Texas, Arizona, N Mexico and Florida. Democrats are to condescending and even a little more racist than the Republicans.
 

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By your undying defense of the fair prince of punditry, I call BS. You seem to care a great deal.Are you insinuating I hate Joey? If so, your insinuation is erroneous. I don't hate Joey, I think his posts are fun to play with. His posts, so teeming with pomposity and extreme views, based solely on a tenuous grip on reality.

His posts offer me such entertaining opportunities to expose their culmination limited critical thought, cognitive skills and objectivity. Why would I hate him or his posts?

Your presence is but an entertaining byproduct. Thank you.

Did it ever occur to you that SJP may be simply baiting you?